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Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
I wouldn't sign it but just so you know they still may have it that date. They need a certain percent to participate...
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
Posted by MarisaK
My parents never participate in their block party - it's not their thing. - But they would never ruin it for the rest of the block by not signing.
I see what you're saying re: the holiday, and I think it was in poor taste on their part - but I still wouldn't refuse to sign, I just wouldn't participate.
I agree with PP. I understand what you're saying about the holiday, but I would sign it and not ruin it for the other kids/families on your block. Can you celebrate your holiday at another family member's home for this year?
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
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I'm not trying to be snarky, but there is a logical reason.
But at what point do we stop being logical and we just try to be considerate to each other?
I get that you can't please everyone, but to book a party on a specific date that is the same day as a very important religious holiday? C'mon.
They close public schools for it. Doesn't that say something?
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
Posted by HoneyBadger
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I'm not trying to be snarky, but there is a logical reason.
But at what point do we stop being logical and we just try to be considerate to each other?
I get that you can't please everyone, but to book a party on a specific date that is the same day as a very important religious holiday? C'mon.
They close public schools for it. Doesn't that say something?
But at the same time, we don't close schools for any Muslim high holy days? (And there are a lot more Muslims in this world.) What about Hindu or Buddhist holidays? Are their religious holidays days any less important because schools don't observe them?
And not all schools close for Jewish holidays (they offer excused absences.) It depends on the demographics and NY tends to have one of the larger Jewish populations.
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DiamondGirl
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
I replied that I would sign bc I would feel rotten being the one to stop the block party...that said...
As a Catholic it is not fair for any of us Catholics to sit here and say "I wouldn't care if they did it on Christmas or Easter" that would NEVER happen, we are the majority, the world as we know it stops and closes on our holidays, save for some Chinese restaurants, McDonalds was even closed as a kid (though I don't think it still is).
So from the point of view of them excluding a whole religion of people yes, the more I think of it the more wrong I feel it is.
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HoneyBadger
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
Posted by Chatham-Chick
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I'm not trying to be snarky, but there is a logical reason.
But at what point do we stop being logical and we just try to be considerate to each other?
I get that you can't please everyone, but to book a party on a specific date that is the same day as a very important religious holiday? C'mon.
They close public schools for it. Doesn't that say something?
But at the same time, we don't close schools for any Muslim high holy days? (And there are a lot more Muslims in this world.) What about Hindu or Buddhist holidays? Are their religious holidays days any less important because schools don't observe them?
And not all schools close for Jewish holidays (they offer excused absences.) It depends on the demographics and NY tends to have one of the larger Jewish populations.
It's equally wrong to not close schools for other religious holidays if they fall on a weekday.
I don't personally believe in tit for tat and would support a Muslim who complained that a communal event was planned for their block on a high holy day as I am here supporting the OP in that I believe it was wrong of her block to plan this party on Yom Kippur.
I can't speak for the entire county, but I will speak for the NYC, Nassau, Suffolk area and say all public schools close for Jewish holidays in September. Hell, as a Catholic I was always a VERY grateful student for having off right at the beginning of the school year, it made easing back into things a tad easier! 
But seriously, why would you even bring up the point about not all schools closing? Obviously we're talking about THIS AREA, where yeah, there are a lot more Jews than say, somewhere in OH. I'm not sure of the point you're making...is it the numbers thing still?
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
Posted by HoneyBadger
Posted by Chatham-Chick
I'm not trying to be snarky, but there is a logical reason.
But at what point do we stop being logical and we just try to be considerate to each other?
I get that you can't please everyone, but to book a party on a specific date that is the same day as a very important religious holiday? C'mon.
They close public schools for it. Doesn't that say something?
I'm sorry but if you took the time to consider every single day where there is a religious obligation or national holiday or something similar, you'd never have anything ever. Period.
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LIMomma
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Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
What catholic holiday requires fasting for a full day and a full day of reflection and atonement? How do you compare the celebratory holidays to ones that require solemn reflection? I think the comparison is a true reflection of ignorance. You stated to the planners that it was a holy day, they ignored you - I would ignore them.
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
Posted by DiamondGirl
I replied that I would sign bc I would feel rotten being the one to stop the block party...that said...
As a Catholic it is not fair for any of us Catholics to sit here and say "I wouldn't care if they did it on Christmas or Easter" that would NEVER happen, we are the majority, the world as we know it stops and closes on our holidays, save for some Chinese restaurants, McDonalds was even closed as a kid (though I don't think it still is).
So from the point of view of them excluding a whole religion of people yes, the more I think of it the more wrong I feel it is.
I actually don't believe this. I live in a very Asian neighborhood. If it were nice enough, they'd most CERTAINLY have a block party on Easter or Christmas and not blink an eye. And neither would I!
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
Posted by halfbaked
Posted by HoneyBadger
Posted by Chatham-Chick
I'm not trying to be snarky, but there is a logical reason.
But at what point do we stop being logical and we just try to be considerate to each other?
I get that you can't please everyone, but to book a party on a specific date that is the same day as a very important religious holiday? C'mon.
They close public schools for it. Doesn't that say something?
I'm sorry but if you took the time to consider every single day where there is a religious obligation or national holiday or something similar, you'd never have anything ever. Period.
Sure, that's true. But a block party? I think not.
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
Posted by halfbaked
Posted by HoneyBadger
Posted by Chatham-Chick
I'm not trying to be snarky, but there is a logical reason.
But at what point do we stop being logical and we just try to be considerate to each other?
I get that you can't please everyone, but to book a party on a specific date that is the same day as a very important religious holiday? C'mon.
They close public schools for it. Doesn't that say something?
I'm sorry but if you took the time to consider every single day where there is a religious obligation or national holiday or something similar, you'd never have anything ever. Period.
Exactly. This whole MONTH is the holiest for all Muslims. It includes fasting all day (not even water!) reflecting, praying, no TV, internet, etc. etc. Should they expect the world to stop for them? Hell, schools don't close for Ramadan when in falls during the school year, and there are a ton of Muslims in the NYC area.
If this is the first year that they've done this, I would sign it but make sure that next year it doesn't happen again. It sucks, but we can't always accommodate everyone all the time.
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HoneyBadger
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
Posted by LIMomma
What catholic holiday requires fasting for a full day and a full day of reflection and atonement? How do you compare the celebratory holidays to ones that require solemn reflection? I think the comparison is a true reflection of ignorance. You stated to the planners that it was a holy day, they ignored you - I would ignore them.
Good Friday.
Technically, we're supposed to fast on Good Friday and really all the other Fridays during Lent but it's been lessened to just eating no meat.
But again, I think it was a poor choice to have the party on Yom Kippur too.
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
Posted by LIMomma
What catholic holiday requires fasting for a full day and a full day of reflection and atonement? How do you compare the celebratory holidays to ones that require solemn reflection? I think the comparison is a true reflection of ignorance. You stated to the planners that it was a holy day, they ignored you - I would ignore them.
Every Fri during lent you are supposed to fast. The super religious still will. Over the years many have changed it to just no meat.
If you are an othodox Christian there are a bunch of days where you fast.
There are days in the religion many of the very religious spend in church or at home in the quiet praying etc.
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
Posted by Kidsaplenty
Posted by halfbaked
Posted by HoneyBadger
Posted by Chatham-Chick
I'm not trying to be snarky, but there is a logical reason.
But at what point do we stop being logical and we just try to be considerate to each other?
I get that you can't please everyone, but to book a party on a specific date that is the same day as a very important religious holiday? C'mon.
They close public schools for it. Doesn't that say something?
I'm sorry but if you took the time to consider every single day where there is a religious obligation or national holiday or something similar, you'd never have anything ever. Period.
Exactly. This whole MONTH is the holiest for all Muslims. It includes fasting all day (not even water!) reflecting, praying, no TV, internet, etc. etc. Should they expect the world to stop for them? Hell, schools don't close for Ramadan when in falls during the school year, and there are a ton of Muslims in the NYC area.
If this is the first year that they've done this, I would sign it but make sure that next year it doesn't happen again. It sucks, but we can't always accommodate everyone all the time.
Actually, I think that is why a block party wasn't considered until sept because they were accommodating those who celebrated Ramadan. I'm not 100 percent sure but that is what my friend/neighbor said could possibly be.
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HoneyBadger
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
Posted by Kidsaplenty
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Posted by HoneyBadger
Posted by Chatham-Chick
I'm not trying to be snarky, but there is a logical reason.
But at what point do we stop being logical and we just try to be considerate to each other?
I get that you can't please everyone, but to book a party on a specific date that is the same day as a very important religious holiday? C'mon.
They close public schools for it. Doesn't that say something?
I'm sorry but if you took the time to consider every single day where there is a religious obligation or national holiday or something similar, you'd never have anything ever. Period.
Exactly. This whole MONTH is the holiest for all Muslims. It includes fasting all day (not even water!) reflecting, praying, no TV, internet, etc. etc. Should they expect the world to stop for them? Hell, schools don't close for Ramadan when in falls during the school year, and there are a ton of Muslims in the NYC area.
If this is the first year that they've done this, I would sign it but make sure that next year it doesn't happen again. It sucks, but we can't always accommodate everyone all the time.
How do they work during this month? Do they have a break in the action?
I'm asking out of ignorance and curiosity, you don't have to answer but I'm genuinely curious.
As for your point, I've already answered...check a few posts up for my POV.
I would like to add this thought...
Do you think your husband or members of his family or fellow worshipers would appreciate it if his religious holidays were considered more? Just wondering.
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
Posted by LIMomma
What catholic holiday requires fasting for a full day and a full day of reflection and atonement? How do you compare the celebratory holidays to ones that require solemn reflection? I think the comparison is a true reflection of ignorance. You stated to the planners that it was a holy day, they ignored you - I would ignore them.
Good Friday is quite a solemn day if you are a practicing catholic. Just wanted to put it out there that there actually are solemn Catholic holidays.. Not everything is about parties and candy with us.
I think the whole situation is petty crappy and I am sorry that you were even put in this position. If it were me, I would sign just to keep the peace but I understand why you are upset.
In general I find it pretty gross how offensive this thread got on both sides of the coin but whatever, I shouldn't expect anything less on good old LIF.
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| Posted 7/22/13 4:48 PM |
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
Posted by HoneyBadger
Posted by halfbaked
Posted by HoneyBadger
Posted by Chatham-Chick
I'm not trying to be snarky, but there is a logical reason.
But at what point do we stop being logical and we just try to be considerate to each other?
I get that you can't please everyone, but to book a party on a specific date that is the same day as a very important religious holiday? C'mon.
They close public schools for it. Doesn't that say something?
I'm sorry but if you took the time to consider every single day where there is a religious obligation or national holiday or something similar, you'd never have anything ever. Period.
Sure, that's true. But a block party? I think not.
Actually I think that would be harder to plan than most regular parties. You have to find a day when a majority of people on a certain block are not only available but willing to participate in the summer/fall when most people do the bulk of their travelling and entertaining. Personally, I've had ONE free weekend this summer and it's looking busy straight through September!
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HoneyBadger
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
Posted by halfbaked
Posted by HoneyBadger
Posted by halfbaked
Posted by HoneyBadger
Posted by Chatham-Chick
I'm not trying to be snarky, but there is a logical reason.
But at what point do we stop being logical and we just try to be considerate to each other?
I get that you can't please everyone, but to book a party on a specific date that is the same day as a very important religious holiday? C'mon.
They close public schools for it. Doesn't that say something?
I'm sorry but if you took the time to consider every single day where there is a religious obligation or national holiday or something similar, you'd never have anything ever. Period.
Sure, that's true. But a block party? I think not.
Actually I think that would be harder to plan than most regular parties. You have to find a day when a majority of people on a certain block are not only available but willing to participate in the summer/fall when most people do the bulk of their travelling and entertaining. Personally, I've had ONE free weekend this summer and it's looking busy straight through September!
I get what you're saying, I really do, but I just think it was really inconsiderate to plan a party knowing outright that it was a religious holiday.
It's just something I wouldn't do or at the very least would do everything in my power to avoid.
The fact that there was an additional date available tells me that they could have avoided this date.
And if the other date was no good, pick another. Considering they were originally supposed to have it in June and didn't get their shit together until now tells me this wasn't really a top priority for anyone so why would they go out of their way to have it on a religious holiday?
Just doesn't make sense to me.
But apparently makes perfect sense to you.
God bless America, we're allowed to have different opinions! 
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Kidsaplenty
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
Posted by HoneyBadger
Posted by Kidsaplenty
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Posted by HoneyBadger
Posted by Chatham-Chick
I'm not trying to be snarky, but there is a logical reason.
But at what point do we stop being logical and we just try to be considerate to each other?
I get that you can't please everyone, but to book a party on a specific date that is the same day as a very important religious holiday? C'mon.
They close public schools for it. Doesn't that say something?
I'm sorry but if you took the time to consider every single day where there is a religious obligation or national holiday or something similar, you'd never have anything ever. Period.
Exactly. This whole MONTH is the holiest for all Muslims. It includes fasting all day (not even water!) reflecting, praying, no TV, internet, etc. etc. Should they expect the world to stop for them? Hell, schools don't close for Ramadan when in falls during the school year, and there are a ton of Muslims in the NYC area.
If this is the first year that they've done this, I would sign it but make sure that next year it doesn't happen again. It sucks, but we can't always accommodate everyone all the time.
How do they work during this month? Do they have a break in the action?
I'm asking out of ignorance and curiosity, you don't have to answer but I'm genuinely curious.
As for your point, I've already answered...check a few posts up for my POV.
I would like to add this thought...
Do you think your husband or members of his family or fellow worshipers would appreciate it if his religious holidays were considered more? Just wondering.
They still work, they are just so wiped out by the end of the day that they're essentially useless. They wake up during the night to pray and eat again, because once the sun comes up all food and drinks are off limits.
For them they're just so used to not having it accommodated that they really couldn't care less in my experience. All of their kids understand why they cant go outside and play or watch tv, they don[t even ask! The day is supposed to be spent reading the Quran and praying.
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DiamondGirl
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
Posted by halfbaked
Posted by DiamondGirl
I replied that I would sign bc I would feel rotten being the one to stop the block party...that said...
As a Catholic it is not fair for any of us Catholics to sit here and say "I wouldn't care if they did it on Christmas or Easter" that would NEVER happen, we are the majority, the world as we know it stops and closes on our holidays, save for some Chinese restaurants, McDonalds was even closed as a kid (though I don't think it still is).
So from the point of view of them excluding a whole religion of people yes, the more I think of it the more wrong I feel it is.
I actually don't believe this. I live in a very Asian neighborhood. If it were nice enough, they'd most CERTAINLY have a block party on Easter or Christmas and not blink an eye. And neither would I!
I was born raised and live in Whitestone, which borders Flushing, it doesnt get more Asian than that  With the exception of immigrant business owners who open bc they feel they need to/to make money most Asians are Christian and celebrate both these Holidays so this comparison is not valid. Many major retailers/restaraunts etc, close for Christmas and Easter, there is no comparison.
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
Never did like block parties 
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
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Never did like block parties
Funny, I was thinking the other day that I never had any on my street growing up, and now I live on a cul-de-sac of 6 houses, so my DD will never have one. I thought it was kind of ssd, but now I'm a tiny bit relieved!
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
My town hosts a local fall festival. Last year it was hosted on Yom Kippur. I along with all the other Jewish people in the town were upset. We asked the date be moved well in advance of the event. The town chose not to move it. They did make a resolution to check the calendar and never host it on Yom Kippur/Rosh Hashanna again, but they said that contracts had already been signed so they could not change the date.
Honestly, if they knew the date in advance, and chose the date anyway I do think it is rude. I would not sign the petition. They can pick another date. It was already moved and they can move it again or figure out how to get their act in gear to do it over the summer next year. I get no date will be ideal, but to knowingly host it on a religious holiday is rude to me, especially if they are moving it to accommodate another religious holiday now.
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
My main thought is that do the planners know there are multiple practicing Jewish families that object to this date? Or do they possibly think its just your family? It's definitely in poor taste to have a block party on day of religious observance but I doubt their intentions were malicious or of purposeful exclusion.
*If* they thought it was only one family and for whatever reasons maybe we don't know about this date was the best one, I'm not sure it's fair to change the date if it may mean 7 other families cannot attend...
It's totally appropriate if you don't want to sign IMO and I wouldn't hold it against you. It is more likely that there are some ignorant neighbors that don't understand the observance(I honestly had no idea that this was the *main* religious observance, I really don't know the difference between the Jewish holidays as a Catholic but I certainly respect it).
Neighbors like to chat and talk about each other so there is a good chance there will be talking about those whom wouldn't sign. If you don't care, that's great, but if that would bother you I would think about signing.
I remember for my block parties everyone knew who didn't pay or sign and grudges were held. So ridiculous and why I hate block parties!
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
Posted by MsSissy
Never did like block parties
I was going to say the same thing -- unless there's a bouncey-castle. If they have one of those, I'm soooooo there!
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