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I support calling it a "marriage" too rather than jus ta civil union.

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completely for it....

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i understand that some people don't agree with gay marriage because it goes against their religious beliefs and what they have been taught within their religions
however as some others have also pointed out aren't we supposed to have separation of church and state why should the catholic church (i am catholic) or any other religion dictate what laws our country enacts or does not enact
if gay marriage were to become legal in all 50 states how does that really effect you, you can still have your heterosexual marriage what is this taking away from you

and i really don't understand the sanctity of marriage argument, why is it no longer sacred because a homosexual couple has gotten married

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The main reason for "love" in a scientific sense is procreation. Homosexual relationships are "unnatural" simply because, by nature, there is absolutely no point for that kind of union. It is "abnormal" for man to be sexually attracted to another man.

possibly for the rest of the animal kingdom, but humans are separated somewhat from the rest of the animal kingdom by our ability to be rational (or irrational)

THat is indeed true, however I am not sure what this argument has to do with our discussion on "norm" in sexual attraction. Our sexuality has nothing to do with rational. It is instinct!

Men are attracted to women and visa versa because their bodies are designed that way in order to procreate. It is an instinct that nature gave us in order for our species to survive. If we are attracted to a person of the same sex, our instincts are going against nature because obviously that union can not produce offsprings. It is, therefore, "abnormal".

It seems to be a general consensus that homosexuals are homosexuals because they are born that way not because they rationally decided to lead that lifestyle. So, I don't think rational plays a role here. We are all animals when it comes to sex.

And as I've stated before, homosexuality in animals other than humans is well documented and does occur.

If we go by the "animal" and "nature" arguement, well then, marriage shouldn't exist at all. There are no other animals that practice monogamy like humans. Some animals will stay with the same partner for the mating season and to bring up that year's offspring (like penguins) but the next year they find a new partner.
So marriage is totally unnatural in the animal kingdom, and if we are animals and should follow the same rules as the rest of animals then adultery and polygamy should be accepted at "normal."

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My Uncle (who is one of 4 kids) has been in the longest relationship with a guy he met in HS (and they hid it for a long time). My mom and other uncles have all been divorced and remarried.

I also know of two other gay couples who are in some of the most happiest relationships I have ever known. So yes I am totally for gay marriage.

Plus in this day and age, what right does the government has to say that you cannot be in a relationship with who you love. They let these crazy drunk people get married in Vegas after knowing each other for a few hours, but you won't allow two people in a committed relationship marry?

I love how they say separate church from state, but this is such a glaring example of where that just does not happen. If a religion does not support, they don't support it. BUT that does not mean that a couple in love cannot have a civil union where they can enjoy each other benefits.

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I am all for gay marriages. Gay straight we shold all have the same rights.

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I am not for it. I am for civil union but not marriage, benefits beneficiary and medical, etc...

And don't ask me why. That's my opinion!

i am NOT for it, but agree with the PP that I am for civil unions, benefits beneficiary, medical, etc. etc. they deserve those basic rights.... but

I am not for it because marriage is between a MAN and a WOMAN and it has been since the dawn of time. the unity of marriage really at the end of the day, is to procreate and have a family. Same sex couples cannot do this naturally. Also, I believe in the religious aspect of marriage, which again presupposes that the union is between a man and wife...yes, i know that gets into the separation of church and state, which is why this is such an issue, but this is how i feel.

flame away....

Just to play devils advocate, what about couples that marry with no intention of ever having children? If the reality of marriage is to procreate, how is this different? Should their marriage not be accepted by whatever religion they belong to?

ETS: I'm not flaming you in any way shape or form, I totally respect your opinion.

I have the same thoughts. If a couple does not want to have children does that mean they should not be married?
If a couple is not Catholic or is atheist, should they not be married? Or my situation - we are interfaith, should we not be married? In your opinion should my marriage not be called a marriage but a civil union?

Same sex couples cannot have children naturally but then again some heterosexual couples cannot have children the "regular" way either - some couples have to adopt or turn to sperm donors just like a homosexual couple would have to do to have a child. Does this mean an infertile couple should not be married?

I am not flaming, I am just curious what your stances are on these situations considering your arguments against gay marriage.


I am 100% for gay marriage. I believe that love is love and anyone in love should be able to celebrate that.

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Well, I am not the government. I still believe a normal marriage is between a man and a woman. Does that make me an hypocric? Why? Because I don't agree with you?

No, not a hypocrite. But there is no denying that your belief, which, unfortunately, as of now, is adhered to by the majority of State governments, serves to restrict the rights of a certain group of people. Let's face it, no matter how many bells and rings are attached to "legalized union", it does not offer the same benefits to gay couples as marriage does to straight couples.

I don't understand, and I really don't mean to offend, this is more curiosity than anything else - if you have a problem with gay marriages, because you believe it is unnatural, how does that affect you? Why is it such an affront to allow gay marriage, even if it goes against what some 'believe' in? What is the real harm in allowing it?

ETA - I say this in comparison to the abortion debate. While I'm pro-choice, I can totally understand why people fight tooth and nail over this issue, and feel it is their, and the government's, duty to impose this belief on the rest of the Country, as many see it as protecting the fetus' life. But I just don't see how imposing your belief on a gay couple that wants to get married has the same implications - how does it have any impact on the way you live your life, or the way anyone lives their lives, for that matter?

I do understand your point.

I said it too in the abortion post. Everybody will have a different opinion.

Do I believe it will change my life? No. But I still believe in what I am saying.

Will I fight to stop it? Actually No. I just don't agree with it.

I am not opposed to thinking that one day I will change my mind. But not today!

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well, I think legally there should be no difference between a man marrying another man or a woman. I'm certain one day our country will look back on this argument with a similar view as we now reflect upon old laws blocking women's suffrage and the infamous jim crow laws. It's simply only consitutional becuase our gov't decided it should not outlaw denying civil rights to homosexuals (a major embarrasment IMO)

When you tranfer the argument to apply to a religion, I have a different view. Religious groups, IMO, have the right to sanction or deny any religious marriage they wish.

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I also question many men who hear the words "gay marriage" and immediately think of two men. What about two lesbians? Many men love to see lesbians together and joke about it, but two men are a no no? Its a hypocritical statement that annoys me to no end.

Sorry somewhat off topic.

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Just think of the economic stimulus! Stereotypical gay men are known for their outlandish parties. They would through one heck of a wedding! The wedding-related industry would single-handedly get us out of this recession.

A marriage is a business transaction. Yes, everyone wants to believe it is two people in love, but that belief has only really been in place for the last one or two hundred years. The "sanctity of marriage" was to bind two families together in a political/economic connection.

I equate gay marriage to a male and a female starting a business together. Nobody today sees a problem with women being a partner in a business, so why can't two men be partners in marriage? We shouldn't go back to not allowing women to own property or businesses, and we shouldn't be stuck in the same mentality with gay marriages.

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i see nothing wrong with gay marriage. if two people love eachother they should have the same rights as straight couples.