Re: Alligator drags toddler into lagoon at Disney hotel

This is the sign they have at the poly, and the signs are similar at all the Disney beaches.




This is the sign they need (from an off site hotel)

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Posted by Hofstra26

Posted by BargainMama

Posted by Hofstra26

Posted by SecretlyTTC14

Posted by oldtimerocknroll

That poor, poor baby.

I can't believe the who's-at-fault conversations have started. All we should do right now is pray, or hope, for a miracle.

I agree. This breaks my heart. I'm hoping they find him alive ... alligators don't usually eat humans, so maybe he spit him out and he's alive on the banks somewhere. I don't know, I have to hope for a miracle because reading this story just kills me. I can't even imagine how the parents feel. To not be able to hold on as an alligator grabs your child. It's absolutely horrifying.

I thought alligators clamp down and basically pull their victim under until they drown and stop moving. Sadly, I don't think they will find him alive.

Yes, this is what I have read, ......and...disclaimer that this is disturbing to read........







and that after drowning the victim, they stash them somewhere on the bottom, whether it be under rocks, etc. until they tenderize so to speak, and then eat them.

OMG!! I didn't know that part!!!

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Posted by Hofstra26

Posted by BargainMama

Posted by Hofstra26

Posted by SecretlyTTC14

Posted by oldtimerocknroll

That poor, poor baby.

I can't believe the who's-at-fault conversations have started. All we should do right now is pray, or hope, for a miracle.

I agree. This breaks my heart. I'm hoping they find him alive ... alligators don't usually eat humans, so maybe he spit him out and he's alive on the banks somewhere. I don't know, I have to hope for a miracle because reading this story just kills me. I can't even imagine how the parents feel. To not be able to hold on as an alligator grabs your child. It's absolutely horrifying.

I thought alligators clamp down and basically pull their victim under until they drown and stop moving. Sadly, I don't think they will find him alive.

Yes, this is what I have read, ......and...disclaimer that this is disturbing to read........







and that after drowning the victim, they stash them somewhere on the bottom, whether it be under rocks, etc. until they tenderize so to speak, and then eat them.

OMG!! I didn't know that part!!!

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I'm not sure if any of the comments are directed at me since I was the first to vent about it.

But let me be clear. I'm not blaming the parents.
I have a 2yo DS and I can't imagine how horrible it must be for them to have seen this happen. It was just a bad luck freak accident that no one in a million years would have expected.

I'm just frustrated that people see a no swimming sign and still choose to go even partially in the water. It shouldn't matter what the reason for the sign is. It shouldn't matter what state you're from. You shouldn't need a giant alligator icon.

And I guess that's what makes me so angry- that these days every single, tiny, little detail needs to be spelled out for people or else they won't listen. Like needing to say "hot" on a coffee cup, or those insane disclaimers on tv commercials not to try this, that, or the other at home. There's just no personal responsibility anymore and I'm tired of it. And it's not specific to this incident or direct at this family in particular. This just brought up the feelings for me and maybe it's not the right place to discuss them, but this is where it came out.

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Re: Alligator drags toddler into lagoon at Disney hotel

Posted by My2Girlz11

Posted by BargainMama

Posted by My2Girlz11

Posted by BargainMama

This is the sign they have at the poly, and the signs are similar at all the Disney beaches.

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This is the sign they need (from an off site hotel)

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We stayed at the Wilderness resort and I remember seeing signs that said no swimming and allegators. But that sandy beach does make it a bit confusing. It looks inviting

We have stayed at the Wilderness Lodge and I don't recall ever seeing signs that say alligators.

Here is the sign there (sorry these are coming up so huge...made it a link!)

https://images.oyster.com/photos/beach-disney-wilderness-lodge-v640379-1280.jpg

and here is the Yacht and Beach Club sign



https://cdn0.touringplans.com/static/hotels/orl003/BC-Beach(B).JPG

I remember having the alligator sign talk with my daughter and teasing her about it. It may have been in the way to the boats that being you to Disney.

I didn't think I would need a picture of it.

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I keep thinking of the poor family. I would think you could use the beach at a yacht and beach club. To say oh nope, you can't swim at a beach club at the beach seems so incredibly unbelievable to me. The more I think about it the sadder I am for the family.

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Posted by BargainMama

Posted by My2Girlz11

Posted by BargainMama

Posted by My2Girlz11

Posted by BargainMama

This is the sign they have at the poly, and the signs are similar at all the Disney beaches.

IMAGE


This is the sign they need (from an off site hotel)

IMAGE

We stayed at the Wilderness resort and I remember seeing signs that said no swimming and allegators. But that sandy beach does make it a bit confusing. It looks inviting

We have stayed at the Wilderness Lodge and I don't recall ever seeing signs that say alligators.

Here is the sign there (sorry these are coming up so huge...made it a link!)

https://images.oyster.com/photos/beach-disney-wilderness-lodge-v640379-1280.jpg

and here is the Yacht and Beach Club sign



https://cdn0.touringplans.com/static/hotels/orl003/BC-Beach(B).JPG

I remember having the alligator sign talk with my daughter and teasing her about it. It may have been in the way to the boats that being you to Disney.

I didn't think I would need a picture of it.

No need to be catty, I was just pointing out that the beach does not have any signs that reference alligators. A lot of parents would not let their kids stick their ankles in the water if there were signs that say there are alligators at the beach. I've been to Disneyworld about 20 times, and I have never seen a sign like that. I'm not saying they don't exist, but they definitely need to put some more up.

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Of course the blame game has begun. A two year old, TWO YEAR OLD has likely died and people feel the need to point the finger. I said it when the gorilla incident occurred and I'll say it again. If you're going to run a theme park geared towards kids and families and charge them hundreds and thousands you better be sure there is no confusion and no doubt the possibility of dangers. Yes, if you're a business you need to spell out every single letter and have pictures of alligators so there is no confusion and post in different languages. Sorry, but no swimming is not the same as do not enter with a pic of an alligator. And to question the family's common sense is just so cruel and unnecessary. I hope they find him. So sad.

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Here is the sign there (sorry these are coming up so huge...made it a link!)

https://images.oyster.com/photos/beach-disney-wilderness-lodge-v640379-1280.jpg

and here is the Yacht and Beach Club sign

https://cdn0.touringplans.com/static/hotels/orl003/BC-Beach(B).JPG


In the first link you posted of the Wilderness Lodge, there is a little girl playing right at the edge. An alligator could come up a few feet and grab her, no? In that case, no where on this beach is safe.

Alligator drags toddler into lagoon at Disney hotel

I am from NY but have been to FL a million times. My parents have a condo in FL. I was in Universal this year and Disney last year. Never ever once did I think there are alligators in those man made bodies of SALT water.

Furthermore the sign says don't swim and indicates a steep drop. Naturally I would assume the water is dirty and not safe due to the boats. A boat could easily run you over.

And finally an alligator can easily run out of the water and snatch a child playing a few feet away in the sand. There need to be clear signs and maybe don't make the beach look so inviting with sand and volleyball and beach chairs. There should be continuous sweeps of the lakes to remove them.

Disney is about to get sued big time.

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Orange County Sheriff Jerry Demings says some 50 people are now “working on recovering the body” of a 2-year-old boy snatched by an alligator at Walt Disney World.

He says the boy’s family “will no question lose a 2-year-old child.”

Some 50 people are now using sonar equipment as they search a system of lakes and ponds linked by canals to the Seven Seas Lagoon where the boy was attacked while wading in about a foot of water at 9 p.m. Tuesday night.

Demings says they are trying to “bring some closure to this family.”

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I was refraining from getting into the back and forth bs on this thread but I need to get this out.

The boy was wading, not swimming. He was not in a bathing suit. He was on the shore, in a foot of water in arms length of his father. To blame the parents is disgusting. And to say it's common sense, no it's not. Like I said, I went to college in Florida so for me, I would assume gators were everywhere. They're from Nebraska and do.not have this.

And for all those that are so well educated about gators, did you know that breeding season just ended and the mother gators have their nests on the shoreline? If anybody goes near it (on the shore) they will attack.

As for the signs, no swimming does not mean do not stand in the water. There needs to be signs everywhere there are alligators. If you can't control the lagoon with access to canals and other bodies of water,then don't have a freaking beach with chairs, volleyball etc.

And most importantly, my first reaction is that of horror, empathy and unbelievable sadness for this family. I'm sorry and sad that for some people that's not their first reaction. Just be thankful this isn't your right now, which for some of you, you think it never could be.

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Posted by Hofstra26

Posted by soontobemommyof2

Posted by ohbaby08

Posted by soontobemommyof2

Posted by BabyBMakes3

This story is so, so sad.

I am curious if the same people who condemned gorilla mom will do the same in this case...since you know...these parents let their 2 year old wade in the water in the dark where they were not immediatly able to grab them.

Good point! Well there's already a comment posted that made me think of gorilla mom

Edit: actually 2

Make me three then.

The lagoon they were in was NOT for recreational use. PLUS, there were multiple "no swimming" signs. How is that not idiotic? I don't care if they are from Nebraska. Does that negate the need for common sense?

The lagoon feeds into bigger bodies of water, making it impossible for Disney to keep track of how many alligators enter. Hence, the "no swimming" signs.

Call me callous, I don't care. A 2 year old is, most likely, dead and his parents are at fault. Can't wait until they try to sue Disney.

Not everyone have the same common sense. Common sense is based on experiences and adquired knowledge. If this ppl are from an area where there's absolutely no gators, how do u expect them to know they should assume gators can be anywhere, especially in a place that's geared towards kids, families in general?!?

Also they weren't the only ones there, there were many other ppl who as u suggested must have been idiots for not being able to have ur common sense and discern that the no swimming signs meant also don't get in the water, in the water, near the water, even look at the water for that matter

Actually, the news outlets have reported they were the ONLY ones IN the water despite others being on the beach.

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Alligator drags toddler into lagoon at Disney hotel

I feel absolutely terrible for the family. No family should ever have to go through something like this. But the one thing that I can not get past is that the 4 year old sister was in a playpen on the beach. Why is it that the 4 year old is in a playpen and the 2 year old is allowed to wade in foot deep water? That all just does not make sense to me.

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Posted by ANewDayHasCome


Orange County Sheriff Jerry Demings says some 50 people are now “working on recovering the body” of a 2-year-old boy snatched by an alligator at Walt Disney World.

He says the boy’s family “will no question lose a 2-year-old child.”

Some 50 people are now using sonar equipment as they search a system of lakes and ponds linked by canals to the Seven Seas Lagoon where the boy was attacked while wading in about a foot of water at 9 p.m. Tuesday night.

Demings says they are trying to “bring some closure to this family.”

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Posted by BargainMama

Posted by Hofstra26

Posted by BargainMama

This makes me so sick and sad! That poor 2 year old!!!

YES there are signs that say "no swimming", BUT they were not swimming, they were in ankle deep water. That is not swimming. The signs should say don't enter the water! The signs also don't say ANYTHING about alligators. I never let my kids near that water and not because of gators, but because I thought the warning is because of the bacteria that is in many bodies of water in FL. I was under the impression that WDW removes the alligators, but I guess that is naive huh! I can't tell you how many times I see people in ankle deep, even at the movie nights, and I guarantee gators weren't on their mind. So sad, so horrific, I can't even imagine

Really? I mean, you're splitting hairs here. No swimming means..............don't go in the water. No wading in the water. No walking through the water. No splashing in the water. No doing the breast stroke. No swimming implies STAY OUT OF THE WATER. Period. To think otherwise is completely lacking in common sense IMO. When I see a No Swimming sign anywhere I assume that means you are not allowed to be in the water in any capacity.

Eh, even Jeff Corwin (the gator expert) said putting your ankles in the water isn't swimming and these parents are not at fault. I'm not an idiot....but I would never equate putting your feet into the water to swimming. The beaches here say NO SWIMMING all the time and people are always standing in the water.

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