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Re: CT shooting..god I'm not looking to start drama..but
Posted by jacquig
Sorry but did you see the pictures of him. He LOOKED crazy. NO one can convince me that his mother didn't know otherwise.
i didnt want to get involved but that is one CRAZY ass comment... i can hardly believe it was written out...
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Re: CT shooting..god I'm not looking to start drama..but
No one hear thinks he was sane. No one. However, the argument is did his mother know this was a possibility.
Honestly, what would the "signs" that your son is about to shoot you in the face four times, travel to an elementary school and kill 26 people including 20 children be?
I work with ED children everyday and every one of them is very, very disturbed. Do I think any of them can do this? No. Of course not. Could it happen? Yes. But, "locking someone away" just doesn't happen. It doesn't. I watch students completely DESTROY classrooms and beat up staff members. They are taken to the hospital and discharged in less than 2 hours when they calm down. Sometimes they are suspended for a day or two. You people have NO idea how awful the mental health field is. No idea. It is so hard when a person in under 18 and nearly impossible afterwards.
I also speak from experience because my sister is mentally ill and in her 30's. We took her to NUMC last year and she was sent home. She was threatening to kill herself to us. When she got there she clammed up. They didn't hear her say it so in their eyes it never happened. And if she did they can only hold her against her will for 72 hours.
HOWEVER, I don't think she or ANYONE for that matter needs to have assault weapons in the home. No ONE!! So I think that if she had a kid who had special needs (autism whatever) she totally was wrong for having them in the house.
But, I would venture to guess that these "signs" that everyone is looking for were the same signs that would point to depression or something. Unless he painted on his door.. I am going to kill everyone...
I do place some blame on her. I do. Those guns shouldn't have been in the house. As far as having enough money to get him help.. money doesn't mean you can get someone held against their will.
As far as the sitter.. If I had a young child with autism I would tell them not to turn their back on them. I watched a kid that I couldn't turn my back on for a second. He had LD and would get into SO much trouble. He literally climbed the curtains once. Did she say "don't turn your back because he will stab you to death?" Doubt it.
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Re: CT shooting..god I'm not looking to start drama..but
Posted by AngnShaun
Posted by jacquig
Sorry but did you see the pictures of him. He LOOKED crazy. NO one can convince me that his mother didn't know otherwise.
i didnt want to get involved but that is one CRAZY ass comment... i can hardly believe it was written out...
By that logic, every single one of my students are serial killers that should be locked up. You should see my kids.
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Re: CT shooting..god I'm not looking to start drama..but
it DOES stick in my head that he, yes did look, to US, in hindsight thatthere was something "off: about him.
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you can even see in threads here that people have friends and family members with mental illness and feel powerless about getting them help. It's VERY hard to get mental help for anyone, particularly an adult. There are people reading this thread, including me, who know people who you might have an inkling could hurt themselves or others one day, but you don't know what to do, and you also brush it off, thinking you're probably wrong, it couldn't happen. What would you do anyway? Most of these killers have no prior big incidents. not enouh to lock them up or put them in any facility.
Even that blog everyone is reading now "I am Adam Lanza's mother" shows that even if you KNOW your child has tendencies you don't know what to do. I also feel it's false because I think most parents look past things. Let's face it -There is no way you can EVER expect that anyone you know, let alone you OWN child could do something so horrific and parents can be more blind. Example - My DH has had this gaping space in his teeth since childhood. it's obvious, it's in every picture. When I finally had him to go an orthodontist it turned out he has SEVERE jaw issues that require a crazy surgery. He had braces for awhile as an adult, while contemplating the surgery and his aunt even said to his mom "I was always wondering why you never got him braces" and his mom said "I always thought his teeth were perfect". I know teeth and homicidal tendencies are 2 different things but in this case the teeth were GLARINGLY obvious to anyone who looked at DH and did cause problems down the line, but his parents were blind to it. And all of these mental issues are not so obvious. Sometimes kids are diagnosed with other issues like ADHD, Aspergers, whatever it may be, so you can easily say "Oh he has ADHD, that's why he's a little 'rambunctious'".
Not to get into too much detail, but a child I really love was diagnosed, among MANY other issues as psychotic. A psychotic child. Now, it's clear to me that this child has some issues. I would say he's a brat, he's too sensitive, etc. From the outside, you might say "oh poor kid, he has problems". But NEVER in a MILLION years would I say that this loving child is going to be a murderer. I hope and pray it never comes to that. But I think even if you know someone has problems, your mind just doesn't go there.
Without having all the facts - was it smart to have a "mentally ill" kid and have ANY guns in the house? Probably not. But imagine ANY parent saying "I can't hanve guns because my child might murder someone someday". That's a HUGE leap.
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Re: CT shooting..god I'm not looking to start drama..but
Posted by AngnShaun
Posted by jacquig
Sorry but did you see the pictures of him. He LOOKED crazy. NO one can convince me that his mother didn't know otherwise.
i didnt want to get involved but that is one CRAZY ass comment... i can hardly believe it was written out...
How is that a crazy ass comment? Did you see the picture? The mother KNEW something was wrong with her son KNEW it so why would she keep guns in her house? Her son was mentally unstable. PERIOD. Maybe she never fathomed he would shoot her in the face and kill 26 people including 20 innocent kids but don't kid yourself. She knew he was not your average child with average behaviors.
As a parent of a small child I am responsible for keeping things that can harm her out of her reach. ME! That means I don't leave scissors or knives around in the open where she can access them easily. That's flucking common sense.
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Re: CT shooting..god I'm not looking to start drama..but
Posted by nraboni
Please read this I am Adam Lanza's Mother
Mental Illness is a taboo subject, especially in higher income families. I cannot speak for his mother nor am I defending her in any way but maybe she didn't know what to do or how to handle it. Maybe the "taboo" of it had her in denial.
even so, she shouldnt have taken him to target practice and actually teach him how to use a gun.
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Re: CT shooting..god I'm not looking to start drama..but
Posted by jacquig
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Posted by jacquig
Sorry but did you see the pictures of him. He LOOKED crazy. NO one can convince me that his mother didn't know otherwise.
i didnt want to get involved but that is one CRAZY ass comment... i can hardly believe it was written out...
How is that a crazy ass comment? Did you see the picture? The mother KNEW something was wrong with her son KNEW it so why would she keep guns in her house? Her son was mentally unstable. PERIOD. Maybe she never fathomed he would shoot her in the face and kill 26 people including 20 innocent kids but don't kid yourself. She knew he was not your average child with average behaviors.
As a parent of a small child I am responsible for keeping things that can harm her out of her reach. ME! That means I don't leave scissors or knives around in the open where she can access them easily. That's flucking common sense.
of course the media is going to use the photo that depicts the murderer looking as crazy as possible. Have you seen his other photos? he looked like a normal boy. And if you KNOW that the mother knew that he was insane and capable of doing what he did then maybe you can help the people doing the investigation because it sounds like you have the concrete evidence they are looking for.
So he got a little awkward as he got older...That means people should have KNOWN this man was capable of shooting up a school full of children? I can show you some of my old drivers licenses that look like they could be in some news article. I look like I want to vomit in one of them...after waiting on line for 2 hours in manhattan and being cut in line by a bum who smelled of vodka and piss and was trying to hit on me...I was NOT a happy camper and that picture looked like it could easily be the the mug shot of mad woman.
You only KNOW what random people have said...some of them complete strangers to this family...and all the stories say something different. I don't understand why it's so difficult to just wait until we have the facts before placing blame on a woman who is dead and cannot tell her side of the story.
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Re: CT shooting..god I'm not looking to start drama..but
The thing is. EVERYONE is crazy at the time of a murder. If I'm not mistaken that was discussed earlier in the thread. Nobody is doubting or debating that this man had to be crazy to do what he did. Anybody that would do that is crazy. But people snap all the time too and often times people don't see the change or the warning signs if there are any. The point that was being debated was NOT wether or not he was crazy at the time of the murder. I think we can all agree that answer would be resounding YES!
The point that was brought up is, was this a pre-existing mental illness or condition? and as far as that is concerned there is not enough information at this time to make the conclusion that he had been mentally ill or had a disorder in the years leading up to this that would have given the mother red flags. According to the report about her conversation with a friend at a bar she did notice something ..but we don't know to what extent or anything for sure yet. All we we have so far is hearsay, but the people who went to school with him every day in the years leading up to this say he was just quiet, not crazy. His classmates said he was a nice person, but on the quiet side.
and to the person who said the other commenter was putting the mother on a pedestal as the epitome of parenting...that's just crazy. Nobody said that ever. we just don't know! and when someone says "just look at him, he doesn't look normal" well...of course the media is going to put the craziest looking photo more in rotation than the others. I just did an image search to see how many times that one creepy image came up vs the other photos where he looked more normal. It looks like that creepy one was an id of some sort. Wanna look at my ID photo? good god, I look like I want to throw up in my id photo...there was a bum who smelled like alcohol, piss and god knows what else breathing in my face and hitting on me before they took my photo. I'm sure we have all had an id photo where we said  it looks like a mug shot or something.
I'm not doubting the odds that he very well could have been crazy before all this...and his access to guns while in the mental state to do such a horrible thing is concerning / alarming...but I'll wait until I have more facts before I put more blame on the mom than I do on the shooter because I don't know the full story or how he obtained the guns from his mother just yet.
I thought this country's legal system was based on innocent until proven guilty?
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Re: CT shooting..god I'm not looking to start drama..but
Posted by MrsMeloyellow
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Posted by jacquig
Sorry but did you see the pictures of him. He LOOKED crazy. NO one can convince me that his mother didn't know otherwise.
i didnt want to get involved but that is one CRAZY ass comment... i can hardly believe it was written out...
How is that a crazy ass comment? Did you see the picture? The mother KNEW something was wrong with her son KNEW it so why would she keep guns in her house? Her son was mentally unstable. PERIOD. Maybe she never fathomed he would shoot her in the face and kill 26 people including 20 innocent kids but don't kid yourself. She knew he was not your average child with average behaviors.
As a parent of a small child I am responsible for keeping things that can harm her out of her reach. ME! That means I don't leave scissors or knives around in the open where she can access them easily. That's flucking common sense.
of course the media is going to use the photo that depicts the murderer looking as crazy as possible. Have you seen his other photos? he looked like a normal boy. And if you KNOW that the mother knew that he was insane and capable of doing what he did then maybe you can help the people doing the investigation because it sounds like you have the concrete evidence they are looking for.
So he got a little awkward as he got older...That means people should have KNOWN this man was capable of shooting up a school full of children? I can show you some of my old drivers licenses that look like they could be in some news article. I look like I want to vomit in one of them...after waiting on line for 2 hours in manhattan and being cut in line by a bum who smelled of vodka and piss and was trying to hit on me...I was NOT a happy camper and that picture looked like it could easily be the the mug shot of mad woman.
You only KNOW what random people have said...some of them complete strangers to this family...and all the stories say something different. I don't understand why it's so difficult to just wait until we have the facts before placing blame on a woman who is dead and cannot tell her side of the story.
Seriously people with the damn PC...the bottom line is he was mentally unstable. PERIOD. He should not have had shooting guns as a hobby nor should he have had access to numerous automatic weapons. Even if he didn't commit these murders he was mentally UNSTABLE...why would you want guns around your child or any loved one who has mental issues much less teach them how to use it. And sorry but the picture is painted really clear. He was not your average boy. Common sense....just plalin ole common sense. Apparently something that lacks in this country.
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Re: CT shooting..god I'm not looking to start drama..but
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Posted by jacquig
Sorry but did you see the pictures of him. He LOOKED crazy. NO one can convince me that his mother didn't know otherwise.
i didnt want to get involved but that is one CRAZY ass comment... i can hardly believe it was written out...
How is that a crazy ass comment? Did you see the picture? The mother KNEW something was wrong with her son KNEW it so why would she keep guns in her house? Her son was mentally unstable. PERIOD. Maybe she never fathomed he would shoot her in the face and kill 26 people including 20 innocent kids but don't kid yourself. She knew he was not your average child with average behaviors.
As a parent of a small child I am responsible for keeping things that can harm her out of her reach. ME! That means I don't leave scissors or knives around in the open where she can access them easily. That's flucking common sense.
of course the media is going to use the photo that depicts the murderer looking as crazy as possible. Have you seen his other photos? he looked like a normal boy. And if you KNOW that the mother knew that he was insane and capable of doing what he did then maybe you can help the people doing the investigation because it sounds like you have the concrete evidence they are looking for.
So he got a little awkward as he got older...That means people should have KNOWN this man was capable of shooting up a school full of children? I can show you some of my old drivers licenses that look like they could be in some news article. I look like I want to vomit in one of them...after waiting on line for 2 hours in manhattan and being cut in line by a bum who smelled of vodka and piss and was trying to hit on me...I was NOT a happy camper and that picture looked like it could easily be the the mug shot of mad woman.
You only KNOW what random people have said...some of them complete strangers to this family...and all the stories say something different. I don't understand why it's so difficult to just wait until we have the facts before placing blame on a woman who is dead and cannot tell her side of the story.
Seriously people with the damn PC...the bottom line is he was mentally unstable. PERIOD. He should not have had shooting guns as a hobby nor should he have had access to numerous automatic weapons. Even if he didn't commit these murders he was mentally UNSTABLE...why would you want guns around your child or any loved one who has mental issues much less teach them how to use it. And sorry but the picture is painted really clear. He was not your average boy. Common sense....just plalin ole common sense. Apparently something that lacks in this country.
not gonna argue back and forth bc you keep insisting you KNOW he was unstable...and nobody has confirmed anything.
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Re: CT shooting..god I'm not looking to start drama..but
I'm just going to come right down to it and say that I will question the sanity of ANY mother that takes her son to shooting ranges to shoot automatic weapons at designated targets as a bonding experience, then goes ahead and keeps them in her home. Even if her child was 100% mentally stable. Even if it were June and Theodore Cleaver themselves skipping to the gun range hand in hand. End of story for me. That's all I needed to hear to judge mom as partially at fault IMO. Like I said before, I don't give a flying fukk how responsible she was with her weapons. They were still used against her and countless victims. You can feel how you choose to feel about it. That can be something that is totally appropriate in your home and an acceptable bonding experience with your child. I will choose to feel how I feel about it. I don't need you to convince me otherwise.
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Re: CT shooting..god I'm not looking to start drama..but
Posted by computergirl
Most parents just don't see their child the way outsiders might see them. That's like saying every mom on the parenting board who talks about their "spirited" child is in denial and is failing their kid, because realistically their child sounds like a spoiled brat.
But that's exactly my point. How is the parent's denial helping their child at all? Unfortunately though, in this society, so many parents have become complete enablers for their kids. How many times do parents go to bat against teachers and school admin and mindlessly repeat the mantra "not my angel... my kid would never do that!".... while their kid runs amok... and it's so obvious to EVERYONE but the parents that their kid is no angel. It happens everyday. It's part of the reason teachers feel powerless.
(This is not directed to any particular parents on the parenting board, or even this lady and her kid because we don't know much of ANYTHING about them yet... Just a general statement about parents who turn a blind eye to their kid's behavior because they can't accept it)
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CT shooting..god I'm not looking to start drama..but
I don't fault anyone for feeling as they do as this is such a tragic event and conjures up lots of emotion.
I think people need someone to blame and I can understand that.
That being said, I have yet to read anything negative about the mother from any of her friends. Instead, I see more people blaming her than Adam Lanza.
He also was not a little boy. He was an adult. He was 20 and while I'm no expert, he may have had autism or aspergers to a degree and may have had an unrelated and undiagnosed psychotic break from reality.
The fact that he was 20 leads me to believe he may have started to become bipolar on a severe level. I say that because late teens and early 20s is when it usually rears its head.
This clearly sounds to me like a psychotic episode.
If people said he killed animals for fun or tortured them or threatened to kill others, I could see blaming the mom for owning weapons.
However there seems to be no documented evidence yet - no computer history of internet searches or plans or history of deviant behavior. That's why I don't rush to judge the mom. Perhaps this all does exist and may be withheld for now? Who knows.
Comparing him to James Holmes - there's a lot of comparisons - a loner, meek, no deviant behavior in their history, and a sudden killing spree after accessing weapons.
Just my thoughts - not judging how anyone feels or justifying anything.
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CT shooting..god I'm not looking to start drama..but
Also want to add - i find it interesting that recent shooters were brilliant and geniuses. Sometimes I wonder if that may go hand in hand with some sort of brain imbalance? Not for all people of course, just wondering if there could be a link.
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Re: CT shooting..god I'm not looking to start drama..but
Posted by MC09
Posted by computergirl
Most parents just don't see their child the way outsiders might see them. That's like saying every mom on the parenting board who talks about their "spirited" child is in denial and is failing their kid, because realistically their child sounds like a spoiled brat.
But that's exactly my point. How is the parent's denial helping their child at all? Unfortunately though, in this society, so many parents have become complete enablers for their kids. How many times do parents go to bat against teachers and school admin and mindlessly repeat the mantra "not my angel... my kid would never do that!".... while their kid runs amok... and it's so obvious to EVERYONE but the parents that their kid is no angel. It happens everyday.
(This is not directed to any particular parents on the parenting board, or even this lady and her kid because we don't know much of ANYTHING about them yet... Just a general statement about parents who turn a blind eye to their kid's behavior because they can't accept it)
I agree but I am not sure it can be fully blamed on society and the way people parent today. No one wants to believe someone they love so much could be capable of such pure evil. And it doesnt only apply to our children. How many people turn a blind eye to a cheating spouse or allow themselves to be mistreated by a family member. Obviously that is no where near the same scale of mass murder but love is a very powerful emotion. Much like denial, it can make you pretend a problem does not exist because you only want to see the best in those you love.
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Re: CT shooting..god I'm not looking to start drama..but
Posted by MrsMeloyellow
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Posted by AngnShaun
Posted by jacquigyu
Sorry but did you see the pictures of him. He LOOKED crazy. NO one can convince me that his mother didn't know otherwise.
i didnt want to get involved but that is one CRAZY ass comment... i can hardly believe it was written out...
How is that a crazy ass comment? Did you see the picture? The mother KNEW something was wrong with her son KNEW it so why would she keep guns in her house? Her son was mentally unstable. PERIOD. Maybe she never fathomed he would shoot her in the face and kill 26 people including 20 innocent kids but don't kid yourself. She knew he was not your average child with average behaviors.
As a parent of a small child I am responsible for keeping things that can harm her out of her reach. ME! That means I don't leave scissors or knives around in the open where she can access them easily. That's flucking common sense.
of course the media is going to use the photo that depicts the murderer looking as crazy as possible. Have you seen his other photos? he looked like a normal boy. And if you KNOW that the mother knew that he was insane and capable of doing what he did then maybe you can help the people doing the investigation because it sounds like you have the concrete evidence they are looking for.
So he got a little awkward as he got older...That means people should have KNOWN this man was capable of shooting up a school full of children? I can show you some of my old drivers licenses that look like they could be in some news article. I look like I want to vomit in one of them...after waiting on line for 2 hours in manhattan and being cut in line by a bum who smelled of vodka and piss and was trying to hit on me...I was NOT a happy camper and that picture looked like it could easily be the the mug shot of mad woman.
You only KNOW what random people have said...some of them complete strangers to this family...and all the stories say something different. I don't understand why it's so difficult to just wait until we have the facts before placing blame on a woman who is dead and cannot tell her side of the story.
Seriously people with the damn PC...the bottom line is he was mentally unstable. PERIOD. He should not have had shooting guns as a hobby nor should he have had access to numerous automatic weapons. Even if he didn't commit these murders he was mentally UNSTABLE...why would you want guns around your child or any loved one who has mental issues much less teach them how to use it. And sorry but the picture is painted really clear. He was not your average boy. Common sense....just plalin ole common sense. Apparently something that lacks in this country.
not gonna argue back and forth bc you keep insisting you KNOW he was unstable...and nobody has confirmed anything.
You know he was mentally well? A kid who was pulled out of school for issues and basically isolated from society because of socialization issues facts proven was mentally well? Someone about to be commuted by his own mother who herself said she was worried about him was mentally well? Yeah OK
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Re: CT shooting..god I'm not looking to start drama..but
Posted by MrsMeloyellow
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Sorry but did you see the pictures of him. He LOOKED crazy. NO one can convince me that his mother didn't know otherwise.
i didnt want to get involved but that is one CRAZY ass comment... i can hardly believe it was written out...
How is that a crazy ass comment? Did you see the picture? The mother KNEW something was wrong with her son KNEW it so why would she keep guns in her house? Her son was mentally unstable. PERIOD. Maybe she never fathomed he would shoot her in the face and kill 26 people including 20 innocent kids but don't kid yourself. She knew he was not your average child with average behaviors.
As a parent of a small child I am responsible for keeping things that can harm her out of her reach. ME! That means I don't leave scissors or knives around in the open where she can access them easily. That's flucking common sense.
of course the media is going to use the photo that depicts the murderer looking as crazy as possible. Have you seen his other photos? he looked like a normal boy. And if you KNOW that the mother knew that he was insane and capable of doing what he did then maybe you can help the people doing the investigation because it sounds like you have the concrete evidence they are looking for.
So he got a little awkward as he got older...That means people should have KNOWN this man was capable of shooting up a school full of children? I can show you some of my old drivers licenses that look like they could be in some news article. I look like I want to vomit in one of them...after waiting on line for 2 hours in manhattan and being cut in line by a bum who smelled of vodka and piss and was trying to hit on me...I was NOT a happy camper and that picture looked like it could easily be the the mug shot of mad woman.
You only KNOW what random people have said...some of them complete strangers to this family...and all the stories say something different. I don't understand why it's so difficult to just wait until we have the facts before placing blame on a woman who is dead and cannot tell her side of the story.
Seriously people with the damn PC...the bottom line is he was mentally unstable. PERIOD. He should not have had shooting guns as a hobby nor should he have had access to numerous automatic weapons. Even if he didn't commit these murders he was mentally UNSTABLE...why would you want guns around your child or any loved one who has mental issues much less teach them how to use it. And sorry but the picture is painted really clear. He was not your average boy. Common sense....just plalin ole common sense. Apparently something that lacks in this country.
not gonna argue back and forth bc you keep insisting you KNOW he was unstable...and nobody has confirmed anything.
You know he was mentally well? A kid who was pulled out of school for issues and basically isolated from society because of socialization issues facts proven was mentally well? Someone about to be commuted by his own mother who herself said she was worried about him was mentally well? Yeah OK
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Re: CT shooting..god I'm not looking to start drama..but
Serious question, for those who believe he was mental sane. What do you think caused him to do this?
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CT shooting..god I'm not looking to start drama..but
I am obviouly in the minority, but I am disgusted that media & ppl are dragging this dead woman who was killed by her own child through the mud and attacking her. she isnt here to defend herself so its hard for me to judge especially on hearsay and meaningless facts. Could she have been a horrible mother, ofcourse but she also could have been a great mom.
I havent seen any proof. The only fact I have is that her son did a sadistic, evil & unfathomable act that sends shiver down my spine, aches in my heart and tears to my eyes when i think about it. And I dont think anyone on this board disagrees with this, no matter what our difference of opinion is on blame/no blame.
Im sure if I was a parent to any of these victims I would probably feel differently. But the fact is the mom was a victim. And no one knows what transpired right before,what she thought, what was discussed or what she tried to do to stop her child at that moment when she was facing death.
Idk the media coverage and ppls spin on it has sickened me and I avoid FB and news coverage on it. I only read what has been posted on hear cause I feel all angles will be discussed.
I just am saddened and pray for all the victims, their friends and families and the lives that this has personally touched.
Message edited 12/19/2012 6:58:32 PM.
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| Posted 12/19/12 6:56 PM |
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hotsauce345
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Re: CT shooting..god I'm not looking to start drama..but
Posted by maybemommy10
Serious question, for those who believe he was mental sane. What do you think caused him to do this?
I don't think he was sane when he did it. I don't think anyone does. How could anyone possibly be. I just don't think her taking him out of school and homeschooling him is necessarily indicative of him being mentally ill. He could have just had a hard time articulating bc he was a genius or maybe he wasn't challenged and they weren't doing enough to keep his interest.
My nephew has a very high IQ...he always finished his school work before anybody else. The school didn't know what to do with him so the teachers just had him walk around and help others with their assignments. That's not fair to him and his need to learn at a different pace. KWIM? They needed to explore other options. I wouldn't call that a disability or mental illness...he could have just had trouble learning in that environment. His aunt actually said "he had trouble learning" she didn't say he was crazy...just that he was a challenge.
the reports have said everything from he had aspergers, to mental illness, to being a deranged goth to ...there was nothing telling about anything being wrong with him...too many stories and they are all over the place.
Message edited 12/19/2012 7:07:12 PM.
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| Posted 12/19/12 7:03 PM |
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donegal419
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Re: CT shooting..god I'm not looking to start drama..but
Posted by MrsProfessor
She was well-off enough financially to get him the best help money could buy- she got over $200k a year in alimony- so yeah, she needs to bear some of the blame, if not all. I suppose there's a chance the guns were well-secured but she should have gotten rid of them altogether.
I have to disagree. While yes, having guns in your home with someone that is unstable is not smart, having a large amount of money doesn't matter When you're dealing with someone that is severely mentall ill. No amount of money can get them into Treatment, to actually follow through on therapy and/or meds., etc. once the person is 18, there is Literally nothing you can do to make them get help unless you can get them committed and that is extremely difficult. Your hands are Literally tied.
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| Posted 12/19/12 9:09 PM |
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Jugglemom
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Re: CT shooting..god I'm not looking to start drama..but
Posted by maybemommy10
Serious question, for those who believe he was mental sane. What do you think caused him to do this?
I feel like a broken record. NO ONE thinks he was sane - there is NO doubt about his being incredibly sick and twisted. The only question for most of us in this thread is whether, aside from the alleged aspergers, his mother KNEW that there was something amiss or violent before the fact.
Also, the story about being committed by his mother was denied as false by the pastor whose son gave the interview.
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| Posted 12/19/12 9:14 PM |
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maybemommy10
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Re: CT shooting..god I'm not looking to start drama..but
Posted by Jugglemom
Posted by maybemommy10
Serious question, for those who believe he was mental sane. What do you think caused him to do this?
I feel like a broken record. NO ONE thinks he was sane - there is NO doubt about his being incredibly sick and twisted. The only question for most of us in this thread is whether, aside from the alleged aspergers, his mother KNEW that there was something amiss or violent before the fact.
Also, the story about being committed by his mother was denied as false by the pastor whose son gave the interview.
then i wasn't addressing you. the people who keep asking for a full investigation and confirmation that he was mental. i have seen many people saying "how do we KNOW...it was never confirmed...we don't really KNOW ..."
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| Posted 12/19/12 9:20 PM |
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maybemommy10
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Re: CT shooting..god I'm not looking to start drama..but
Posted by 2BadSoSad
Posted by PeasandCarrots
Posted by MrsA1012
I think we can ALL agree that leaving those types of weapons around such a sick kid was NOT a good idea.
"Such a sick kid" based on what? What ACTUAL proof or evidence do we have. NONE of the reports out so far, even the hear say ones SAY he was violent. They say he was "troubled" an "outcast". Please if you have a link post it. I am more then willing to say I was wrong, but so far all we have is a bunch of people who are "sources" saying he was troubled yet not elaborating. It's like we are all playing telephone. He was troubled has turned into he is "such a sick kid" and so on. If you(being general here) were to God forbid do something like this some day what would people say about you? These "interviews" are from people who have not seen him in years, and the ones that are talking like Goobster posted are hear say. He heard it from someone and is talking to the media.
How is he NOT troubled and a sick kid, he killed 20 babies?
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| Posted 12/19/12 9:21 PM |
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maybemommy10
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Re: CT shooting..god I'm not looking to start drama..but
Posted by PeasandCarrots
I am seriously fuming! We know NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING except what some people are "saying". NOBODY has confirmed a flucking thing. Look I get the rage I do, but as someone who has a family member that is "odd", doesn't look people in the eyes, doesn't socially engage, seems weird, and all of the above mentioned I am seriously pissssed! My family member has Autism. He is a flucking GENIUS. My Uncle is a State Trooper who has guns in his house. Has taught ALL his kids to shoot, and nobody NOBODY has ever thought twice about it. JUST BECAUSE you are "odd" or have one of the other 123879817243 things people are saying about this asshat MURDERER does NOT mean you are violent, or that YOU will create a mass murder. MILLIONS of people have mental, developmental, and physical disorders and yet DO NOT go on a rampage. It's one thing to question the mother about the guns, but it's another to say you have no sympathy for a women that was MURDERED IN HER SLEEP. If that's the case and she could have stopped it with not having guns are you saying someone who looks slutty is asking to be raped? If she would have just wore a turtle neck and jeans she wouldn't have been targeted. Yea I blame her for being raped and he was just taking what he could since it was there and seemed available.
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