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MikesBride
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?

Posted by Jax430

Posted by Jacksmommy

So I called the town and they still let it occur and it doesn't matter if I sign or not - they just need a majority! I am not crying about it and obviously I will plan ahead, I am just saying that it was disrespectful. My friend next door actually said she wouldn't participate if I didn't because she felt that it was wrong but I told her to continue with it!



Sorry it worked out this way for you, and more so for your DS. It is entirely disrespectful, but just one of those things that we have to deal with as a minority.



It's just horrible that we have to deal with being marginalized and disrespected because there are so few of us Chat Icon

Posted 7/22/13 2:24 PM
 
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?

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It doesn't matter whether the blcok is a place of worship. It doesn't even really matter whether Jews hear celebrating on that day while in their homes.

What matters is that the organizers are in effect saying "The neighborhood will be getting together on x date. Jews--don't bother."

They might not mean to say it, but they are.

Imagine sending that message to any other minority group?




I don't think that's what was said I think a vote was taken and that was the day that worked for the majority.



I agree that it was probably simply the day that worked for the majority. They probably didn't delve into the reasons WHY such and such date didn't work for some families. They just picked the date that most people agreed on, no matter what the reason was. You don't know how many other families are of the Jewish faith, that are being "excluded" in your words. What is the guarantee that the OP would have or could have participated had the planner picked a different day? I don't see in this case why what works best for the majority is wrong.



Even ONE family (the OP's) being excluded because they fit the broadest definition of Jewish when there were other options is offensive. It's the "why" that makes it discriminatory-because they, like almost all identifying Jews worldwide, cannot attend a party that one day.



Offensive? WTF is wrong with you? What is offensive about having a block party on Yom Kippur.



It's offensive bc it automatically excludes the Jewish families. That's why. She told the person putting it together that it was a high holiday of the Jewish faith and she should consider picking other dates.
If someone said change the date bc I'll be in the Bahamas that's one thing. This is saying this date does not work for Jews so yes, they are excluded. No, having a party outside the home isn't wrong, but the roads are blocked and keeping her from going to temple, praying, having family over, etc.
Another date that is on a nonreligious holiday would've worked better.



I understand what you are saying, but maybe that date would have worked better for HER and not everyone else. And last I checked, a block party doesn't mean you can't leave the house. Plan ahead.



I know in our town, our roads may be "blocked off" but technically we have to let the homeowners and their vehicles in and out when they want. We have to keep any equipment/bouncers, etc. to the side for that purpose and so that emergency vehicles can get through with no problems. I don't know if the same holds true for Town of Hempstead.


And as far as picking dates go, we don't even give our neighbors (150+ homes) an option. We have a block party committee and we decide on the date.

Posted 7/22/13 2:24 PM
 

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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?

I don't think the organizers are trying to be disrespectful or discriminate against an entire religion. It's a PITA to plan and organize functions for a large group and they are probably trying to keep the majority happy. What if you are the only ones that can't do the 14th but there's 30 people that can't do the other date? I think they probably just boiled it down to the math! Is it in poor taste and insensitive? Yes - hopefully they won't make the same mistake next year. But I would think they are not trying to purposely eliminate an enitre religion from attending a party.

Posted 7/22/13 2:25 PM
 

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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?

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Posted 7/22/13 2:25 PM
 

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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?

Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon How are there still people arguing that this is not offensive??

Posted 7/22/13 2:26 PM
 

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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?

Posted by MikesBride

Posted by Jax430

Posted by Jacksmommy

So I called the town and they still let it occur and it doesn't matter if I sign or not - they just need a majority! I am not crying about it and obviously I will plan ahead, I am just saying that it was disrespectful. My friend next door actually said she wouldn't participate if I didn't because she felt that it was wrong but I told her to continue with it!



Sorry it worked out this way for you, and more so for your DS. It is entirely disrespectful, but just one of those things that we have to deal with as a minority.



It's just horrible that we have to deal with being marginalized and disrespected because there are so few of us Chat Icon



Why would you assume this is the case when it's most likely that it was simply b/c majority ruled? What if someone has a christening or other event on that day, and could not make it? Why wouldn't that person feel disrespected? What I am saying is, why take this personally when there are SO many other factors that likely come into play when the planner picked the date? As someone said above, if 45 families preferred that date over 1 or 2 families (whatever their reason) then that would be the date that would be picked. Why can't it just be that plain and simple?

Posted 7/22/13 2:30 PM
 

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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?

Posted by Goobster

Posted by MikesBride

Posted by Jax430

Posted by Jacksmommy

So I called the town and they still let it occur and it doesn't matter if I sign or not - they just need a majority! I am not crying about it and obviously I will plan ahead, I am just saying that it was disrespectful. My friend next door actually said she wouldn't participate if I didn't because she felt that it was wrong but I told her to continue with it!



Sorry it worked out this way for you, and more so for your DS. It is entirely disrespectful, but just one of those things that we have to deal with as a minority.



It's just horrible that we have to deal with being marginalized and disrespected because there are so few of us Chat Icon



Why would you assume this is the case when it's most likely that it was simply b/c majority ruled? What if someone has a christening or other event on that day, and could not make it? Why wouldn't that person feel disrespected? What I am saying is, why take this personally when there are SO many other factors that likely come into play when the planner picked the date? As someone said above, if 45 families preferred that date over 1 or 2 families (whatever their reason) then that would be the date that would be picked. Why can't it just be that plain and simple?



I think her point is that Yom Kippur shouldn't have even been considered in the first place. It's a date that would automatically exclude neighbors who are Jewish.

It would be like me hosting a block party on Christmas. No one would dare to propose that date. Why? Because duh, it's Christmas Chat Icon

I think many non-Jews overlook the importance of Yom Kippur. And I say that as a non-Jewish person... Even though I have yenta- tendencies. Chat Icon


It's mostly the fact that that date was even an option. It shouldn't haven't been.

A prior engagement vs a major religious day is different. Can't compare the two.

Posted 7/22/13 2:34 PM
 

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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?

Posted by EatingMyVeggies

Posted by Goobster

Posted by MikesBride

Posted by Jax430

Posted by Jacksmommy

So I called the town and they still let it occur and it doesn't matter if I sign or not - they just need a majority! I am not crying about it and obviously I will plan ahead, I am just saying that it was disrespectful. My friend next door actually said she wouldn't participate if I didn't because she felt that it was wrong but I told her to continue with it!



Sorry it worked out this way for you, and more so for your DS. It is entirely disrespectful, but just one of those things that we have to deal with as a minority.



It's just horrible that we have to deal with being marginalized and disrespected because there are so few of us Chat Icon



Why would you assume this is the case when it's most likely that it was simply b/c majority ruled? What if someone has a christening or other event on that day, and could not make it? Why wouldn't that person feel disrespected? What I am saying is, why take this personally when there are SO many other factors that likely come into play when the planner picked the date? As someone said above, if 45 families preferred that date over 1 or 2 families (whatever their reason) then that would be the date that would be picked. Why can't it just be that plain and simple?



I think her point is that Yom Kippur shouldn't have even been considered in the first place. It's a date that would automatically exclude neighbors who are Jewish.

It would be like me hosting a block party on Christmas. No one would dare to propose that date. Why? Because duh, it's Christmas Chat Icon

I think many non-Jews overlook the importance of Yom Kippur. And I say that as a non-Jewish person... Even though I have yenta- tendencies. Chat Icon


It's mostly the fact that that date was even an option. It shouldn't haven't been.

A prior engagement vs a major religious day is different. Can't compare the two.



I couldn't have said it better myself, and comparing Yom Kippur to a christening is exactly the kind of marginalization I was talking about.

Posted 7/22/13 2:37 PM
 

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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?

I honestly don't think this is something that someone can be convinced to change their opinion on, once they know all the information. People are either going to understand why Jews (and others who agree with us, based on this thread) would view this as disrespectful and insensitive and even offensive, or they aren't going to understand.

OP - I feel your pain. DH and I are in contract on a house in a not very Jewish area. It doesn't bother me in general, but from your post I can see why in some circumstances it may cause some tension. I think you were put in a truly tough position between compromising your beliefs and your ability to observe the holiest of our holy days in solemnity, and being 'that' neighbor or the bad guy on your block. What a terribly ****** position for you to be in.

I'm so sorry it turned out the way it did. Even though you already pointed out the date to the organizer, at this point if it were me (again JMO) I would sign, and then send another email to the organizer explaining that you would never want to take away from the rest of the block, however you really felt a bit disrespected by this and explain why. Ask (and it is not unreasonable to do so) that in the future days of major religious significance for ALL religions are taken off the table in terms of dates considered for entire block events. Best of luck!

Posted 7/22/13 2:37 PM
 

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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?

Posted by Goobster

Posted by MikesBride

Posted by Jax430

Posted by Jacksmommy

So I called the town and they still let it occur and it doesn't matter if I sign or not - they just need a majority! I am not crying about it and obviously I will plan ahead, I am just saying that it was disrespectful. My friend next door actually said she wouldn't participate if I didn't because she felt that it was wrong but I told her to continue with it!



Sorry it worked out this way for you, and more so for your DS. It is entirely disrespectful, but just one of those things that we have to deal with as a minority.



It's just horrible that we have to deal with being marginalized and disrespected because there are so few of us Chat Icon



Why would you assume this is the case when it's most likely that it was simply b/c majority ruled? What if someone has a christening or other event on that day, and could not make it? Why wouldn't that person feel disrespected? What I am saying is, why take this personally when there are SO many other factors that likely come into play when the planner picked the date? As someone said above, if 45 families preferred that date over 1 or 2 families (whatever their reason) then that would be the date that would be picked. Why can't it just be that plain and simple?



A Christening is different. It's the same as saying, "Sorry I can't make it we have a Bar Mitzvah that day." It is a religious celebration for one child that the family is attending or throwing. It's the same as a birthday party. If someone can't make it bc their child's birthday is that day it isn't wrong to still have a block party. It's wrong to have it on a high Jewish holiday that all Jews celebrate. It is on any calendar.

Posted 7/22/13 2:37 PM
 

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Would I be a really nasty neighbor?

Just reverse it. If a block party date was shopped around and it was settled on Christmas or Easter, people would be up in arms and wondering what the heck the organizer was thinking. Right?

This is no different in my eyes. Maybe I'm wrong, i don't know.

Like honey badger said before, I'm all for equality.

Posted 7/22/13 2:37 PM
 

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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?

Posted by Jax430

Posted by SlurpeeDad

Posted by Jax430

Posted by HoneyBadger

Posted by SlurpeeDad
Woah is me, woah is me.



One to grow on...

It's actually WOE. Not woah...

woe
/wo/
Noun

Great sorrow or distress.
Things that cause sorrow or distress; troubles.

Synonyms
grief - sorrow - misfortune - affliction - distress


Woah:
Common misspelling of whoa
whoa
verb imperative \'wo, 'ho, 'hwo\
Definition of WHOA
1
—a command (as to a draft animal) to stand still
2
: cease or slow a course of action or a line of thought : pause to consider or reconsider —often used to express a strong reaction (as alarm or astonishment)


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And if we're going to use it appropriately in this context, it should really be "oy vey." Chat Icon



Why would I say "oy vey."



I was being facetious. "Oy vey iz mir" is "woe is me" in Yiddish. So since you were making fun of those of us who thought the block party was unfair by saying "woe is me," "oy vey" would be more appropriate.



And since I missed it the first time you said it, I'm laughing here! Chat Icon

Posted 7/22/13 2:39 PM
 

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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?

Posted by Goobster

Posted by MikesBride

Posted by Jax430

Posted by Jacksmommy

So I called the town and they still let it occur and it doesn't matter if I sign or not - they just need a majority! I am not crying about it and obviously I will plan ahead, I am just saying that it was disrespectful. My friend next door actually said she wouldn't participate if I didn't because she felt that it was wrong but I told her to continue with it!



Sorry it worked out this way for you, and more so for your DS. It is entirely disrespectful, but just one of those things that we have to deal with as a minority.



It's just horrible that we have to deal with being marginalized and disrespected because there are so few of us Chat Icon



Why would you assume this is the case when it's most likely that it was simply b/c majority ruled? What if someone has a christening or other event on that day, and could not make it? Why wouldn't that person feel disrespected? What I am saying is, why take this personally when there are SO many other factors that likely come into play when the planner picked the date? As someone said above, if 45 families preferred that date over 1 or 2 families (whatever their reason) then that would be the date that would be picked. Why can't it just be that plain and simple?



I'm with the above poster. I don't think there's any ill intent. If this block party was going to happen every year on Yom Kippur, then it would be an issue of discrimination, but in this case, they may be limited with dates (esecially when it comes to vendor availability, etc..)

To the OP, are there many Jewish families in your neighborhood? Did you ask your friend if anybody else requested the other date because of the holiday?

Posted 7/22/13 2:39 PM
 

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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?

Posted by EatingMyVeggies

Posted by Goobster

Posted by MikesBride

Posted by Jax430

Posted by Jacksmommy

So I called the town and they still let it occur and it doesn't matter if I sign or not - they just need a majority! I am not crying about it and obviously I will plan ahead, I am just saying that it was disrespectful. My friend next door actually said she wouldn't participate if I didn't because she felt that it was wrong but I told her to continue with it!



Sorry it worked out this way for you, and more so for your DS. It is entirely disrespectful, but just one of those things that we have to deal with as a minority.



It's just horrible that we have to deal with being marginalized and disrespected because there are so few of us Chat Icon



Why would you assume this is the case when it's most likely that it was simply b/c majority ruled? What if someone has a christening or other event on that day, and could not make it? Why wouldn't that person feel disrespected? What I am saying is, why take this personally when there are SO many other factors that likely come into play when the planner picked the date? As someone said above, if 45 families preferred that date over 1 or 2 families (whatever their reason) then that would be the date that would be picked. Why can't it just be that plain and simple?



I think her point is that Yom Kippur shouldn't have even been considered in the first place. It's a date that would automatically exclude neighbors who are Jewish.

It would be like me hosting a block party on Christmas. No one would dare to propose that date. Why? Because duh, it's Christmas Chat Icon

I think many non-Jews overlook the importance of Yom Kippur. And I say that as a non-Jewish person... Even though I have yenta- tendencies. Chat Icon


It's mostly the fact that that date was even an option. It shouldn't haven't been.

A prior engagement vs a major religious day is different. Can't compare the two.



I don't compare them in any other sense than the commonality is that someone may not participate b/c they have something more important (be it a holiday, a christening, a birthday, etc). Not sure if it's true, but someone above said it's a Sunday and it's a 3 day weekend so that's why anyone who isn't Jewish would probably prefer that date. I would not expect that if that's what works best for most, that it be taken off the table if it's not an acceptable day for 1 or 2 families.

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Posted 7/22/13 2:40 PM
 

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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?

Posted by Goobster

Posted by MikesBride

Posted by Jax430

Posted by Jacksmommy

So I called the town and they still let it occur and it doesn't matter if I sign or not - they just need a majority! I am not crying about it and obviously I will plan ahead, I am just saying that it was disrespectful. My friend next door actually said she wouldn't participate if I didn't because she felt that it was wrong but I told her to continue with it!



Sorry it worked out this way for you, and more so for your DS. It is entirely disrespectful, but just one of those things that we have to deal with as a minority.



It's just horrible that we have to deal with being marginalized and disrespected because there are so few of us Chat Icon



Why would you assume this is the case when it's most likely that it was simply b/c majority ruled? What if someone has a christening or other event on that day, and could not make it? Why wouldn't that person feel disrespected? What I am saying is, why take this personally when there are SO many other factors that likely come into play when the planner picked the date? As someone said above, if 45 families preferred that date over 1 or 2 families (whatever their reason) then that would be the date that would be picked. Why can't it just be that plain and simple?



Because it's not just about one family celebrating a happy occasion like christening or birthday and therefore not being able to make it, it's about ALL Jews ALL over the world, fasting and atoning and paying respect to their dead on this most somber say of the Jewish year! It's pretty well known fact, or so I thought...

So even if there was just ONE family on that block joining all the other Jews all over the world in following their tradition on that most somber of days, it should have been taken into consideration...

Posted 7/22/13 2:40 PM
 

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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?

i never involve myself with these threads, but i have to. i read page 1 and 4 and i can NOT believe the people writing that this is not offensive!!!! I'm a reform Jew. I don't go to temple, i don't eat Kosher, i wear pants. BUT...i DO follow Yom Kippor. I fast for 26 hours. I don't take part in celebrations. I use a personal day for work, because it's notconsidered a holiday. it is THEE holiest holiday we have! It should be respected by all faiths and a block party should NOT be planned on that day. its hard enough to explain to Jewish kids we don't celebrate Christmas, but to have a block party going on outside their house and they can't partake is cruel.

i'm really angry about this thread. i take offense that people don't find this offensive. i am one of the most laid back people you will meet and this disgusts me.

Posted 7/22/13 2:41 PM
 

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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?

Posted by EatingMyVeggies

Just reverse it. If a block party date was shopped around and it was settled on Christmas or Easter, people would be up in arms and wondering what the heck the organizer was thinking. Right?

This is no different in my eyes. Maybe I'm wrong, i don't know.

Like honey badger said before, I'm all for equality.



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Posted 7/22/13 2:41 PM
 

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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?

Posted by EatingMyVeggies

Just reverse it. If a block party date was shopped around and it was settled on Christmas or Easter, people would be up in arms and wondering what the heck the organizer was thinking. Right?

This is no different in my eyes. Maybe I'm wrong, i don't know.

Like honey badger said before, I'm all for equality.



Actually, lets break it down even more. I gather that this poster's neighborhood is either mixed relgious wise or mostly Christian. So let's take what you are saying further. If I moved into a predominantly Jewish neighborhood and a block party was being planned on a day such as Good Friday or Easter Sunday, I would not expect the majority to chose another date for me if that date worked best for the majority. Why take this personally? As much as I might want to participate, I would realize this day worked best for the majority and I would not take offense.

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Posted 7/22/13 2:43 PM
 

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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?

Posted by EricaAlt

Posted by Goobster

Posted by MikesBride

Posted by Jax430

Posted by Jacksmommy

So I called the town and they still let it occur and it doesn't matter if I sign or not - they just need a majority! I am not crying about it and obviously I will plan ahead, I am just saying that it was disrespectful. My friend next door actually said she wouldn't participate if I didn't because she felt that it was wrong but I told her to continue with it!



Sorry it worked out this way for you, and more so for your DS. It is entirely disrespectful, but just one of those things that we have to deal with as a minority.



It's just horrible that we have to deal with being marginalized and disrespected because there are so few of us Chat Icon



Why would you assume this is the case when it's most likely that it was simply b/c majority ruled? What if someone has a christening or other event on that day, and could not make it? Why wouldn't that person feel disrespected? What I am saying is, why take this personally when there are SO many other factors that likely come into play when the planner picked the date? As someone said above, if 45 families preferred that date over 1 or 2 families (whatever their reason) then that would be the date that would be picked. Why can't it just be that plain and simple?



A Christening is different. It's the same as saying, "Sorry I can't make it we have a Bar Mitzvah that day." It is a religious celebration for one child that the family is attending or throwing. It's the same as a birthday party. If someone can't make it bc their child's birthday is that day it isn't wrong to still have a block party. It's wrong to have it on a high Jewish holiday that all Jews celebrate. It is on any calendar.



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I don't understand why so many people keep comparing this to birthday parties, Christenings etc. I didn't, in my original post. Like you said, open up a flucking calendar and look to see. And for the record, it is NOT a 3 day weekend. ACTUALLY the weekend before, is a 4 day weekend, which would have made more sense!

Posted 7/22/13 2:43 PM
 

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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?

Posted by IansMommy23

i never involve myself with these threads, but i have to. i read page 1 and 4 and i can NOT believe the people writing that this is not offensive!!!! I'm a reform Jew. I don't go to temple, i don't eat Kosher, i wear pants. BUT...i DO follow Yom Kippor. I fast for 26 hours. I don't take part in celebrations. I use a personal day for work, because it's notconsidered a holiday. it is THEE holiest holiday we have! It should be respected by all faiths and a block party should NOT be planned on that day. its hard enough to explain to Jewish kids we don't celebrate Christmas, but to have a block party going on outside their house and they can't partake is cruel.

i'm really angry about this thread. i take offense that people don't find this offensive. i am one of the most laid back people you will meet and this disgusts me.



Yup. I was actually asked WTF was wrong with me for saying that the result (not even necessarily the intention) was discriminatory and thus offensive. That's kinda apparently what we're dealing with here. Chat Icon

Posted 7/22/13 2:44 PM
 

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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?

Posted by Chatham-Chick

Posted by Goobster

Posted by MikesBride

Posted by Jax430

Posted by Jacksmommy

So I called the town and they still let it occur and it doesn't matter if I sign or not - they just need a majority! I am not crying about it and obviously I will plan ahead, I am just saying that it was disrespectful. My friend next door actually said she wouldn't participate if I didn't because she felt that it was wrong but I told her to continue with it!



Sorry it worked out this way for you, and more so for your DS. It is entirely disrespectful, but just one of those things that we have to deal with as a minority.



It's just horrible that we have to deal with being marginalized and disrespected because there are so few of us Chat Icon



Why would you assume this is the case when it's most likely that it was simply b/c majority ruled? What if someone has a christening or other event on that day, and could not make it? Why wouldn't that person feel disrespected? What I am saying is, why take this personally when there are SO many other factors that likely come into play when the planner picked the date? As someone said above, if 45 families preferred that date over 1 or 2 families (whatever their reason) then that would be the date that would be picked. Why can't it just be that plain and simple?



I'm with the above poster. I don't think there's any ill intent. If this block party was going to happen every year on Yom Kippur, then it would be an issue of discrimination, but in this case, they may be limited with dates (esecially when it comes to vendor availability, etc..)

To the OP, are there many Jewish families in your neighborhood? Did you ask your friend if anybody else requested the other date because of the holiday?



I like you as a poster. So please don't take this the wrong way. But it doesn't and shouldn't matter if there is a high percentage of Jews or 1 family who is Jewish in the Neighborhood

But that's just my opinion. Not saying I'm right.

Posted 7/22/13 2:44 PM
 

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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?

Posted by Jacksmommy

I don't understand why so many people keep comparing this to birthday parties, Christenings etc. I didn't, in my original post. Like you said, open up a flucking calendar and look to see. And for the record, it is NOT a 3 day weekend. ACTUALLY the weekend before, is a 4 day weekend, which would have made more sense!



I didn't look, just was going by what another poster said. Yes, that's weird but who knows? Not sure how all the dates fall but maybe people didn't want it the first weekend back to school?

Message edited 7/22/2013 2:46:16 PM.

Posted 7/22/13 2:45 PM
 

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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?

Posted by IansMommy23

i never involve myself with these threads, but i have to. i read page 1 and 4 and i can NOT believe the people writing that this is not offensive!!!! I'm a reform Jew. I don't go to temple, i don't eat Kosher, i wear pants. BUT...i DO follow Yom Kippor. I fast for 26 hours. I don't take part in celebrations. I use a personal day for work, because it's notconsidered a holiday. it is THEE holiest holiday we have! It should be respected by all faiths and a block party should NOT be planned on that day. its hard enough to explain to Jewish kids we don't celebrate Christmas, but to have a block party going on outside their house and they can't partake is cruel.

i'm really angry about this thread. i take offense that people don't find this offensive. i am one of the most laid back people you will meet and this disgusts me.



I agree. I grew up in a neighborhood that was not religious and I still remember the feeling I felt when I was younger watching kids ride their bikes when I had to be inside with no tv, music etc. I know my son is going to be upset and think he is being punished!

Posted 7/22/13 2:46 PM
 

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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?

Posted by Goobster

Posted by EatingMyVeggies

Just reverse it. If a block party date was shopped around and it was settled on Christmas or Easter, people would be up in arms and wondering what the heck the organizer was thinking. Right?

This is no different in my eyes. Maybe I'm wrong, i don't know.

Like honey badger said before, I'm all for equality.



Actually, lets break it down even more. I gather that this poster's neighborhood is either mixed relgious wise or mostly Christian. So let's take what you are saying further. If I moved into a predominantly Jewish neighborhood and a block party was being planned on a day such as Good Friday or Easter Sunday, I would not expect the majority to chose another date for me if that date worked best for the majority. Why take this personally? As much as I might want to participate, I would realize this day worked best for the majority and I would not take offense.



I guess to me , the whole point of a block party is to come together and have fun. It shouldn't matter who moves into what neighborhood or who is of what predominant faith. Maybe I read too much jnto things, but we are all segregated enough as it is on LI with race and religion. Why add to that even more with a simple block party date that is excluding a family ?

I would feel awful. I couldn't do that if I were the organizer. No way. I wouldn't want any family to feel I'm belittling their religious day because the majority preferred another day. I just couldn't. I'd want everyone to have a fair date.

And yeah, I would expect the same if I were to move into a Jewish community. It shows tolerance and mostly - respect.

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I say this all respectfully too. I'm just sharing my view on it. No one has to agree n that's fine.

Message edited 7/22/2013 2:55:15 PM.

Posted 7/22/13 2:51 PM
 

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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?

I think this thread has reached the point where everyone needs to agree that they disagree. Chat Icon

This conversation isn't going anywhere but in circles and I'm getting a little dizzy from it. Chat Icon

It's a shame that the OP and her family can't participate in the block party.

It's a shame that the hosts of said block party couldn't come up with a mutually beneficial date for everyone to agree on.

To see this turn into a debate on what's more important is kind of silly because everyone is going to have a different opinion and idea of what's more important to them and going on and on about what they think or believe isn't going to change anyone else's mind so why waste your time trying?

Lets move on to another topic and start more drama there!

Posted 7/22/13 2:52 PM
 
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