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Re: Alligator drags toddler into lagoon at Disney hotel
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This makes me so sick and sad! That poor 2 year old!!!
YES there are signs that say "no swimming", BUT they were not swimming, they were in ankle deep water. That is not swimming. The signs should say don't enter the water! The signs also don't say ANYTHING about alligators. I never let my kids near that water and not because of gators, but because I thought the warning is because of the bacteria that is in many bodies of water in FL. I was under the impression that WDW removes the alligators, but I guess that is naive huh! I can't tell you how many times I see people in ankle deep, even at the movie nights, and I guarantee gators weren't on their mind. So sad, so horrific, I can't even imagine 
Really?  I mean, you're splitting hairs here. No swimming means..............don't go in the water. No wading in the water. No walking through the water. No splashing in the water. No doing the breast stroke. No swimming implies STAY OUT OF THE WATER. Period. To think otherwise is completely lacking in common sense IMO. When I see a No Swimming sign anywhere I assume that means you are not allowed to be in the water in any capacity.
Eh, even Jeff Corwin (the gator expert) said putting your ankles in the water isn't swimming and these parents are not at fault. I'm not an idiot....but I would never equate putting your feet into the water to swimming. The beaches here say NO SWIMMING all the time and people are always standing in the water.
I agree. No swimming doesn't equal stay out of the water to me. It means don't swim.
Im with you.
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Alligator drags toddler into lagoon at Disney hotel
So sad - I can't imagine what the parents are feeling after watching this happen and not being able to prevent it - despite being right there!
Like a pp said - I've been to Florida, have seen gators, etc but, I never would imagine there to be gators living in a man made body of water at Disney World, where they have beaches at some resorts on the body of water!
I would have never second guessed wading with just a sign stating no swimming.
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Re: Alligator drags toddler into lagoon at Disney hotel
Posted by Goobster
In the first link you posted of the Wilderness Lodge, there is a little girl playing right at the edge. An alligator could come up a few feet and grab her, no? In that case, no where on this beach is safe.
I thought they were at the Grand Floridian?
They were. I was pointing out exactly what their signs say.
The pp didn't quote the post...and I see quoting is all messed up now....
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Re: Alligator drags toddler into lagoon at Disney hotel
How is it that they set up "beaches" to look like real beaches and have sand and lounge chairs and movie nights on the "beach" and allow children to play in the vicinity of wild predators? How?
I know Disney's whole business is setting up a fake world... but this is just insanity to me.
You dont' build a "beach area" around water ways where alligators live. You just do not.
The reality is you are in CENTRAL Florida. There are no beaches. Don't make fake ones.
I like the beach so I go to the coast. Not Disney.
The only people to blame here IMO is Disney. And I hope they get sued heavily.
What a disgrace.
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BargainMama
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Alligator drags toddler into lagoon at Disney hotel
I think they assumed the signs were enough. Disney is micro managed and safe, you should see their safety precautions on their cruises and excursions. But, I guess they never thought the gators would attack. We have rented mouse boats in the lagoon many times. Always dipping my hand in!
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Re: Alligator drags toddler into lagoon at Disney hotel
Posted by NervousNell
How is it that they set up "beaches" to look like real beaches and have sand and lounge chairs and movie nights on the "beach" and allow children to play in the vicinity of wild predators? How?
I know Disney's whole business is setting up a fake world... but this is just insanity to me.
You dont' build a "beach area" around water ways where alligators live. You just do not.
The only people to blame here IMO is Disney. And I hope they get sued heavily.
What a disgrace.
I agree! I know money won't help these parents but Disney is a million percent at fault here and they should pay heavily. You shell out a ton of money for a dream vacation and it turns into your worst nightmare because they couldn't put alligator signs up. I would assume the no swimming sign means no swimming because there is no lifeguard... not because of alligators.
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Re: Alligator drags toddler into lagoon at Disney hotel
Posted by SecretlyTTC14
Posted by NervousNell
How is it that they set up "beaches" to look like real beaches and have sand and lounge chairs and movie nights on the "beach" and allow children to play in the vicinity of wild predators? How?
I know Disney's whole business is setting up a fake world... but this is just insanity to me.
You dont' build a "beach area" around water ways where alligators live. You just do not.
The only people to blame here IMO is Disney. And I hope they get sued heavily.
What a disgrace.
I agree! I know money won't help these parents but Disney is a million percent at fault here and they should pay heavily. You shell out a ton of money for a dream vacation and it turns into your worst nightmare because they couldn't put alligator signs up. I would assume the no swimming sign means no swimming because there is no lifeguard... not because of alligators.
And I would never fathom that they would allow children in an area with predators like that. Never in a million years....
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Re: Alligator drags toddler into lagoon at Disney hotel
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by SecretlyTTC14
Posted by NervousNell
How is it that they set up "beaches" to look like real beaches and have sand and lounge chairs and movie nights on the "beach" and allow children to play in the vicinity of wild predators? How?
I know Disney's whole business is setting up a fake world... but this is just insanity to me.
You dont' build a "beach area" around water ways where alligators live. You just do not.
The only people to blame here IMO is Disney. And I hope they get sued heavily.
What a disgrace.
I agree! I know money won't help these parents but Disney is a million percent at fault here and they should pay heavily. You shell out a ton of money for a dream vacation and it turns into your worst nightmare because they couldn't put alligator signs up. I would assume the no swimming sign means no swimming because there is no lifeguard... not because of alligators.
And I would never fathom that they would allow children in an area with predators like that. Never in a million years....
And here is where the common sense issue really lies, on Disney!!! They failed their patrons, they failed that little boy!!!
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Re: Alligator drags toddler into lagoon at Disney hotel
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by SecretlyTTC14
Posted by NervousNell
How is it that they set up "beaches" to look like real beaches and have sand and lounge chairs and movie nights on the "beach" and allow children to play in the vicinity of wild predators? How?
I know Disney's whole business is setting up a fake world... but this is just insanity to me.
You dont' build a "beach area" around water ways where alligators live. You just do not.
The only people to blame here IMO is Disney. And I hope they get sued heavily.
What a disgrace.
I agree! I know money won't help these parents but Disney is a million percent at fault here and they should pay heavily. You shell out a ton of money for a dream vacation and it turns into your worst nightmare because they couldn't put alligator signs up. I would assume the no swimming sign means no swimming because there is no lifeguard... not because of alligators.
And I would never fathom that they would allow children in an area with predators like that. Never in a million years....
Yes! No one should even be allowed on that beach. Fukk the no swimming signs.
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Re: Alligator drags toddler into lagoon at Disney hotel
Posted by Lara&Aidansmommy
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by SecretlyTTC14
Posted by NervousNell
How is it that they set up "beaches" to look like real beaches and have sand and lounge chairs and movie nights on the "beach" and allow children to play in the vicinity of wild predators? How?
I know Disney's whole business is setting up a fake world... but this is just insanity to me.
You dont' build a "beach area" around water ways where alligators live. You just do not.
The only people to blame here IMO is Disney. And I hope they get sued heavily.
What a disgrace.
I agree! I know money won't help these parents but Disney is a million percent at fault here and they should pay heavily. You shell out a ton of money for a dream vacation and it turns into your worst nightmare because they couldn't put alligator signs up. I would assume the no swimming sign means no swimming because there is no lifeguard... not because of alligators.
And I would never fathom that they would allow children in an area with predators like that. Never in a million years....
Yes! No one should even be allowed on that beach. Fukk the no swimming signs.
I agree with all of you 100%.
That poor family....My God, I do not know how I would go on after something like that.
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Re: Alligator drags toddler into lagoon at Disney hotel
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by SecretlyTTC14
Posted by NervousNell
How is it that they set up "beaches" to look like real beaches and have sand and lounge chairs and movie nights on the "beach" and allow children to play in the vicinity of wild predators? How?
I know Disney's whole business is setting up a fake world... but this is just insanity to me.
You dont' build a "beach area" around water ways where alligators live. You just do not.
The only people to blame here IMO is Disney. And I hope they get sued heavily.
What a disgrace.
I agree! I know money won't help these parents but Disney is a million percent at fault here and they should pay heavily. You shell out a ton of money for a dream vacation and it turns into your worst nightmare because they couldn't put alligator signs up. I would assume the no swimming sign means no swimming because there is no lifeguard... not because of alligators.
And I would never fathom that they would allow children in an area with predators like that. Never in a million years....
Exactly! I know people want to blame the parents and say it's common sense... but really...you see a fake beach like that setup and never in a million years would I think alligators are in there.
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Re: Alligator drags toddler into lagoon at Disney hotel
I know from vacationing down there that sometimes gators get into pools and stuff, but you would assume they remove them from a resort like this. They have already captured 5 gators and haven't found any sign of the boy. They allow the wild predators to just live there and expect the guests to know better. That is negligence. Put up a f*cking sign with a gator on it and no one would go near the edge of that water.
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Re: Alligator drags toddler into lagoon at Disney hotel
Posted by NervousNell
How is it that they set up "beaches" to look like real beaches and have sand and lounge chairs and movie nights on the "beach" and allow children to play in the vicinity of wild predators? How?
I know Disney's whole business is setting up a fake world... but this is just insanity to me.
You dont' build a "beach area" around water ways where alligators live. You just do not.
The only people to blame here IMO is Disney. And I hope they get sued heavily.
What a disgrace.
This! I'm literally sick over this. We stayed at the Grand Floridian in April and my 1 year old was playing in that sand along the shoreline. They set it up like a F####### beach. They host campfires and movie nights there! No swimming fine, they had a sign and he didn't swim, but he was very close the shoreline, running back and forth with his shovel and bucket. Plus I'm not one of those mother's who think they are "immune," my dh was right next to him chatting with a friend but it SO could've been my little guy. It only takes a split second, clearly that gator was close. And not for a split second did the thought of an alligator ever cross my mind. No signs, no warnings from casts members.or lifeguards. Plenty of kids play in that sand everyday. I'm really, really hating Disney over this. It's all about creating illusions for people. There aren't warnings because alligator warmings don't go well with their brand. For $1000 a night, they can go F### themselves. I feel like I can never go back there. Right now, I hope the whole place shuts down.
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Re: Alligator drags toddler into lagoon at Disney hotel
Tried to post a pic and can't. NM
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Re: Alligator drags toddler into lagoon at Disney hotel
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Alligator drags toddler into lagoon at Disney hotel
I think this thread emphasizes why Disney is responsible here. When a warning sign is posted, it must be clear and not subject to misinterpretation. Warning signs are not supposed to be about common sense, they are supposed to warn you about a dangerous situation. Personally, I'm in the camp that a "no swimming" sign does not mean "do not go in the water." Honestly, I think Disney messed up royally because they should not be having activities near the water even if there is a remote chance that an alligator could be in that water.
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Alligator drags toddler into lagoon at Disney hotel
This is absolutely horrific. Everyone knows there is no swimming but no swimming does not mean no wading, no playing at the shore, no splashing around. Disney is totally at fault here and although it was an accident, it was an avoidable one. That poor father that saw all this happen, I can't even begin to imagine. They need to block off those beaches, build a wall and let it be. Have a beach you can't use is too tempting and obviously they are doing nohting to protect it's patrons from the wildlife that live there.
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Re: Alligator drags toddler into lagoon at Disney hotel
Posted by KarenK122
This is absolutely horrific. Everyone knows there is no swimming but no swimming does not mean no wading, no playing at the shore, no splashing around. Disney is totally at fault here and although it was an accident, it was an avoidable one. That poor father that saw all this happen, I can't even begin to imagine. They need to block off those beaches, build a wall and let it be. Have a beach you can't use is too tempting and obviously they are doing nohting to protect it's patrons from the wildlife that live there.
Exactly. No swimming does not mean there are dangerous predators lurking in the water. Predators that can easily come out of that water and onto the beach as well!
You want a beach, go to the beach. The real beach. Not a sand pit around an alligator habitat.
They need to close that shit down ASAP. All of it.
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Re: Alligator drags toddler into lagoon at Disney hotel
Posted by SecretlyTTC14
I know from vacationing down there that sometimes gators get into pools and stuff, but you would assume they remove them from a resort like this. They have already captured 5 gators and haven't found any sign of the boy. They allow the wild predators to just live there and expect the guests to know better. That is negligence. Put up a f*cking sign with a gator on it and no one would go near the edge of that water.
the problem is you can remove them all you want but they will always be able to get back in. Them come through drainage pipes etc. All they can do is remove them the best they can but this is FL....you can't be gator free.
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Re: Alligator drags toddler into lagoon at Disney hotel
Posted by SecretlyTTC14
I know from vacationing down there that sometimes gators get into pools and stuff, but you would assume they remove them from a resort like this. They have already captured 5 gators and haven't found any sign of the boy. They allow the wild predators to just live there and expect the guests to know better. That is negligence. Put up a f*cking sign with a gator on it and no one would go near the edge of that water.
Yes of course!! But Disney has spent billions of dollars creating the illusion of a magical safe haven and a big sign with a picture of a dangerous predator that eats children on it might keep some people away and that would hurt their bottom line. So they put up the "No Swimming" sign, and crossed their fingers. 
I honestly can't even think about this story for too long, it's making me way too upset.
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Re: Alligator drags toddler into lagoon at Disney hotel
Posted by alli3131
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I know from vacationing down there that sometimes gators get into pools and stuff, but you would assume they remove them from a resort like this. They have already captured 5 gators and haven't found any sign of the boy. They allow the wild predators to just live there and expect the guests to know better. That is negligence. Put up a f*cking sign with a gator on it and no one would go near the edge of that water.
the problem is you can remove them all you want but they will always be able to get back in. Them come through drainage pipes etc. All they can do is remove them the best they can but this is FL....you can't be gator free.
True but setting up a beach with lounge chairs and bonfires and movie night in their natural habitat is a bad idea all around.
It would be like setting up picnic tables in the gorilla habitat at the zoo.
Stupidity.
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Re: Alligator drags toddler into lagoon at Disney hotel
Posted by alli3131
Posted by SecretlyTTC14
I know from vacationing down there that sometimes gators get into pools and stuff, but you would assume they remove them from a resort like this. They have already captured 5 gators and haven't found any sign of the boy. They allow the wild predators to just live there and expect the guests to know better. That is negligence. Put up a f*cking sign with a gator on it and no one would go near the edge of that water.
the problem is you can remove them all you want but they will always be able to get back in. Them come through drainage pipes etc. All they can do is remove them the best they can but this is FL....you can't be gator free.
The problem is they aren't removing them the best they can. They only remove the really large ones IF they can catch them. That's not doing the best you can and ok fine, even if they did the best job they actually could... there's still a chance so why not warn people with a sign that says alligators.
Disney is saying they closed that beach and others while the search continues.... why the f*ck are they calling these areas beaches if you can't go in the water. It's misleading.
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Re: Alligator drags toddler into lagoon at Disney hotel
I just keep thinking that it could have so easily been my daughter, or my friend's son, or anyone.
I am very big on rule following, especially when it comes to my kids; however, I could totally see having a brief convo with my husband.
"It says no swimming, but that doesn't mean she can't walk in the water, right? We'll be right next to her, make sure she doesn't drink the water or go too far."
Now I would never, of course, but do not blame the parents for this. They will be blaming themselves for the rest of their lives without us.
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Re: Alligator drags toddler into lagoon at Disney hotel
Posted by NervousNell
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Posted by SecretlyTTC14
I know from vacationing down there that sometimes gators get into pools and stuff, but you would assume they remove them from a resort like this. They have already captured 5 gators and haven't found any sign of the boy. They allow the wild predators to just live there and expect the guests to know better. That is negligence. Put up a f*cking sign with a gator on it and no one would go near the edge of that water.
the problem is you can remove them all you want but they will always be able to get back in. Them come through drainage pipes etc. All they can do is remove them the best they can but this is FL....you can't be gator free.
True but setting up a beach with lounge chairs and bonfires and movie night in their natural habitat is a bad idea all around.
It would be like setting up picnic tables in the gorilla habitat at the zoo.
Stupidity.
Is it really all that different though from an ocean beach resort where families go swimming and risk shark attack? I mean, I think the chances of a shark attack and alligator attack are probably about the same. I think it should be mentioned that since 1971 there's only been a handful of other incidents involving alligators and people.
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Re: Alligator drags toddler into lagoon at Disney hotel
Posted by LeeCR7
I just keep thinking that it could have so easily been my daughter, or my friend's son, or anyone.
I am very big on rule following, especially when it comes to my kids; however, I could totally see having a brief convo with my husband.
"It says no swimming, but that doesn't mean she can't walk in the water, right? We'll be right next to her, make sure she doesn't drink the water or go too far."
Now I would never, of course, but do not blame the parents for this. They will be blaming themselves for the rest of their lives without us.
This
No swimming is no swimming. Walking along the edge letting your feet get wet is not swimming
They 100% should have signs about gators there.
They dropped the ball and because of that, a 2 yr old has lost his life
So sad
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