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Hofstra26
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
Posted by Ophelia
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And I stand by what I originally wrote, everyone does NOT deserve the SAME benefits.
so if your dh loses his job you'll just go back to work.
as a teacher.
on LI?
ok. 
even the nice non bully people on this thread see a current running through your posts, which coincidentally also run through other big threads on here.
I still think it's heinous that you believe that not all people still deserve health care. I am sorry. call me a vilifier. an evil judgmental *** a bully whatever.
civilizations rise and fall b/c of this type of thought throughout history. I have always said our civilization was no different than the great civilizations of the past. and the point has been proven.
If my DH ever lost his job we'd do what we had to. Sell our house, move, I would teach elsewhere, get a non-teaching job........what does it matter? Point is, I would step up to help keep my family afloat in whatever way I could. I am not going to argue specifics here, it's silly.
Heinous is a bit harsh. I am not criticizing you for feeling the way you do. I think we do have A LOT of people who take advantage of the system and yes, it's hard to distinguish who is a suck and who isn't (as rojerno pointed out) but I think when matters come down to money it's always a battle.
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
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Posted by Ophelia
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And I stand by what I originally wrote, everyone does NOT deserve the SAME benefits.
so if your dh loses his job you'll just go back to work.
as a teacher.
on LI?
ok.
even the nice non bully people on this thread see a current running through your posts, which coincidentally also run through other big threads on here.
I still think it's heinous that you believe that not all people still deserve health care. I am sorry. call me a vilifier. an evil judgmental *** a bully whatever.
civilizations rise and fall b/c of this type of thought throughout history. I have always said our civilization was no different than the great civilizations of the past. and the point has been proven.
If my DH ever lost his job we'd do what we had to. Sell our house, move, I would teach elsewhere, get a non-teaching job........what does it matter? Point is, I would step up to help keep my family afloat in whatever way I could. I am not going to argue specifics here, it's silly.
Heinous is a bit harsh. I am not criticizing you for feeling the way you do. I think we do have A LOT of people who take advantage of the system and yes, it's hard to distinguish who is a suck and who isn't (as rojerno pointed out) but I think when matters come down to money it's always a battle.
Again, that assuming you can ALSO sell your house for the price you want. I suggest you look at houses sold in your area recently. You might be surprise the sale price of houses lately.
Just don't move to FL. It's one of the worst State in term of unemployement.
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
This is one of the most intense, meaningful posts ever on LIF.
Here are a few things I would hope we could all agree on:
1- the system, as it currently exists, is flawed. some people get screwed and end up without support, despite their best efforts. some people get away with benefits they don't deserve. some people were, unfortunately, born into bad situations and don't have the knowledge, ability, character, health, or whatever to fend for themselves, and something needs to be done to either help them get on their feet and support themselves, or be as little a drain as possible on society, while not causing them to suffer in a way you see in third world countries. something needs to change!
2-better education and planning needs to start early. the message conveyed to children, teenagers, college students needs to change. eyes need to be opened early on because decisions you make as a teenager and young adult can affect you for the rest of your life. not every kid has a parent teaching them how to budget and save. that can be the case whether you are in a poor family or a rich family who thinks their kid doesn't need to worry about it. the message needs to be conveyed that nobody is immune from disaster. crap happens, and you need to start planning early because that crap can happen at any time. yes, it is a choice to go to an expensive college. but how many kids were given the message that they should work crazy hard in school, and do whatever it takes to get into those crazy colleges? how many kids did work their butts off, got in, took out loans and worked p/t jobs thinking it will all pay off in the end? and then the economy tanked, and maybe they couldn't get a job. or maybe they did, and maybe they then got laid off before they had a chance to pay off their loans and build a savings. why isn't there something like mandatory home ec anymore where kids learn what it takes to take care of a house and a family? Why aren't there mandatory classes like shop or basic trades so that people could be more well rounded and have more skills in the future should plan a fail? Why aren't high school, college, grad students more educated about their world and life 10, 15, 20, 30 years down the road. Education is focussed on the present and on acquiring a degree. There needs to be more consideration about what you can do with that degree and what you are going to do if one day that degree does nothing. Once upon a time, not everyone went to college. Having a college degree set you apart and pretty much did guarantee you a decent job. That is not the case anymore.
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| Posted 10/18/11 5:03 PM |
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Ophelia
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
Posted by Hofstra26
Heinous is a bit harsh. I am not criticizing you for feeling the way you do. I think we do have A LOT of people who take advantage of the system and yes, it's hard to distinguish who is a suck and who isn't (as rojerno pointed out) but I think when matters come down to money it's always a battle.
but if we just had basic universal healthcare, no one would be taking advantage b/c we ALL would be covered.
that is the part I don't get. and maybe it will never happen...but as a human being...the idea that sick or injured people around me have to suffer b/c our health care system sucks is crazy to me. it shouldn't matter than A contrbutes more than be. we pay a family plan but only my son has been to the doctor in the last 2 years after my post natal check ups but we still pay in so that there is always money in the communal pot.
immunizations, check up, all of these basic and INEXPENSIVE things would dramatically reduce the overall cost of health care b/c people would be healthier in general. you would have far less catastrophic illness being detected at it's most expensive.
I am not posting these things to call you names or say that you are a bad person. I don't believe that you are. but I do think that perhaps you could change your lens a little and look at things from another perspective. and maybe not think that "it's just the way it is" is a viable answer b/c it suits you.
ETA: I do concede that heinous is harsh. but it's just a visceral feeling. and it's directed at all people who don't believe that all humans are entitled to basic needs. its' not personal.
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Hofstra26
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by Hofstra26
Heinous is a bit harsh. I am not criticizing you for feeling the way you do. I think we do have A LOT of people who take advantage of the system and yes, it's hard to distinguish who is a suck and who isn't (as rojerno pointed out) but I think when matters come down to money it's always a battle.
but if we just had basic universal healthcare, no one would be taking advantage b/c we ALL would be covered.
that is the part I don't get. and maybe it will never happen...but as a human being...the idea that sick or injured people around me have to suffer b/c our health care system sucks is crazy to me. it shouldn't matter than A contrbutes more than be. we pay a family plan but only my son has been to the doctor in the last 2 years after my post natal check ups but we still pay in so that there is always money in the communal pot.
immunizations, check up, all of these basic and INEXPENSIVE things would dramatically reduce the overall cost of health care b/c people would be healthier in general. you would have far less catastrophic illness being detected at it's most expensive.
I am not posting these things to call you names or say that you are a bad person. I don't believe that you are. but I do think that perhaps you could change your lens a little and look at things from another perspective. and maybe not think that "it's just the way it is" is a viable answer b/c it suits you.
ETA: I do concede that heinous is harsh. but it's just a visceral feeling. and it's directed at all people who don't believe that all humans are entitled to basic needs. its' not personal.
I appreciate what you're saying and I do respect your opinion on the matter. All I can say is it's an imperfect world and regardless of what some have said, I'm not opposed to change, to helping others, or to even respect what others are saying and take it to heart.
Just as your response was a visceral response to something you read so was my initial comment after reading that letter someone linked to. In hindsight, I could've worded things better or been clearer but even still, just as everyone wants to be heard and wants to me to respect their opinions and views I expect the same courtesy. The name calling and insults on this board are ALWAYS so uncalled for. It takes things down to such a childish level and then we all behave like brats.
Anyway, that's all. 
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
Posted by Hofstra26
courtesy. The name calling and insults on this board are ALWAYS so uncalled for. It takes things down to such a childish level and then we all behave like brats.
Anyway, that's all.
I don't know you but I will say that your posts here on this thread are some of the reason the level got childish.
You must be very sheltered and living in lalaland remote from reality.
Not all people in need are drug addicts. Actually most people in need now are people like you and me. With a DH who makes good money. MADE good money Has great health benefits. HAD great health benefits.
I am "lucky" that I can afford to work PT.
I suggest you take a look at garage sales EVERYWHERE. People are selling EVERTYTHING. From used clothes to shoes to decor. The price of houses is at record lows.
Go back to threads of teachers here from 5 years ago. Saying how "not worried" they were to lose their job because they felt teachers were safe. Now go read recent threads. Teachers not finding jobs, losing their jobs left and right.
It would be so easy to just sell their house and move but it's not. Houses that sold for $700K+ are not "Listed" for Low $600 and even $500K+ Houses on LI in good areas are now selling for $250K. Yeah... $250K. How do you think people can just sell and leave?
You have a very naive view of reality.
I do hope you are never hit by actual reality. You will be in shock.
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Hofstra26
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
Posted by smdl
Posted by Hofstra26
courtesy. The name calling and insults on this board are ALWAYS so uncalled for. It takes things down to such a childish level and then we all behave like brats.
Anyway, that's all.
I don't know you but I will say that your posts here on this thread are some of the reason the level got childish.
You must be very sheltered and living in lalaland remote from reality.
Not all people in need are drug addicts. Actually most people in need now are people like you and me. With a DH who makes good money. MADE good money Has great health benefits. HAD great health benefits.
I am "lucky" that I can afford to work PT.
I suggest you take a look at garage sales EVERYWHERE. People are selling EVERTYTHING. From used clothes to shoes to decor. The price of houses is at record lows.
Go back to threads of teachers here from 5 years ago. Saying how "not worried" they were to lose their job because they felt teachers were safe. Now go read recent threads. Teachers not finding jobs, losing their jobs left and right.
It would be so easy to just sell their house and move but it's not. Houses that sold for $700K+ are not "Listed" for Low $600 and even $500K+ Houses on LI in good areas are now selling for $250K. Yeah... $250K. How do you think people can just sell and leave?
You have a very naive view of reality.
I do hope you are never hit by actual reality. You will be in shock.
I am not going to argue with as I am well grounded in reality. I certainly don't need a lesson in life from you. And not once in any reply did I criticize anyone or attack anyone. I simply stated my opinion. If you don't like it, that's okay with me. I don't expect everyone to agree with me. That being said, I never resorted to attacking people's character or making fun of anyone in any reply.
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smdl
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
Posted by Hofstra26
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Posted by Hofstra26
courtesy. The name calling and insults on this board are ALWAYS so uncalled for. It takes things down to such a childish level and then we all behave like brats.
Anyway, that's all.
I don't know you but I will say that your posts here on this thread are some of the reason the level got childish.
You must be very sheltered and living in lalaland remote from reality.
Not all people in need are drug addicts. Actually most people in need now are people like you and me. With a DH who makes good money. MADE good money Has great health benefits. HAD great health benefits.
I am "lucky" that I can afford to work PT.
I suggest you take a look at garage sales EVERYWHERE. People are selling EVERTYTHING. From used clothes to shoes to decor. The price of houses is at record lows.
Go back to threads of teachers here from 5 years ago. Saying how "not worried" they were to lose their job because they felt teachers were safe. Now go read recent threads. Teachers not finding jobs, losing their jobs left and right.
It would be so easy to just sell their house and move but it's not. Houses that sold for $700K+ are not "Listed" for Low $600 and even $500K+ Houses on LI in good areas are now selling for $250K. Yeah... $250K. How do you think people can just sell and leave?
You have a very naive view of reality.
I do hope you are never hit by actual reality. You will be in shock.
I am not going to argue with as I am well grounded in reality. I certainly don't need a lesson in life from you. And not once in any reply did I criticize anyone or attack anyone. I simply stated my opinion. If you don't like it, that's okay with me. I don't expect everyone to agree with me. That being said, I never resorted to attacking people's character or making fun of anyone in any reply.
I am actually not making fun of you at all. I just feel you are very naive by your answers. I wish you no harm and hope you stay in your sheltered life because I think you would fall REALLY hard if you did get hit.
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
Due to work and small child at home I am unable to read all the posts but the only opionion I have is please don't raise my taxes. I make good money before taxes but not so good after with all my bills (daycare, property taxes, mortgage). I do not live above my means. Also, I think the welfare system needs to be reformed. I think people who work and have low salaries should get help and the people who have abusing the system need to be cut off.
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Hofstra26
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
Posted by smdl
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courtesy. The name calling and insults on this board are ALWAYS so uncalled for. It takes things down to such a childish level and then we all behave like brats.
Anyway, that's all.
I don't know you but I will say that your posts here on this thread are some of the reason the level got childish.
You must be very sheltered and living in lalaland remote from reality.
Not all people in need are drug addicts. Actually most people in need now are people like you and me. With a DH who makes good money. MADE good money Has great health benefits. HAD great health benefits.
I am "lucky" that I can afford to work PT.
I suggest you take a look at garage sales EVERYWHERE. People are selling EVERTYTHING. From used clothes to shoes to decor. The price of houses is at record lows.
Go back to threads of teachers here from 5 years ago. Saying how "not worried" they were to lose their job because they felt teachers were safe. Now go read recent threads. Teachers not finding jobs, losing their jobs left and right.
It would be so easy to just sell their house and move but it's not. Houses that sold for $700K+ are not "Listed" for Low $600 and even $500K+ Houses on LI in good areas are now selling for $250K. Yeah... $250K. How do you think people can just sell and leave?
You have a very naive view of reality.
I do hope you are never hit by actual reality. You will be in shock.
I am not going to argue with as I am well grounded in reality. I certainly don't need a lesson in life from you. And not once in any reply did I criticize anyone or attack anyone. I simply stated my opinion. If you don't like it, that's okay with me. I don't expect everyone to agree with me. That being said, I never resorted to attacking people's character or making fun of anyone in any reply.
I am actually not making fun of you at all. I just feel you are very naive by your answers. I wish you no harm and hope you stay in your sheltered life because I think you would fall REALLY hard if you did get hit.
I am well aware that anything can happen...........to anyone. I am lucky and fortunate we're okay right now. I am well aware of the problems that face our nation. I am FAR from naive and I certainly don't live a sheltered life. NOT at all. I just am put off by the insinuation.
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JenniferEver
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
I totally disagree with Hofstra26's remarks and POV, but I think it's time to stop  .
The thread is too much about one person's comments answers to them and what she did and did not say.
Many of us think it's uncaring, it's hypocritical. She's probably also a great mom and one hell of a dancer.
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| Posted 10/18/11 6:29 PM |
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Hofstra26
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
Posted by JenniferEver
I totally disagree with Hofstra26's remarks and POV, but I think it's time to stop .
The thread is too much about one person's comments answers to them and what she did and did not say.
Many of us think it's uncaring, it's hypocritical. She's probably also a great mom and one hell of a dancer.
Great mom..........without question. A great dancer..........eh,not so much.
At least we can agree one thing, I too am tired of hearing your POV as well.
Have a lovely evening. 
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
Posted by JenniferEver
I totally disagree with Hofstra26's remarks and POV, but I think it's time to stop .
The thread is too much about one person's comments answers to them and what she did and did not say.
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Totally agree and any attempt to turn the conversation around and back on target fallen on deaf ears. I feel like one of the other 4 candidates at the Republican debates that no one gets to hear from.
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
I am kind of shocked at some of the comments towards Hofstra26. Her opinion may not be popular, but she's entitled to it! And there are PLENTY of people who have similar views. I'm sure not all of them are naive and/or live in bubbles.
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
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I am kind of shocked at some of the comments towards Hofstra26. Her opinion may not be popular, but she's entitled to it! And there are PLENTY of people who have similar views. I'm sure not all of them are naive and/or live in bubbles.
Just because lots of people share this view doesn't make it any less selfish or any more compassionate or empathetic. You can't just use "conservative views" as a catch-all excuse for not respecting basic human rights.
ETA Everyone is outraged by the lack of empathy/morals displayed in that video of the Chinese baby (obviously rightfully so) but I don't see how that is different from denying healthcare to children because their parents "aren't doing their part" or "are mooching off the system." Yes, one of them isn't obvious and on a camera, but saying you think some children don't deserve healthcare is no different than walking by a dying baby on a street and ignoring her.
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
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I have neither the time nor the inclination to respond to this thread except to make one point:
I skimmed this thread and I just have to compliment Hofstra26 on standing up for herself to the relentless unfair attacks that have been levied against her (e.g. calling her selfish, and saying that she is a drain on society as a SAHM.) She has been expressing a very common opinion regarding personal responsibility and individualism. I agree with her wholeheartedly.
To compare the legitimacy of her (and my) opinion to the legitimacy of racists or nazis is completely outrageous and unfair.
actually NO, not at all. her little family is socialist. they rely on each other completely for their needs. she is not an individualist in any way, b/c if she was, she'd have HER OWN JOB and HER OWN INSURANCE and wouldn't be teaming up with her dh for those things.
don't skim something and come at me with some weak opinion, deigning to do so at that.
Wow, you continue to insult and condescend about her "little family" that is in your perspective "socialist." I think they made individual choices that work for them. Good for them!
Sorry you don't appreciate my "weak opinion." I will say you seem to have lots of time to spout your opinions. Let me guess: You are a stay at home mom who doesn't contribute to society like Hofstra (Before I get jumped on for that, I am being sarcastic.) ..... Either that or you work for the government and have such time to waste.
(And to pre-empt the inevitable response: Yes, I work, I just have some down time right now and I am just wasting time waiting for some reports that should be delivered shortly...)
Work for the government and have time to waste?? I work for the government and have absolutely no time to waste. I work for the county Child Protective Services and right now they are talking about laying upwards of 100 people off increasing our case load (families) from 25 upwards to about 35-40 FYI thats about 100 kids I currently supervise to about 200-300 i'm sure when something happens to one b/c we are unable to perform our basic job duties due to the demand being so high, you'll make comments about goverment employees having so much time on their hands right? please before you start making assumptions about government workers you should consider all goverment offices and entities and realize that most goverment employees bust their butts to make this state/counties/country a better place for YOU and your children to live
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
WELL... I must say... 
THIS IS THE MOST RESPONSES MY POST EVER GOT in my almost 10 years on LIW/LIF boards!! 
I am not going to join the conversation at this point because really, everything has been said and done: the liberals, the conservatives, the socialists all shared their views!
Me, I know what i know... the system is certainly broken and there are so many issues in thsi country that I am not even going to get into it now...
I will say one thing, no, make it two:
1. All the jobs that have gone overseas and absolutely every single product on the shelves of our stores that is "made in China: huge part of the problem.
2. I lived in a socialist country half of my life. The "let's just take something and divide equally so everyone can have the same great things in life"? That system just doesn't work!
Carry on, y'all!
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KennysMommy
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
Can I just respond to my own views of OWS? Maybe I should make a spinoff....
The people who started OWS are anarchists. They are protesting everything our country stands for. From capitalism, to big businesses, to Wall Street, to laws. They're protesting it all!
Unions are supporting them. Well, pensions that union employees hope to collect on are in the stock market! They're protesting the hand that feeds them!
IMO, the protesters are doing it all wrong. They should be protesting the Gov't and all the things that are WRONG with it. If I wanted to give a math test to my 7th graders, I wouldn't throw in SS, Science, English, and Economics on the test just because..... Congress tries to pass a bill and loads it up with everything under the sun. It's crazy! A Bill should be ONE thing - pass it, move on. Instead, they're hundreds of pages long about everything under the sun!
Rant over. People should just truly understand who the original OWS people are. They're not nice people and we're supporting them.
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emilylives
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
Posted by KennysMommy
The people who started OWS are anarchists. They are protesting everything our country stands for. From capitalism, to big businesses, to Wall Street, to laws. They're protesting it all!
Totally disagree. The people complaining about the protesters are much closer to anarchists than the protesters themselves. The basic idea of anarchism is anti-government, pro-individualism, pro-free market. That is the exact opposite of what these protesters are about.
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
i am shocked at this whole thing, and not in the way that many of you are...
i don't think wanting to hold on to what i worked for makes me a bad person like some of you insinuate
and on a side note, why does everyone always pick on english majors? 
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KennysMommy
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
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Posted by KennysMommy
The people who started OWS are anarchists. They are protesting everything our country stands for. From capitalism, to big businesses, to Wall Street, to laws. They're protesting it all!
Totally disagree. The people complaining about the protesters are much closer to anarchists than the protesters themselves. The basic idea of anarchism is anti-government, pro-individualism, pro-free market. That is the exact opposite of what these protesters are about.
Not true. DH is a cop and was there on day 1. He met them. He saw them. He smelled them.... they ARE anarchists and are proud to admit it. The crowds have grown and they have blended in, but they are the ones who started it. They also have professional agitators that will throw balloons filled with urine at cops and wonder why cops go apesh*t on them when they react. Hmmmm..... maybe because they're covered in urine!? Just saying....
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
I'm so surprised that this thread hasn't been pulled....
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emilylives
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
Posted by evrythng4areason
i am shocked at this whole thing, and not in the way that many of you are...
i don't think wanting to hold on to what i worked for makes me a bad person like some of you insinuate
and on a side note, why does everyone always pick on english majors?
I'm not saying you're a bad person because of your views, but I am saying that to me, the views are lacking in compassion and empathy. We live in a society in which we're necessarily depending on each other. You are using public roads/transportation, you have the police and firefighters protecting you, your food is protected by the FDA, your air is protected by the EPA, and your kids will probably go to public school. Why shouldn't you have to give up some of your salary to cover these expenses? And that should go for ensuring that all citizens have access to basic human needs like food, shelter, healthcare, and education.
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| Posted 10/18/11 10:23 PM |
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cateyemm
Twins!
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
Posted by KennysMommy
Not true. DH is a cop and was there on day 1. He met them. He saw them. He smelled them.... they ARE anarchists and are proud to admit it. The crowds have grown and they have blended in, but they are the ones who started it. They also have professional agitators that will throw balloons filled with urine at cops and wonder why cops go apesh*t on them when they react. Hmmmm..... maybe because they're covered in urine!? Just saying....
What did he say they smelled like?
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| Posted 10/18/11 10:31 PM |
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evrythng4areason
And then there were 4
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
Posted by emilylives
Posted by evrythng4areason
i am shocked at this whole thing, and not in the way that many of you are...
i don't think wanting to hold on to what i worked for makes me a bad person like some of you insinuate
and on a side note, why does everyone always pick on english majors?
I'm not saying you're a bad person because of your views, but I am saying that to me, the views are lacking in compassion and empathy. We live in a society in which we're necessarily depending on each other. You are using public roads/transportation, you have the police and firefighters protecting you, your food is protected by the FDA, your air is protected by the EPA, and your kids will probably go to public school. Why shouldn't you have to give up some of your salary to cover these expenses? And that should go for ensuring that all citizens have access to basic human needs like food, shelter, healthcare, and education.
i do pay taxes for these things..a LOT of taxes
and i do like to think i'm a pretty compassionate person-i teach, i have manners, i hold doors
i have been DIRT poor, and nobody gave me sh**..nor would i expect them to
why do others expect me to give more money out of my check that i work for, when they don't?
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| Posted 10/18/11 10:31 PM |
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