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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
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Just reverse it. If a block party date was shopped around and it was settled on Christmas or Easter, people would be up in arms and wondering what the heck the organizer was thinking. Right?
This is no different in my eyes. Maybe I'm wrong, i don't know.
Like honey badger said before, I'm all for equality.
Actually, lets break it down even more. I gather that this poster's neighborhood is either mixed relgious wise or mostly Christian. So let's take what you are saying further. If I moved into a predominantly Jewish neighborhood and a block party was being planned on a day such as Good Friday or Easter Sunday, I would not expect the majority to chose another date for me if that date worked best for the majority. Why take this personally? As much as I might want to participate, I would realize this day worked best for the majority and I would not take offense.
I was just about to post almost exactly the same thing. If I moved to Israel tomorrow and my neighbors planned a block party on Good Friday, I would wish them a nice time and spend the day as I see fit.
ETA: I do think it sucks that the party happened to fall on this day for the OP's family. Hopefully next year it will work out better for them.
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
Posted by HoneyBadger
I think this thread has reached the point where everyone needs to agree that they disagree. 
This conversation isn't going anywhere but in circles and I'm getting a little dizzy from it. 
It's a shame that the OP and her family can't participate in the block party.
It's a shame that the hosts of said block party couldn't come up with a mutually beneficial date for everyone to agree on.
To see this turn into a debate on what's more important is kind of silly because everyone is going to have a different opinion and idea of what's more important to them and going on and on about what they think or believe isn't going to change anyone else's mind so why waste your time trying?
Lets move on to another topic and start more drama there!
i agree this isnt going to go anywhere, but it sheds a light on how some people don't understand how important some things are to other religions.
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
Posted by BunnyWife
Posted by Goobster
Posted by EatingMyVeggies
Just reverse it. If a block party date was shopped around and it was settled on Christmas or Easter, people would be up in arms and wondering what the heck the organizer was thinking. Right?
This is no different in my eyes. Maybe I'm wrong, i don't know.
Like honey badger said before, I'm all for equality.
Actually, lets break it down even more. I gather that this poster's neighborhood is either mixed relgious wise or mostly Christian. So let's take what you are saying further. If I moved into a predominantly Jewish neighborhood and a block party was being planned on a day such as Good Friday or Easter Sunday, I would not expect the majority to chose another date for me if that date worked best for the majority. Why take this personally? As much as I might want to participate, I would realize this day worked best for the majority and I would not take offense.
I was just about to post almost exactly the same thing. If I moved to Israel tomorrow and my neighbors planned a block party on Good Friday, I would wish them a nice time and spend the day as I see fit.
ETA: I do think it sucks that the party happened to fall on this day for the OP's family. Hopefully next year it will work out better for them.
I have to respectfully disagree (and I do mean respectfully cuz I like you )
The better analogy would be between Israel and living in Vatican City. Israel is, and is advertised as, a JEWISH state. There is not a separation of 'church' (or shul) and state, whereas this country is supposed to be a secular one where all religions are celebrated equally. So unfortunately I don't think this is the best analogy.
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
As an atheist I'm shocked how little respect the Jewish faith is getting here.
I think it's sad and disgusting.
Shame on the TOH for approving this day!!!
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
Posted by Chatham-Chick
I know in our town, majority wins, so even if some of the neighbors refuse to sign, the party still goes on. And we do get a number of neighbors who begrudgingly sign our request form (we always inform them they are not obligated by any means, but I guess they feel better being vocal about it.)
And as the planner for the block party, we do take holidays and other major events into consideration and I don't think the weekend of Yom Kippur would even be an option.
I understand your feelings, but if my neighborhood decided to have the block party on a day that I could not participate, regardless of the reason, I wouldn't begrudge them.
I agree with this. I'd also work on breaking the fast somewhere else other than my house.
And I'd be damn sure to be on the planning committee next year so it didn't happen.
I'm just wondering for those that don't see this as a big deal,
Let's say one of the days was Sept. 11th with 1 or 2 families of those that perished on the block on that day in 2001. Is it disrespectful to have that date as option? It's a day of reflection for them but only affects a few families, right?
edited to add: FTR, I was raised Catholic & I can completely see why the OP is hurt - ESPECIALLY after explaining the reasons with her response. I was horrified that the PTA had planned movie day for a high holy day too. I even emailed them to make them aware of it & they changed the date & sent out an apology email. THE PTA. Have you ever been involved in a PTA? If they can see how stupid is to plan a community event - and more importantly AGREE that it was insensitive, I'm floored that your block's committee can't!
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
Posted by MRsFaTThead
As an atheist I'm shocked how little respect the Jewish faith is getting here.
I think it's sad and disgusting.
Shame on the TOH for approving this day!!!
thank you!
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Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
Ps I have the loveliest neighbors ever. They are amazing. Shoveled out my driveway in snow because I was all alone with two kids in my home I couldn't leave. If I had to plan a block party and the date landed on some important date for them (because they are of different faith than me), I'd change it - no question about it.
It's all about a sense of community to me. No one excluded for different religion / even if they are the one on the block. Couldn't do it.
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
Posted by MandJZ
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Posted by Goobster
Posted by EatingMyVeggies
Just reverse it. If a block party date was shopped around and it was settled on Christmas or Easter, people would be up in arms and wondering what the heck the organizer was thinking. Right?
This is no different in my eyes. Maybe I'm wrong, i don't know.
Like honey badger said before, I'm all for equality.
Actually, lets break it down even more. I gather that this poster's neighborhood is either mixed relgious wise or mostly Christian. So let's take what you are saying further. If I moved into a predominantly Jewish neighborhood and a block party was being planned on a day such as Good Friday or Easter Sunday, I would not expect the majority to chose another date for me if that date worked best for the majority. Why take this personally? As much as I might want to participate, I would realize this day worked best for the majority and I would not take offense.
I was just about to post almost exactly the same thing. If I moved to Israel tomorrow and my neighbors planned a block party on Good Friday, I would wish them a nice time and spend the day as I see fit.
ETA: I do think it sucks that the party happened to fall on this day for the OP's family. Hopefully next year it will work out better for them.
I have to respectfully disagree (and I do mean respectfully cuz I like you )
The better analogy would be between Israel and living in Vatican City. Israel is, and is advertised as, a JEWISH state. There is not a separation of 'church' (or shul) and state, whereas this country is supposed to be a secular one where all religions are celebrated equally. So unfortunately I don't think this is the best analogy.
OK, you got me there  I primarily Jewish hood would have been a better analogy.
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
Posted by BunnyWife
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Posted by BunnyWife
Posted by Goobster
Posted by EatingMyVeggies
Just reverse it. If a block party date was shopped around and it was settled on Christmas or Easter, people would be up in arms and wondering what the heck the organizer was thinking. Right?
This is no different in my eyes. Maybe I'm wrong, i don't know.
Like honey badger said before, I'm all for equality.
Actually, lets break it down even more. I gather that this poster's neighborhood is either mixed relgious wise or mostly Christian. So let's take what you are saying further. If I moved into a predominantly Jewish neighborhood and a block party was being planned on a day such as Good Friday or Easter Sunday, I would not expect the majority to chose another date for me if that date worked best for the majority. Why take this personally? As much as I might want to participate, I would realize this day worked best for the majority and I would not take offense.
I was just about to post almost exactly the same thing. If I moved to Israel tomorrow and my neighbors planned a block party on Good Friday, I would wish them a nice time and spend the day as I see fit.
ETA: I do think it sucks that the party happened to fall on this day for the OP's family. Hopefully next year it will work out better for them.
I have to respectfully disagree (and I do mean respectfully cuz I like you )
The better analogy would be between Israel and living in Vatican City. Israel is, and is advertised as, a JEWISH state. There is not a separation of 'church' (or shul) and state, whereas this country is supposed to be a secular one where all religions are celebrated equally. So unfortunately I don't think this is the best analogy.
OK, you got me there I primarily Jewish hood would have been a better analogy.
So trade Isreal for one of the 5 towns.
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
Posted by alli3131
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Posted by BunnyWife
Posted by Goobster
Posted by EatingMyVeggies
Just reverse it. If a block party date was shopped around and it was settled on Christmas or Easter, people would be up in arms and wondering what the heck the organizer was thinking. Right?
This is no different in my eyes. Maybe I'm wrong, i don't know.
Like honey badger said before, I'm all for equality.
Actually, lets break it down even more. I gather that this poster's neighborhood is either mixed relgious wise or mostly Christian. So let's take what you are saying further. If I moved into a predominantly Jewish neighborhood and a block party was being planned on a day such as Good Friday or Easter Sunday, I would not expect the majority to chose another date for me if that date worked best for the majority. Why take this personally? As much as I might want to participate, I would realize this day worked best for the majority and I would not take offense.
I was just about to post almost exactly the same thing. If I moved to Israel tomorrow and my neighbors planned a block party on Good Friday, I would wish them a nice time and spend the day as I see fit.
ETA: I do think it sucks that the party happened to fall on this day for the OP's family. Hopefully next year it will work out better for them.
I have to respectfully disagree (and I do mean respectfully cuz I like you )
The better analogy would be between Israel and living in Vatican City. Israel is, and is advertised as, a JEWISH state. There is not a separation of 'church' (or shul) and state, whereas this country is supposed to be a secular one where all religions are celebrated equally. So unfortunately I don't think this is the best analogy.
OK, you got me there I primarily Jewish hood would have been a better analogy.
So trade Isreal for one of the 5 towns.
My ILs live in the 5 towns and I have never seen or heard of an event on a major Christian or Catholic holiday.
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OP - if there's a block party in my area this year, you and your kids are more than welcome to be my guests ! That way your DC will have some fun and I can make some margaritas. I will FM you if it gets organized :)
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
Posted by MandJZ
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Posted by BunnyWife
Posted by Goobster
Posted by EatingMyVeggies
Just reverse it. If a block party date was shopped around and it was settled on Christmas or Easter, people would be up in arms and wondering what the heck the organizer was thinking. Right?
This is no different in my eyes. Maybe I'm wrong, i don't know.
Like honey badger said before, I'm all for equality.
Actually, lets break it down even more. I gather that this poster's neighborhood is either mixed relgious wise or mostly Christian. So let's take what you are saying further. If I moved into a predominantly Jewish neighborhood and a block party was being planned on a day such as Good Friday or Easter Sunday, I would not expect the majority to chose another date for me if that date worked best for the majority. Why take this personally? As much as I might want to participate, I would realize this day worked best for the majority and I would not take offense.
I was just about to post almost exactly the same thing. If I moved to Israel tomorrow and my neighbors planned a block party on Good Friday, I would wish them a nice time and spend the day as I see fit.
ETA: I do think it sucks that the party happened to fall on this day for the OP's family. Hopefully next year it will work out better for them.
I have to respectfully disagree (and I do mean respectfully cuz I like you )
The better analogy would be between Israel and living in Vatican City. Israel is, and is advertised as, a JEWISH state. There is not a separation of 'church' (or shul) and state, whereas this country is supposed to be a secular one where all religions are celebrated equally. So unfortunately I don't think this is the best analogy.
OK, you got me there I primarily Jewish hood would have been a better analogy.
So trade Isreal for one of the 5 towns.
If people in the Five Towns purported to have a block party in which the whole block was invited and welcome to come and then made it impossible for Christians to attend, it would show their inorance/disregard/disrrespect/animus, depending on whether they knew it was a holiday or not. Simple.
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
Posted by HoneyBadger
I think this thread has reached the point where everyone needs to agree that they disagree.
This conversation isn't going anywhere but in circles and I'm getting a little dizzy from it.
It's a shame that the OP and her family can't participate in the block party.
It's a shame that the hosts of said block party couldn't come up with a mutually beneficial date for everyone to agree on.
To see this turn into a debate on what's more important is kind of silly because everyone is going to have a different opinion and idea of what's more important to them and going on and on about what they think or believe isn't going to change anyone else's mind so why waste your time trying?
Lets move on to another topic and start more drama there!
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
Posted by HoneyBadger
I think this thread has reached the point where everyone needs to agree that they disagree.
This conversation isn't going anywhere but in circles and I'm getting a little dizzy from it.
It's a shame that the OP and her family can't participate in the block party.
It's a shame that the hosts of said block party couldn't come up with a mutually beneficial date for everyone to agree on.
To see this turn into a debate on what's more important is kind of silly because everyone is going to have a different opinion and idea of what's more important to them and going on and on about what they think or believe isn't going to change anyone else's mind so why waste your time trying?
Lets move on to another topic and start more drama there!
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
Posted by MrsDeVito
To most Christians, it SEEMS that X-Mas and Easter are a time for fun and joy and games and candy and family. (Please correct me if I am wrong). It would not be offensive if the Jewish neighbors had a party. YOUR holidays are (mostly) not about quiet reflection.
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Having a block party and walking into a church during mass with music blasting are a bit different. Also your comment about our holidays being about games and candy is one of the rudest things I have ever read on this site.
It was really a VERY poorly written paragraph, and I was wrong. What I was trying to say is that they are joyful holidays full of laughter, friends, music, joy, games, family, fun, faith, and yes candy. (BTW, Passover is all about the candy)
I conveyed my point poorly. I was trying to get that these holidays have more than just quiet reflection. So to have a block party outside would not be as disrespectful as having a block party outside a home that is quiet, reflective, and somber.
I apologize that my comment came out the wrong way.
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Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
It's so disrespectful to have the block party on this day (and has been said, should never have been an option in the first place). I am baffled at others not seeing it so. And for the record, it is not a 3-day weekend for schools.
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
Im going to make one last point, then let it go.
To all of you who say "I would not mind if there was X on Easter,"
That is a fair statement.
What we ,as Jews are TRYING to convey to you is this:
For the most part, no one would schedule X event on Easter or X-mas. So it really is not a fair analogy.
As a christian you probably never had had to give up partys, and back to school events, and block partys, and recitals, and work (short of taking off for Good Friday that employers would not traditionally give you) and, and, and and, and..... because your holiday fell on a work day, or a school outing, or a block party.
Your neighbor would never have a block party on Easter Sunday.
What we are TRYING to say is that we always have to. Our choice and done willingly. But we ALWAYS have to.
It's sad and frustrating that we still do. The world and life should not stop for the Jeiwsh holidays. But a little respect for our faith and NOT scheduling these big events on the most holy day of the year would be nice.
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
I can't believe it's still going on. My main issue is the "just deal" attitude of some posters. Personally that offends me and I can't believe how many posters are pretty much saying that. Keep quiet and just sign. Don't be "that" neighbor. I am not a confrontational person by any means, but the fact that she told the person picking dates and still went ahead bothers me. Yes, to me that is saying then Jews aren't apart of it.
I respect all other holidays. I teach my kids that Xmas is not only about candy and presents and Easter isn't only about candy. I teach that that temple and religion is important. I respect other holidays. I am also friendly with my neighbors. Not everyone is Jewish on my block. If one mentioned to me just in conversation they are having family over for Easter and hoping it's nice out bc they are eating outside I would respect it and not throw one of my ragers... like I always do every Sunday and not condone the usual moshpit we have.
Ok, so we don't throw those, but just saying. Respect your neighbors. You're telling her not to be "that neighbor" and sign then the neighbors or really the person who picked the date is saying she's that person that doesn't respect the Jewish holiday
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
If it is not even near you house and you can't see it anyway - why are you not going to sign? If it won't affect you in anyway, then yes...you are being a nasty neighbor. Not signing out of spite.
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
Posted by Cacarina
If it is not even near you house and you can't see it anyway - why are you not going to sign? If it won't affect you in anyway, then yes...you are being a nasty neighbor. Not signing out of spite.
you should probably read the thread then...its heavily explained why she shouldn't sign. it does affect her.
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
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If it is not even near you house and you can't see it anyway - why are you not going to sign? If it won't affect you in anyway, then yes...you are being a nasty neighbor. Not signing out of spite.
you should probably read the thread then...its heavily explained why she shouldn't sign. it does affect her.
Not everyone has to agree with the explanation.
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
Posted by SlurpeeDad
Posted by IansMommy23
Posted by Cacarina
If it is not even near you house and you can't see it anyway - why are you not going to sign? If it won't affect you in anyway, then yes...you are being a nasty neighbor. Not signing out of spite.
you should probably read the thread then...its heavily explained why she shouldn't sign. it does affect her.
Not everyone has to agree with the explanation.
i didn't mean she has to agree. thats not what i meant. she asked "why are you not going to sign?". that answer was explained.
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
Posted by Paramount
Im going to make one last point, then let it go.
To all of you who say "I would not mind if there was X on Easter,"
That is a fair statement.
What we ,as Jews are TRYING to convey to you is this:
For the most part, no one would schedule X event on Easter or X-mas. So it really is not a fair analogy.
As a christian you probably never had had to give up partys, and back to school events, and block partys, and recitals, and work (short of taking off for Good Friday that employers would not traditionally give you) and, and, and and, and..... because your holiday fell on a work day, or a school outing, or a block party.
Your neighbor would never have a block party on Easter Sunday.
What we are TRYING to say is that we always have to. Our choice and done willingly. But we ALWAYS have to.
It's sad and frustrating that we still do. The world and life should not stop for the Jeiwsh holidays. But a little respect for our faith and NOT scheduling these big events on the most holy day of the year would be nice.
But do you understand why? Do you realize it's a numbers thing? Percentages? Jews represent 0.2% of the world population? There are more Christians in the world and in this country (at almost 80% compared to 2% Jewish.)
I'm not trying to be snarky, but there is a logical reason.
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
Posted by Chatham-Chick
I'm not trying to be snarky, but there is a logical reason.
But at what point do we stop being logical and we just try to be considerate to each other?
I get that you can't please everyone, but to book a party on a specific date that is the same day as a very important religious holiday? C'mon.
They close public schools for it. Doesn't that say something?
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