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Re: CT shooting..god I'm not looking to start drama..but
Posted by Goobster
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and no i have no sympathy and i cant for the life of me understand why people are defending the woman who literally PUT THE GUN and knowledge on how to use one, in that sick fuks hands.
twenty babies are going in the ground and she could have stopped that.
 To me this is the crux of this tragedy.
Nope, no sympathy what so ever. As I said way earlier, I blame her and the father for raising a sociopath and doing nothing about it...in fact contributed to it. They had the means to get him help. H@ll she got close to $300,000 this year alone in ALIMONY, forget about child support. From the little we know, she seems pretty disturbed too. We need to start holding parents accountable for doing a awful jobs in raising their children.
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CT shooting..god I'm not looking to start drama..but
I think we can ALL agree that leaving those types of weapons around such a sick kid was NOT a good idea.
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Re: CT shooting..god I'm not looking to start drama..but
Posted by MrsMeloyellow
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Here's where i'm coming from
Cousin- Autism is a genius, sweetest kid you could know. LOves peole, animals, shooting with his State Trooper Dad, drawing. Gets pleasures out of taking the bus to his volunteer job. DOesn't make eye contact, is socially akward, and "weird
Uncle- life of the party, is very engaging, appears to be a loving man. HE IS A SOCIOPATH. He is someone that would kill people....not my autistic cousin.
wait...uncle as in, the trooper dad? or different uncle? bc if the dad is a sociopath with access to guns and is teaching his son about guns...then that would be cause for alarm.
Different Uncle. Not the Trooper.
My point is there is also a difference between mental instability and a developmental disorder.
As for the guns, like I said we are all doing A LOT of speculating and finger pointing at this mother. We don't know anything more than she had guns somewhere in her home, and it is being said she took him shooting to learn about the respect one should have for a gun. It was also reported that he had that respect and enjoyed shooting. We don't know how often he went or how long ago it was. It is of course speculation...ALL OF IT IS.
I am seriously just baffled that people are not only blaming this mother but saying it's because of her he did this! I just don't understand the logic...I really don't. People who want to commit a crime do it somehow someway. For all we know these guns were in a safe and he destroyed it to get to them. It is HER RIGHT to have guns in her home. If she took all the proper precautions how is it her fault? We all live in glass houses. Have you never served alcohol at a party where someone there *might* have been an alcoholic? Have you ever had people over and *thought* someone may be a pedophile? The point is there is NO evidence to suggest he WAS violent up until this point. Nobody here is perfect and I bet we have all had thoughts about someone and yet never imagined they were true. I want to blame someone too, it helps, but blaming a women who was shot in the face while sleeping is just wrong IMHO.
As for the I am Adam'smother blog post...I find it disgusting. I do. I feel for THAT mother and HER struggle, but to make it sound like she is speaking for all the other mass murderer's mother's is IMHO wrong. WE DON"T KNOW if any of this happened in their home, not if he was a violent mentally disabled person. It's one thing to say look it's hard to really get a handle on this, but it's another to defend mass murderers.
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Re: CT shooting..god I'm not looking to start drama..but
Posted by MrsA1012
I think we can ALL agree that leaving those types of weapons around such a sick kid was NOT a good idea.
"Such a sick kid" based on what? What ACTUAL proof or evidence do we have. NONE of the reports out so far, even the hear say ones SAY he was violent. They say he was "troubled" an "outcast". Please if you have a link post it. I am more then willing to say I was wrong, but so far all we have is a bunch of people who are "sources" saying he was troubled yet not elaborating. It's like we are all playing telephone. He was troubled has turned into he is "such a sick kid" and so on. If you(being general here) were to God forbid do something like this some day what would people say about you? These "interviews" are from people who have not seen him in years, and the ones that are talking like Goobster posted are hear say. He heard it from someone and is talking to the media.
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Re: CT shooting..god I'm not looking to start drama..but
Posted by PeasandCarrots
Posted by MrsA1012
I think we can ALL agree that leaving those types of weapons around such a sick kid was NOT a good idea.
"Such a sick kid" based on what? What ACTUAL proof or evidence do we have. NONE of the reports out so far, even the hear say ones SAY he was violent. They say he was "troubled" an "outcast". Please if you have a link post it. I am more then willing to say I was wrong, but so far all we have is a bunch of people who are "sources" saying he was troubled yet not elaborating. It's like we are all playing telephone. He was troubled has turned into he is "such a sick kid" and so on. If you(being general here) were to God forbid do something like this some day what would people say about you? These "interviews" are from people who have not seen him in years, and the ones that are talking like Goobster posted are hear say. He heard it from someone and is talking to the media.
How is he NOT troubled and a sick kid, he killed 20 babies?
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Re: CT shooting..god I'm not looking to start drama..but
Posted by PeasandCarrots
Posted by MrsA1012
I think we can ALL agree that leaving those types of weapons around such a sick kid was NOT a good idea.
"Such a sick kid" based on what? What ACTUAL proof or evidence do we have. NONE of the reports out so far, even the hear say ones SAY he was violent. They say he was "troubled" an "outcast". Please if you have a link post it. I am more then willing to say I was wrong, but so far all we have is a bunch of people who are "sources" saying he was troubled yet not elaborating. It's like we are all playing telephone. He was troubled has turned into he is "such a sick kid" and so on. If you(being general here) were to God forbid do something like this some day what would people say about you? These "interviews" are from people who have not seen him in years, and the ones that are talking like Goobster posted are hear say. He heard it from someone and is talking to the media.
Really?? Are you serious? Based on what?! What actual evidence is there?!? ....... Based on the actual evidence that he slaughtered 20 babies and 6 innocent adults, not to mention his own mother IN.THE.FUKKING.FACE while she slept. That's what it's based on. That's enough evidence for me. What more do I need to hear to solidify for me that this was a sick fukked up lunatic? That he tortured pets on the weekends too??? What will that change? Do you need more proof that this was a sick kid? What will that proof tell you? That he *was* a troubled and deranged fukk up capable of gunning down a school? Well, we already know that.... I guess you don't consider his actions that of "such a sick kid" until you hear more.... I do. Do you call that a reasonably sane and well-adjusted individual?? Do you not consider someone that can look a baby in the eyes and kill them a twisted, sick SICK monster? Do you honestly think there absolutely weren't ANY signs and red flags going off around this kid that *possibly* could have been ignored by his family and swept under the rug... that *possibly* could have caused his mother to pull him out of school and home school him (when they lived in a good school district in an affluent area)... that *possibly* could've been why she was considering uprooting herself and moving across the country to get her son into a college that could help him turn his life around? *Most* parents just kiss their kid goodbye, wish them luck in college, and anxiously await their return for the holidays. It's part of helping them become independent adults. They don't pick up and follow their kid to college. Unless they had reason to. Do you think he was just having a bad day?? Another case of the infamous LIF diabetic?
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. If some people want to blame his mother (and father) it is their right. Just like it is your right to hold her in high regard as the epitome of good parenting. Just because someone doesn't agree with you or has a different perspective than you does not give you the right to repeatedly bash them over the head with YOUR belief until they adopt your way of thinking. Enough. 26 families are burying their babies and loved ones who sacrificed their own life to save the children entrusted in their care. His mother has just as much blood on her hands as her son does for his actions... EVEN IF this irresponsible woman was mother of the year (who just so happened to reason within herself that the only way to bond with her troubled son was to shoot at targets together... and just so happened to think it was okay to keep semi-automatic and/or automatic weapons in the home she shared with her troubled son) her weapons + her deranged son's killing spree = her fault just as much as his. Yes, he is the one that pulled the trigger... but she provided the gun. I DON'T CARE if they were safely locked up and she followed all the proper gun safety protocol. A lot of good that did! Ultimately, they were still HER guns that took innocent lives... These guns were not used for self-defense. They were used to slaughter children. CHILDREN!!! As far as I'm concerned, this woman (through her irresponsible and naive actions) laid out all the necessary groundwork for her son to carry out the perfect shitstorm he did that cut short too many young lives. And she wasn't even around long enough to bear witness to it! And no amount of back and forth with you, or anyone, will get me to change my mind. Just like I won't change yours. I've accepted that. You should, too.
I don't blame these poor families one bit for being upset that HER name and face is on the list of victims, right along with their baby's name and picture... when it was HER firearm that killed them in cold blood while they stood terrified in a classroom. Can you???
Seriously, get off your soapbox already.
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Re: CT shooting..god I'm not looking to start drama..but
Posted by PeasandCarrots
Posted by MrsA1012
I think we can ALL agree that leaving those types of weapons around such a sick kid was NOT a good idea.
"Such a sick kid" based on what? What ACTUAL proof or evidence do we have. NONE of the reports out so far, even the hear say ones SAY he was violent. They say he was "troubled" an "outcast". Please if you have a link post it. I am more then willing to say I was wrong, but so far all we have is a bunch of people who are "sources" saying he was troubled yet not elaborating. It's like we are all playing telephone. He was troubled has turned into he is "such a sick kid" and so on. If you(being general here) were to God forbid do something like this some day what would people say about you? These "interviews" are from people who have not seen him in years, and the ones that are talking like Goobster posted are hear say. He heard it from someone and is talking to the media.
Are you for real???? He walked into a school and opened fire on a bunch of innocent children and adults AND killed his own mother. He is not only a sicko but BEYOND f***ked up. I don't give a cr@p about being politically correct here. Who the hell cares who says what or what his issue was....................troubled, sick, anti social, blah blah blah. He was a f***ed up psychopath, cold blooded killer. I have no interest in understanding him or not "labeling him". Good lord, call a spade a spade here........the dude was a sicko. You HAVE to be to do what he did.
And I am sorry but have you seen his picture????!!!! Need we say more???? Looked liked a crazed lunatic.
You can't be serious with this reply. Proof??? Your proof is the 20+ dead babies and adults he left in the wake of his sick rampage. Thank god he is dead.........hope the "outcast", "troubled" sicko burns in hell.
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Re: CT shooting..god I'm not looking to start drama..but
Posted by PeasandCarrots
Posted by MrsMeloyellow
Posted by PeasandCarrots
Here's where i'm coming from
Cousin- Autism is a genius, sweetest kid you could know. LOves peole, animals, shooting with his State Trooper Dad, drawing. Gets pleasures out of taking the bus to his volunteer job. DOesn't make eye contact, is socially akward, and "weird
Uncle- life of the party, is very engaging, appears to be a loving man. HE IS A SOCIOPATH. He is someone that would kill people....not my autistic cousin.
wait...uncle as in, the trooper dad? or different uncle? bc if the dad is a sociopath with access to guns and is teaching his son about guns...then that would be cause for alarm.
Different Uncle. Not the Trooper.
My point is there is also a difference between mental instability and a developmental disorder.
As for the guns, like I said we are all doing A LOT of speculating and finger pointing at this mother. We don't know anything more than she had guns somewhere in her home, and it is being said she took him shooting to learn about the respect one should have for a gun. It was also reported that he had that respect and enjoyed shooting. We don't know how often he went or how long ago it was. It is of course speculation...ALL OF IT IS.
I am seriously just baffled that people are not only blaming this mother but saying it's because of her he did this! I just don't understand the logic...I really don't. People who want to commit a crime do it somehow someway. For all we know these guns were in a safe and he destroyed it to get to them. It is HER RIGHT to have guns in her home. If she took all the proper precautions how is it her fault? We all live in glass houses. Have you never served alcohol at a party where someone there *might* have been an alcoholic? Have you ever had people over and *thought* someone may be a pedophile? The point is there is NO evidence to suggest he WAS violent up until this point. Nobody here is perfect and I bet we have all had thoughts about someone and yet never imagined they were true. I want to blame someone too, it helps, but blaming a women who was shot in the face while sleeping is just wrong IMHO.
As for the I am Adam'smother blog post...I find it disgusting. I do. I feel for THAT mother and HER struggle, but to make it sound like she is speaking for all the other mass murderer's mother's is IMHO wrong. WE DON"T KNOW if any of this happened in their home, not if he was a violent mentally disabled person. It's one thing to say look it's hard to really get a handle on this, but it's another to defend mass murderers.
Seriously...........just look at that kids picture. He looked "normal" to you??!!! Don't give me that cr@p that he showed no tendencies before and there was no way his mother would've known. I don't just don't buy that. Normal functioning people don't wake up, kill their mom, and then proceed to open fire on a school of children. There HAD to be signs and as a parent it is your job to pick up on these things. And that arsenal she had in her house was insane and yes, I do partly blame her. She failed as a parent.........look what her son did. Sorry but some blame surely falls on her. NO way this kid was "normal" and wonderful and awesome and just woke up one day and did this. Give me a break. Zero sympathy for her and her crazy son..
It sickens me that anyone would give either him or even is mom the benefit of the doubt. I just can't. What he did was beyond comprehension and I just cannot see a parent not knowing or having a sense that something was seriously wrong with their kid. I just don't buy it.
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Re: CT shooting..god I'm not looking to start drama..but
Posted by LadyBug1209
I feel the same way...
If your son was that mentally ill and unstable, why on earth would you have SEVERAL guns within his reach? That is just a recipe for disaster.
I feel the EXACT same way! She should have addressed his mental issues as well as keeping him safe, period!
ETA: Why the "mental illness" card? Does it make this whole situation better? Do we feel bad for this kid then?
I don't! He made a choice! He grabbed those guns and did what he did. He was calculating, evil and just a plain sick f---! I know someone with Aspbergers and he is VERY intelligent. He knows right from wrong. He is not crazed, just different. And he's an adult. AND he wouldn't go into a classroom and kill CHILDREN!
The mental illness thing- YES, it needs to be addressed. YES, people need to do more. BUT, in this kid's case- his mother screwed up. SHE should have had her home safe from guns and not within his reach. I blame her and always will. The Father too.
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CT shooting..god I'm not looking to start drama..but
Ok so we will blame all parents whose kids commit any crime, because they failed their child? If this kid had no past istory of violence how in the world would a mother assume he would be capable of commiting this murder or any murder for that matter.
If my kid is anti social and depressed, no way in hell would I ever think he would commit any type of murder unless he was A. Violent, or B. spoke of doing something. Maybe that makes me naive, but if there are no clear signs then I guess I am.
We don't know when she brought him to shooting ranges, it could have been 10 years ago, it could have been a week ago.
It's so easy to point the finger, she caused this, no she didn't HE DID. He would have found another gun or made a bomb. A killer wants to kill.
Unless you are in a situation YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW YOU WILL REACT. It so easy to say, oh I will do this, oh I will do that, you don't know what you would do. I hope none of you are ever faced with a situation like this, but don't judge until you know facts, and relying solely on, he killed 27 babies, so she obv knew he was mentally ill is not enough.
Now if she even had a hunch that this boy had a psychotic side to him and brang him to shooting ranges, then she's an idiot, but she still doesn't deserve to die at the hands of her son. We do not know when she brought him, news just says she brought him. A lot of parents have brought their children to shooting ranges, as I said before it could have been 10 years ago.
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Re: CT shooting..god I'm not looking to start drama..but
Posted by sami
Help me with this I find myself blaming the shooters mother I have been calling her every name in the book..I just can't stop blaming her..please no drama this is just so upsetting to me..
I blame her only for the fact that she kept many guns in the house when she knew her son was mentally not right. I also read and heard on tv that she encouraged him to use guns recreationally to build up his self esteem. I am not blaming her that he was mentally unstable, but for the fact she knew something wasn't right and allowed him access to guns.
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Re: CT shooting..god I'm not looking to start drama..but
Posted by PeasandCarrot
As for the guns, like I said we are all doing . It is HER RIGHT to have guns in her home. If she took all the proper precautions how is it her fault?
And its my right to keep, knives, sharp objects, medicines all around my home, BUT i dont bc I have small children and am a responsible mother.
This woman reaped what she sowed.
We don't know anything for sure, but I do know that a child does not just wake up one morning and decides to kill 20 babies, there had to have been signs. Why else pull your kid out of school?
I am baffled at your logic as well. So i will agree to disagree. I deal with enough "not myyyyyyyy baby" mothers at gymboree.
Also to everyone fighting the mental card, you are 100% right we need a full investigation before we "jump" to any conclusions. Killing your own mother and slaughtering 27 people isn't enough proof for me, maybe if it were 30. "mental ill, mentally unstable, mental, ALL sematics, that kid was F'd in the head ! bc if "normal" sane people did this????
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Re: CT shooting..god I'm not looking to start drama..but
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by PeasandCarrots
Posted by MrsMeloyellow
Posted by PeasandCarrots
Here's where i'm coming from
Cousin- Autism is a genius, sweetest kid you could know. LOves peole, animals, shooting with his State Trooper Dad, drawing. Gets pleasures out of taking the bus to his volunteer job. DOesn't make eye contact, is socially akward, and "weird
Uncle- life of the party, is very engaging, appears to be a loving man. HE IS A SOCIOPATH. He is someone that would kill people....not my autistic cousin.
wait...uncle as in, the trooper dad? or different uncle? bc if the dad is a sociopath with access to guns and is teaching his son about guns...then that would be cause for alarm.
Different Uncle. Not the Trooper.
My point is there is also a difference between mental instability and a developmental disorder.
As for the guns, like I said we are all doing A LOT of speculating and finger pointing at this mother. We don't know anything more than she had guns somewhere in her home, and it is being said she took him shooting to learn about the respect one should have for a gun. It was also reported that he had that respect and enjoyed shooting. We don't know how often he went or how long ago it was. It is of course speculation...ALL OF IT IS.
I am seriously just baffled that people are not only blaming this mother but saying it's because of her he did this! I just don't understand the logic...I really don't. People who want to commit a crime do it somehow someway. For all we know these guns were in a safe and he destroyed it to get to them. It is HER RIGHT to have guns in her home. If she took all the proper precautions how is it her fault? We all live in glass houses. Have you never served alcohol at a party where someone there *might* have been an alcoholic? Have you ever had people over and *thought* someone may be a pedophile? The point is there is NO evidence to suggest he WAS violent up until this point. Nobody here is perfect and I bet we have all had thoughts about someone and yet never imagined they were true. I want to blame someone too, it helps, but blaming a women who was shot in the face while sleeping is just wrong IMHO.
As for the I am Adam'smother blog post...I find it disgusting. I do. I feel for THAT mother and HER struggle, but to make it sound like she is speaking for all the other mass murderer's mother's is IMHO wrong. WE DON"T KNOW if any of this happened in their home, not if he was a violent mentally disabled person. It's one thing to say look it's hard to really get a handle on this, but it's another to defend mass murderers.
Seriously...........just look at that kids picture. He looked "normal" to you??!!! Don't give me that cr@p that he showed no tendencies before and there was no way his mother would've known. I don't just don't buy that. Normal functioning people don't wake up, kill their mom, and then proceed to open fire on a school of children. There HAD to be signs and as a parent it is your job to pick up on these things. And that arsenal she had in her house was insane and yes, I do partly blame her. She failed as a parent.........look what her son did. Sorry but some blame surely falls on her. NO way this kid was "normal" and wonderful and awesome and just woke up one day and did this. Give me a break. Zero sympathy for her and her crazy son..
It sickens me that anyone would give either him or even is mom the benefit of the doubt. I just can't. What he did was beyond comprehension and I just cannot see a parent not knowing or having a sense that something was seriously wrong with their kid. I just don't buy it.
100% agree with that! he was SICK to do what he did. case closed. that doesn't just happen out of nowhere and that mother had NO business owning weapons like that...serious weapons. i blame both parents, and of course him in the end. what a horrific shame and what a horrific price was paid. 
ETA yes it was her right to own those semi automatic weapons but IMO it was wrong. there is right and there is wrong and i don't care what anyone says, i think it was wrong of her to have that in her house.
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Re: CT shooting..god I'm not looking to start drama..but
Posted by PennyJ923
Ok so we will blame all parents whose kids commit any crime, because they failed their child? If this kid had no past istory of violence how in the world would a mother assume he would be capable of commiting this murder or any murder for that matter.
If my kid is anti social and depressed, no way in hell would I ever think he would commit any type of murder unless he was A. Violent, or B. spoke of doing something. Maybe that makes me naive, but if there are no clear signs then I guess I am.
We don't know when she brought him to shooting ranges, it could have been 10 years ago, it could have been a week ago.
It's so easy to point the finger, she caused this, no she didn't HE DID. He would have found another gun or made a bomb. A killer wants to kill.
Unless you are in a situation YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW YOU WILL REACT. It so easy to say, oh I will do this, oh I will do that, you don't know what you would do. I hope none of you are ever faced with a situation like this, but don't judge until you know facts, and relying solely on, he killed 27 babies, so she obv knew he was mentally ill is not enough.
Now if she even had a hunch that this boy had a psychotic side to him and brang him to shooting ranges, then she's an idiot, but she still doesn't deserve to die at the hands of her son. We do not know when she brought him, news just says she brought him. A lot of parents have brought their children to shooting ranges, as I said before it could have been 10 years ago.
I agree completely. You can do everything right and still raise a child that can do evil things. You can do everything wrong and raise a child to be a decent child. I feel really sorry for those parents who have have mentally impaired children who is reading this wondering if their child should do something awful they will be blamed even though they know they are doing everything they can to raise a responsible child. So easy to blame for someone who cant speak for themselves. This was a tragedy and in my heart I know there is no way his mother would have ever thought her son was capable of this. I know because I never knew anyone in this world could be capable of what has happened.
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Re: CT shooting..god I'm not looking to start drama..but
I don't think anyone on this thread is implying that the murderer wasn't seriously sick in the head. Obviously, after the fact , it is clear to see that he was. What some of us are saying, is that there is no evidence YET that he had any violent tendencies beforehand that would have raised red flags.
What we do know is that he may have had aspergers and displayed traits consistent with that such as social awkwardness, little eye contact, social anxiety and withdrawal into himself all of which would have made him seem "weird" but not necessarily would have indicated that he would be capable of such atrocities. We don't know if he planned this tragedy for a month, a week, or a few hours. We know now that he was clearly mentally ill but we do nt know if he was diagnosed with any mental illness before the fact that would have raised red flags.
Look, I get it, we all want there to have been clear signs before the fact so that we may, in the future, be able to identify those signs and prevent another tragedy or castigate those who do not recognize the signs. We all want to believe it has to be bad parenting because good parenting would result in good people, however, tat is not always true. But, the fact remains, that right now we don't know if there were any such red flags. So I can't say the mother has blood on her hands because I only know what we know now but I do not know what went on in their home or that the mother thought or believed relative to his condition. Yes it is a parents job to know her child but if our child as veal ways been "off" or "weird" because of developmental issue it may be difficult to notice that that something new is "off".
Either way, before i "indict" the mother I want to know what she really knew.
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Re: CT shooting..god I'm not looking to start drama..but
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Posted by PennyJ923
Ok so we will blame all parents whose kids commit any crime, because they failed their child? If this kid had no past istory of violence how in the world would a mother assume he would be capable of commiting this murder or any murder for that matter.
If my kid is anti social and depressed, no way in hell would I ever think he would commit any type of murder unless he was A. Violent, or B. spoke of doing something. Maybe that makes me naive, but if there are no clear signs then I guess I am.
We don't know when she brought him to shooting ranges, it could have been 10 years ago, it could have been a week ago.
It's so easy to point the finger, she caused this, no she didn't HE DID. He would have found another gun or made a bomb. A killer wants to kill.
Unless you are in a situation YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW YOU WILL REACT. It so easy to say, oh I will do this, oh I will do that, you don't know what you would do. I hope none of you are ever faced with a situation like this, but don't judge until you know facts, and relying solely on, he killed 27 babies, so she obv knew he was mentally ill is not enough.
Now if she even had a hunch that this boy had a psychotic side to him and brang him to shooting ranges, then she's an idiot, but she still doesn't deserve to die at the hands of her son. We do not know when she brought him, news just says she brought him. A lot of parents have brought their children to shooting ranges, as I said before it could have been 10 years ago.
I agree completely. You can do everything right and still raise a child that can do evil things. You can do everything wrong and raise a child to be a decent child. I feel really sorry for those parents who have have mentally impaired children who is reading this wondering if their child should do something awful they will be blamed even though they know they are doing everything they can to raise a responsible child. So easy to blame for someone who cant speak for themselves. This was a tragedy and in my heart I know there is no way his mother would have ever thought her son was capable of this. I know because I never knew anyone in this world could be capable of what has happened.
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| Posted 12/19/12 8:49 AM |
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Re: CT shooting..god I'm not looking to start drama..but
Posted by LadyBug1209
I feel the same way...
If your son was that mentally ill and unstable, why on earth would you have SEVERAL guns within his reach? That is just a recipe for disaster.
THIS is exactly what I said !!!
She absolutely failed her son .
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| Posted 12/19/12 8:54 AM |
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maybemommy10
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Re: CT shooting..god I'm not looking to start drama..but
Posted by LeShellem
I agree completely. You can do everything right and still raise a child that can do evil things. You can do everything wrong and raise a child to be a decent child.
I agree with this ! damaged is damaged. I think the point the other side is trying to make is, if you are not getting your son the proper help, meds, therapy etc turning a blind eye while pulling him out of school all while having semi automatics in the home and having field trips to gun ranges , you are NOT doing "everything right" by him or those babies
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| Posted 12/19/12 8:56 AM |
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Re: CT shooting..god I'm not looking to start drama..but
Posted by lipglossjunky73
As much as I want to blame her, I can't help but wonder if maybe she did respond to so many false alarms, that she just got used to his weirdness and felt safe that it would never manifest as anything bigger.
We will never know.
we will get a better idea - the father and brother will speak - even if it is through a tell all book for money. they are the two best to gather more information on all of this. Once the dust beginst to settle, they will sit down on some prime time show and tell all.
have they pulled medical records on Adam? Ped/primary care? Was he on any medications? Was he treated by anyone (psych?) There is STILL so much to learn. We have NO information yet.
AND hindsight is 20/20. I think it is rare to firmly believe your child capable of killing 26 people and then taking his/her own life.
Message edited 12/19/2012 8:59:45 AM.
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| Posted 12/19/12 8:58 AM |
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Re: CT shooting..god I'm not looking to start drama..but
Posted by MC09
Posted by PeasandCarrots
Posted by MrsA1012
I think we can ALL agree that leaving those types of weapons around such a sick kid was NOT a good idea.
"Such a sick kid" based on what? What ACTUAL proof or evidence do we have. NONE of the reports out so far, even the hear say ones SAY he was violent. They say he was "troubled" an "outcast". Please if you have a link post it. I am more then willing to say I was wrong, but so far all we have is a bunch of people who are "sources" saying he was troubled yet not elaborating. It's like we are all playing telephone. He was troubled has turned into he is "such a sick kid" and so on. If you(being general here) were to God forbid do something like this some day what would people say about you? These "interviews" are from people who have not seen him in years, and the ones that are talking like Goobster posted are hear say. He heard it from someone and is talking to the media.
Really?? Are you serious? Based on what?! What actual evidence is there?!? ....... Based on the actual evidence that he slaughtered 20 babies and 6 innocent adults, not to mention his own mother IN.THE.FUKKING.FACE while she slept. That's what it's based on. That's enough evidence for me. What more do I need to hear to solidify for me that this was a sick fukked up lunatic? That he tortured pets on the weekends too??? What will that change? Do you need more proof that this was a sick kid? What will that proof tell you? That he *was* a troubled and deranged fukk up capable of gunning down a school? Well, we already know that.... I guess you don't consider his actions that of "such a sick kid" until you hear more.... I do. Do you call that a reasonably sane and well-adjusted individual?? Do you not consider someone that can look a baby in the eyes and kill them a twisted, sick SICK monster? Do you honestly think there absolutely weren't ANY signs and red flags going off around this kid that *possibly* could have been ignored by his family and swept under the rug... that *possibly* could have caused his mother to pull him out of school and home school him (when they lived in a good school district in an affluent area)... that *possibly* could've been why she was considering uprooting herself and moving across the country to get her son into a college that could help him turn his life around? *Most* parents just kiss their kid goodbye, wish them luck in college, and anxiously await their return for the holidays. It's part of helping them become independent adults. They don't pick up and follow their kid to college. Unless they had reason to. Do you think he was just having a bad day?? Another case of the infamous LIF diabetic?
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. If some people want to blame his mother (and father) it is their right. Just like it is your right to hold her in high regard as the epitome of good parenting. Just because someone doesn't agree with you or has a different perspective than you does not give you the right to repeatedly bash them over the head with YOUR belief until they adopt your way of thinking. Enough. 26 families are burying their babies and loved ones who sacrificed their own life to save the children entrusted in their care. His mother has just as much blood on her hands as her son does for his actions... EVEN IF this irresponsible woman was mother of the year (who just so happened to reason within herself that the only way to bond with her troubled son was to shoot at targets together... and just so happened to think it was okay to keep semi-automatic and/or automatic weapons in the home she shared with her troubled son) her weapons + her deranged son's killing spree = her fault just as much as his. Yes, he is the one that pulled the trigger... but she provided the gun. I DON'T CARE if they were safely locked up and she followed all the proper gun safety protocol. A lot of good that did! Ultimately, they were still HER guns that took innocent lives... These guns were not used for self-defense. They were used to slaughter children. CHILDREN!!! As far as I'm concerned, this woman (through her irresponsible and naive actions) laid out all the necessary groundwork for her son to carry out the perfect shitstorm he did that cut short too many young lives. And she wasn't even around long enough to bear witness to it! And no amount of back and forth with you, or anyone, will get me to change my mind. Just like I won't change yours. I've accepted that. You should, too.
I don't blame these poor families one bit for being upset that HER name and face is on the list of victims, right along with their baby's name and picture... when it was HER firearm that killed them in cold blood while they stood terrified in a classroom. Can you???
Seriously, get off your soapbox already.
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| Posted 12/19/12 8:58 AM |
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BriBri2u
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Re: CT shooting..god I'm not looking to start drama..but
Posted by 2BadSoSad
Posted by PeasandCarrots
Posted by MrsA1012
I think we can ALL agree that leaving those types of weapons around such a sick kid was NOT a good idea.
"Such a sick kid" based on what? What ACTUAL proof or evidence do we have. NONE of the reports out so far, even the hear say ones SAY he was violent. They say he was "troubled" an "outcast". Please if you have a link post it. I am more then willing to say I was wrong, but so far all we have is a bunch of people who are "sources" saying he was troubled yet not elaborating. It's like we are all playing telephone. He was troubled has turned into he is "such a sick kid" and so on. If you(being general here) were to God forbid do something like this some day what would people say about you? These "interviews" are from people who have not seen him in years, and the ones that are talking like Goobster posted are hear say. He heard it from someone and is talking to the media.
How is he NOT troubled and a sick kid, he killed 20 babies?
THANK YOU!!!!!
How hard of a concept is that???
You have to be 'off' somehow to go do what he did!!!
Why do you NEED confirmation that something was wrong??? CLEARLY THERE WAS!!!!
Who cares that exactly 'what' was wrong hasn't been confirmed. It doesn't change the fact that his mother was careless in having those guns around and teaching him how to use one!
I'm sorry but you sound ridiculous right now defending his sanity.
Message edited 12/19/2012 9:12:11 AM.
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| Posted 12/19/12 9:03 AM |
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Re: CT shooting..god I'm not looking to start drama..but
Posted by BriBri2u
Posted by 2BadSoSad
Posted by PeasandCarrots
Posted by MrsA1012
I think we can ALL agree that leaving those types of weapons around such a sick kid was NOT a good idea.
"Such a sick kid" based on what? What ACTUAL proof or evidence do we have. NONE of the reports out so far, even the hear say ones SAY he was violent. They say he was "troubled" an "outcast". Please if you have a link post it. I am more then willing to say I was wrong, but so far all we have is a bunch of people who are "sources" saying he was troubled yet not elaborating. It's like we are all playing telephone. He was troubled has turned into he is "such a sick kid" and so on. If you(being general here) were to God forbid do something like this some day what would people say about you? These "interviews" are from people who have not seen him in years, and the ones that are talking like Goobster posted are hear say. He heard it from someone and is talking to the media.
How is he NOT troubled and a sick kid, he killed 20 babies?
THANK YOU!!!!!
How hard of a concept is that???
You have to be 'off' somehow to go do what he did!!!
Why do you NEED confirmation that something was wrong??? CLEARLY THERE WAS!!!!
Who cares that exactly 'what' was wrong hasn't been confirmed. It doesn't change the fact that his mother was careless in having those guns around and teaching him how to use one!
But that doesn't mean he showed signs of being THIS troubled and sick before this happened.
He was Obviously sick to commit this type of crime, but that doesn't mean he had shown any clear signs of it.
Not every person who has killed has shown signs of being mentally ill before the killing. I am pretty sure if this mother knew her son was capable of this she would have not been living with him alone for fear of her own life. unless she locked herself in her room every night with her guns because she was deathly afraid of him.
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| Posted 12/19/12 9:13 AM |
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Hofstra26
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Re: CT shooting..god I'm not looking to start drama..but
Posted by PennyJ923
Posted by BriBri2u
Posted by 2BadSoSad
Posted by PeasandCarrots
Posted by MrsA1012
I think we can ALL agree that leaving those types of weapons around such a sick kid was NOT a good idea.
"Such a sick kid" based on what? What ACTUAL proof or evidence do we have. NONE of the reports out so far, even the hear say ones SAY he was violent. They say he was "troubled" an "outcast". Please if you have a link post it. I am more then willing to say I was wrong, but so far all we have is a bunch of people who are "sources" saying he was troubled yet not elaborating. It's like we are all playing telephone. He was troubled has turned into he is "such a sick kid" and so on. If you(being general here) were to God forbid do something like this some day what would people say about you? These "interviews" are from people who have not seen him in years, and the ones that are talking like Goobster posted are hear say. He heard it from someone and is talking to the media.
How is he NOT troubled and a sick kid, he killed 20 babies?
THANK YOU!!!!!
How hard of a concept is that???
You have to be 'off' somehow to go do what he did!!!
Why do you NEED confirmation that something was wrong??? CLEARLY THERE WAS!!!!
Who cares that exactly 'what' was wrong hasn't been confirmed. It doesn't change the fact that his mother was careless in having those guns around and teaching him how to use one!
But that doesn't mean he showed signs of being THIS troubled and sick before this happened.
He was Obviously sick to commit this type of crime, but that doesn't mean he had shown any clear signs of it.
Not every person who has killed has shown signs of being mentally ill before the killing. I am pretty sure if this mother knew her son was capable of this she would have not been living with him alone for fear of her own life. unless she locked herself in her room every night with her guns because she was deathly afraid of him.
I will NEVER be convinced that there weren't signs. Never. A crime as heinous, cold, and sickening as this does not just come out of nowhere. I guarantee once they look more into this baby killer's life they will see there were signs everywhere. The more likely case is people around him chose to ignore the signs because of the "not my child" syndrome so many parents are afflicted by in this country.
I just don't buy the "there were no signs, he just snapped one day" theory. That's a load of cr@p IMO. I have NO doubt in my mind there was something up with this lunatic..........and it will come out. Just wait and see.
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| Posted 12/19/12 9:22 AM |
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Paramount
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Re: CT shooting..god I'm not looking to start drama..but
Posted by LIVINMYDREAM
Posted by LadyBug1209
I feel the same way...
If your son was that mentally ill and unstable, why on earth would you have SEVERAL guns within his reach? That is just a recipe for disaster.
THIS is exactly what I said !!!
She absolutely failed her son .
But the whole point some of us are trying to make...
There is no mention, anywhere, that he was mentally ill.
There was no sign of him being "sick".
He had no "record".
There has been no word, none, from the authorities that something was "wrong" with him.
The only real thing we have "heard" is a neighbor/friend/someone to the mom saying "The MOM said to me "i'm loosing him". But this did NOT come from the police.
The state trooper in charge (I forget his name) said (and I quote) "If it didnt come from ME, don't believe anything".
A lot of you are are saying/implying that the mom knew he was menatally unstable. We dont know that. It's being implied that he was sick/she knew/how could she have guns when he was sick.
And ALL some of us are saying is that nothing has been said about him having signs BEFORE the shooting to warrant real concern on the moms part.
NOTHING has been proven that she knew he was sick BEFORE he did what he did. That he showed "signs". That she should have been worried.
The argument is: Did she know he was sick/unstable BEFORE he did it? No one knows. Yet.
Otherwise, its all speculation.
Message edited 12/19/2012 9:23:28 AM.
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| Posted 12/19/12 9:22 AM |
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Ayne11
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CT shooting..god I'm not looking to start drama..but
Regardless if he was or wasn't "mentally ill" I wholeheartedly believe he was NOT mentally well on the days leading up to 12/14. To plan this attack, put on riot gear, murder your mother in cold blood, load up the car with enough guns & ammo to take out the whole town, then move on to a elemtary school & systematically take out 20 children & 6 adults IS NOT THE WORK OF A SANE PERSON!
The word "snapped" means he had a psychotic break. He is an evil, evil person & I won't be convinced otherwise.
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| Posted 12/19/12 9:27 AM |
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