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Re: CT shooting..god I'm not looking to start drama..but
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by PennyJ923
Posted by BriBri2u
Posted by 2BadSoSad
Posted by PeasandCarrots
Posted by MrsA1012
I think we can ALL agree that leaving those types of weapons around such a sick kid was NOT a good idea.
"Such a sick kid" based on what? What ACTUAL proof or evidence do we have. NONE of the reports out so far, even the hear say ones SAY he was violent. They say he was "troubled" an "outcast". Please if you have a link post it. I am more then willing to say I was wrong, but so far all we have is a bunch of people who are "sources" saying he was troubled yet not elaborating. It's like we are all playing telephone. He was troubled has turned into he is "such a sick kid" and so on. If you(being general here) were to God forbid do something like this some day what would people say about you? These "interviews" are from people who have not seen him in years, and the ones that are talking like Goobster posted are hear say. He heard it from someone and is talking to the media.
How is he NOT troubled and a sick kid, he killed 20 babies?
THANK YOU!!!!!
How hard of a concept is that???
You have to be 'off' somehow to go do what he did!!!
Why do you NEED confirmation that something was wrong??? CLEARLY THERE WAS!!!!
Who cares that exactly 'what' was wrong hasn't been confirmed. It doesn't change the fact that his mother was careless in having those guns around and teaching him how to use one!
But that doesn't mean he showed signs of being THIS troubled and sick before this happened.
He was Obviously sick to commit this type of crime, but that doesn't mean he had shown any clear signs of it.
Not every person who has killed has shown signs of being mentally ill before the killing. I am pretty sure if this mother knew her son was capable of this she would have not been living with him alone for fear of her own life. unless she locked herself in her room every night with her guns because she was deathly afraid of him.
I will NEVER be convinced that there weren't signs. Never. A crime as heinous, cold, and sickening as this does not just come out of nowhere. I guarantee once they look more into this baby killer's life they will see there were signs everywhere. The more likely case is people around him chose to ignore the signs because of the "not my child" syndrome so many parents are afflicted by in this country.
I just don't buy the "there were no signs, he just snapped one day" theory. That's a load of cr@p IMO. I have NO doubt in my mind there was something up with this lunatic..........and it will come out. Just wait and see.
I agree
No one wakes up one morning and decides they are going to go shoot a gun off in an elementary school but not before they shoot their mother in the face 4 times!
Sorry, but nothing any of you will say will convince myself and a good portion of the world that he was sane up until he started his heinous crime. Nor that his mother or family didn't see signs.
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Re: CT shooting..god I'm not looking to start drama..but
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by PennyJ923
Posted by BriBri2u
Posted by 2BadSoSad
Posted by PeasandCarrots
Posted by MrsA1012
I think we can ALL agree that leaving those types of weapons around such a sick kid was NOT a good idea.
"Such a sick kid" based on what? What ACTUAL proof or evidence do we have. NONE of the reports out so far, even the hear say ones SAY he was violent. They say he was "troubled" an "outcast". Please if you have a link post it. I am more then willing to say I was wrong, but so far all we have is a bunch of people who are "sources" saying he was troubled yet not elaborating. It's like we are all playing telephone. He was troubled has turned into he is "such a sick kid" and so on. If you(being general here) were to God forbid do something like this some day what would people say about you? These "interviews" are from people who have not seen him in years, and the ones that are talking like Goobster posted are hear say. He heard it from someone and is talking to the media.
How is he NOT troubled and a sick kid, he killed 20 babies?
THANK YOU!!!!!
How hard of a concept is that???
You have to be 'off' somehow to go do what he did!!!
Why do you NEED confirmation that something was wrong??? CLEARLY THERE WAS!!!!
Who cares that exactly 'what' was wrong hasn't been confirmed. It doesn't change the fact that his mother was careless in having those guns around and teaching him how to use one!
But that doesn't mean he showed signs of being THIS troubled and sick before this happened.
He was Obviously sick to commit this type of crime, but that doesn't mean he had shown any clear signs of it.
Not every person who has killed has shown signs of being mentally ill before the killing. I am pretty sure if this mother knew her son was capable of this she would have not been living with him alone for fear of her own life. unless she locked herself in her room every night with her guns because she was deathly afraid of him.
I will NEVER be convinced that there weren't signs. Never. A crime as heinous, cold, and sickening as this does not just come out of nowhere. I guarantee once they look more into this baby killer's life they will see there were signs everywhere. The more likely case is people around him chose to ignore the signs because of the "not my child" syndrome so many parents are afflicted by in this country.
I just don't buy the "there were no signs, he just snapped one day" theory. That's a load of cr@p IMO. I have NO doubt in my mind there was something up with this lunatic..........and it will come out. Just wait and see.
And if they do, then I have no problem jumping on the bandwagon that she is partially responsible. Never would I ever hope she rots in hell and say I think she deserved to die, but I will give her partial blame.
BUT until FACTS come out proving, I will have to stand by my point.
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Re: CT shooting..god I'm not looking to start drama..but
Posted by BriBri2u
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by PennyJ923
Posted by BriBri2u
Posted by 2BadSoSad
Posted by PeasandCarrots
Posted by MrsA1012
I think we can ALL agree that leaving those types of weapons around such a sick kid was NOT a good idea.
"Such a sick kid" based on what? What ACTUAL proof or evidence do we have. NONE of the reports out so far, even the hear say ones SAY he was violent. They say he was "troubled" an "outcast". Please if you have a link post it. I am more then willing to say I was wrong, but so far all we have is a bunch of people who are "sources" saying he was troubled yet not elaborating. It's like we are all playing telephone. He was troubled has turned into he is "such a sick kid" and so on. If you(being general here) were to God forbid do something like this some day what would people say about you? These "interviews" are from people who have not seen him in years, and the ones that are talking like Goobster posted are hear say. He heard it from someone and is talking to the media.
How is he NOT troubled and a sick kid, he killed 20 babies?
THANK YOU!!!!!
How hard of a concept is that???
You have to be 'off' somehow to go do what he did!!!
Why do you NEED confirmation that something was wrong??? CLEARLY THERE WAS!!!!
Who cares that exactly 'what' was wrong hasn't been confirmed. It doesn't change the fact that his mother was careless in having those guns around and teaching him how to use one!
But that doesn't mean he showed signs of being THIS troubled and sick before this happened.
He was Obviously sick to commit this type of crime, but that doesn't mean he had shown any clear signs of it.
Not every person who has killed has shown signs of being mentally ill before the killing. I am pretty sure if this mother knew her son was capable of this she would have not been living with him alone for fear of her own life. unless she locked herself in her room every night with her guns because she was deathly afraid of him.
I will NEVER be convinced that there weren't signs. Never. A crime as heinous, cold, and sickening as this does not just come out of nowhere. I guarantee once they look more into this baby killer's life they will see there were signs everywhere. The more likely case is people around him chose to ignore the signs because of the "not my child" syndrome so many parents are afflicted by in this country.
I just don't buy the "there were no signs, he just snapped one day" theory. That's a load of cr@p IMO. I have NO doubt in my mind there was something up with this lunatic..........and it will come out. Just wait and see.
I agree
No one wakes up one morning and decides they are going to go shoot a gun off in an elementary school but not before they shoot their mother in the face 4 times!
Sorry, but nothing any of you will say will convince myself and a good portion of the world that he was sane up until he started his heinous crime. Nor that his mother or family didn't see signs.
NO ONE is saying he was SANE, you can be a really sick individual and have everything bottled up inside where no one knows. What we are saying is he may not have shown signs of how sick he really was.
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Re: CT shooting..god I'm not looking to start drama..but
Posted by Paramount
Posted by LIVINMYDREAM
Posted by LadyBug1209
I feel the same way...
If your son was that mentally ill and unstable, why on earth would you have SEVERAL guns within his reach? That is just a recipe for disaster.
THIS is exactly what I said !!!
She absolutely failed her son .
But the whole point some of us are trying to make...
There is no mention, anywhere, that he was mentally ill.
There was no sign of him being "sick".
He had no "record".
There has been no word, none, from the authorities that something was "wrong" with him.
The only real thing we have "heard" is a neighbor/friend/someone to the mom saying "The MOM said to me "i'm loosing him". But this did NOT come from the police.
The state trooper in charge (I forget his name) said (and I quote) "If it didnt come from ME, don't believe anything".
A lot of you are are saying/implying that the mom knew he was menatally unstable. We dont know that. It's being implied that he was sick/she knew/how could she have guns when he was sick.
And ALL some of us are saying is that nothing has been said about him having signs BEFORE the shooting to warrant real concern on the moms part.
NOTHING has been proven that she knew he was sick BEFORE he did what he did. That he showed "signs". That she should have been worried.
The argument is: Did she know he was sick/unstable BEFORE he did it? No one knows. Yet.
Otherwise, its all speculation.
The point we are making is that of course he was sick BEFORE.........I don't need proof of that. It is clear as day that he was messed up BEFORE. Normal, functioning, healthy, well adjusted people do NOT do what he did. Normal people don't wake up one day and kill 27 people out of nowhere. Give me a break. Something was up and I have NO doubt his mom and other people close to him knew that.
I don't even understand this need some of you have to defend him, give him the benefit of the doubt, and to try and understand why. He was a sick f***. End of story. And you're kidding yourself if you think he was some normal, good natured boy going about his life like a normal person before this happened and that he never demonstrated any signs of maladjustment. That's just absolutely ridiculous. He didn't just "snap" one day, he was messed up.
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Re: CT shooting..god I'm not looking to start drama..but
Posted by PennyJ923
Posted by BriBri2u
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by PennyJ923
Posted by BriBri2u
Posted by 2BadSoSad
Posted by PeasandCarrots
Posted by MrsA1012
I think we can ALL agree that leaving those types of weapons around such a sick kid was NOT a good idea.
"Such a sick kid" based on what? What ACTUAL proof or evidence do we have. NONE of the reports out so far, even the hear say ones SAY he was violent. They say he was "troubled" an "outcast". Please if you have a link post it. I am more then willing to say I was wrong, but so far all we have is a bunch of people who are "sources" saying he was troubled yet not elaborating. It's like we are all playing telephone. He was troubled has turned into he is "such a sick kid" and so on. If you(being general here) were to God forbid do something like this some day what would people say about you? These "interviews" are from people who have not seen him in years, and the ones that are talking like Goobster posted are hear say. He heard it from someone and is talking to the media.
How is he NOT troubled and a sick kid, he killed 20 babies?
THANK YOU!!!!!
How hard of a concept is that???
You have to be 'off' somehow to go do what he did!!!
Why do you NEED confirmation that something was wrong??? CLEARLY THERE WAS!!!!
Who cares that exactly 'what' was wrong hasn't been confirmed. It doesn't change the fact that his mother was careless in having those guns around and teaching him how to use one!
But that doesn't mean he showed signs of being THIS troubled and sick before this happened.
He was Obviously sick to commit this type of crime, but that doesn't mean he had shown any clear signs of it.
Not every person who has killed has shown signs of being mentally ill before the killing. I am pretty sure if this mother knew her son was capable of this she would have not been living with him alone for fear of her own life. unless she locked herself in her room every night with her guns because she was deathly afraid of him.
I will NEVER be convinced that there weren't signs. Never. A crime as heinous, cold, and sickening as this does not just come out of nowhere. I guarantee once they look more into this baby killer's life they will see there were signs everywhere. The more likely case is people around him chose to ignore the signs because of the "not my child" syndrome so many parents are afflicted by in this country.
I just don't buy the "there were no signs, he just snapped one day" theory. That's a load of cr@p IMO. I have NO doubt in my mind there was something up with this lunatic..........and it will come out. Just wait and see.
I agree
No one wakes up one morning and decides they are going to go shoot a gun off in an elementary school but not before they shoot their mother in the face 4 times!
Sorry, but nothing any of you will say will convince myself and a good portion of the world that he was sane up until he started his heinous crime. Nor that his mother or family didn't see signs.
NO ONE is saying he was SANE, you can be a really sick individual and have everything bottled up inside where no one knows. What we are saying is he may not have shown signs of how sick he really was.
I'm not even going to argue this anymore because clearly we don't agree. I'm all for giving the benefit of the doubt in most cases, but not this one.
I don't buy for one second that she didn't know something was wrong with him before he did what he did. Its called mother's instinct.
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Re: CT shooting..god I'm not looking to start drama..but
Posted by maymama
AND hindsight is 20/20. I think it is rare to firmly believe your child capable of killing 26 people and then taking his/her own life.
Exactly. She was his mother - she loved him, more than anyone else. People are making it sound like she was creating this monster and KNEW it. Every one of us will make mistakes but we don't believe those mistakes will cause our kids to do something like this.'
People are saying some pretty cruel things about her on this thread.
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Re: CT shooting..god I'm not looking to start drama..but
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by Paramount
Posted by LIVINMYDREAM
Posted by LadyBug1209
I feel the same way...
If your son was that mentally ill and unstable, why on earth would you have SEVERAL guns within his reach? That is just a recipe for disaster.
THIS is exactly what I said !!!
She absolutely failed her son .
But the whole point some of us are trying to make...
There is no mention, anywhere, that he was mentally ill.
There was no sign of him being "sick".
He had no "record".
There has been no word, none, from the authorities that something was "wrong" with him.
The only real thing we have "heard" is a neighbor/friend/someone to the mom saying "The MOM said to me "i'm loosing him". But this did NOT come from the police.
The state trooper in charge (I forget his name) said (and I quote) "If it didnt come from ME, don't believe anything".
A lot of you are are saying/implying that the mom knew he was menatally unstable. We dont know that. It's being implied that he was sick/she knew/how could she have guns when he was sick.
And ALL some of us are saying is that nothing has been said about him having signs BEFORE the shooting to warrant real concern on the moms part.
NOTHING has been proven that she knew he was sick BEFORE he did what he did. That he showed "signs". That she should have been worried.
The argument is: Did she know he was sick/unstable BEFORE he did it? No one knows. Yet.
Otherwise, its all speculation.
The point we are making is that of course he was sick BEFORE.........I don't need proof of that. It is clear as day that he was messed up BEFORE. Normal, functioning, healthy, well adjusted people do NOT do what he did. Normal people don't wake up one day and kill 27 people out of nowhere. Give me a break. Something was up and I have NO doubt his mom and other people close to him knew that.
I don't even understand this need some of you have to defend him, give him the benefit of the doubt, and to try and understand why. He was a sick f***. End of story. And you're kidding yourself if you think he was some normal, good natured boy going about his life like a normal person before this happened and that he never demonstrated any signs of maladjustment. That's just absolutely ridiculous. He didn't just "snap" one day, he was messed up.
Do you feel the same about the Columbine parents, all 4 of them who lived?? Did they CAUSE the murders of those high school students and teachers?
I think it's more compassion for a parent, (myself as a parent), that some of us may have. Assuming she may have had some idea that her son needed help, but still not enough for her to consider him violent and in any way capable of doing what he did (denial maybe??) how is she to take full blame and responsibilty and deserve to be murdered herself??? Yes, in hindsight WE know he was sick. But did anyone, including her REALLY know he was sick PRIOR???
Did she plan the murders herself and tell him to go do it?? Was she an accomplis? If not, she suffered too and I'm not so sure she deserved to die like some posters here said.
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CT shooting..god I'm not looking to start drama..but
I am not and will NEVER defend that sick a$$hole who killed those beautiful babies. I think he is the lowest form of a human being to ever walk the planet. But I don't think it's right to say the mom should rot in hell without knowing the 100% FULL story. I think she is a complete moron for having all of those guns in the house but I would really love to know if he displayed violent tendencies in the past leading up to this.
When I was younger, I had a running "joke" with a friend. We always used to be baffled when someone would go on a killing spree and they would interview neighbors and friends who would say "he seemed so normal". I always used to say that they must be blind or stupid to not see the signs. And then one day I hear on the news that my coworker shot his pregnant girlfriend and her sister in front of their children. To say I was shocked based on the mans character is an understatement.
Also, when I look at his picture *I* can clearly see that he looks like a sick individual based on what I KNOW he did. Just looking at him sends a chill up my spine and makes me sick to my stomach. But had I never known who he was or what he did I would probably look at the picture and think he was just an awkward teenager. In fact, he semi resembles a distant relative of mine. Just because he looks a certain way doesn't mean someone should have known he was capable of mass murder.
I know it sounds like I am totally defending the mother.. but I am really not. I do think he negligence played a role in this for sure. But I just can't wish that anyone would rot in hell without knowing the whole story.
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Re: CT shooting..god I'm not looking to start drama..but
Posted by stinger
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by Paramount
Posted by LIVINMYDREAM
Posted by LadyBug1209
I feel the same way...
If your son was that mentally ill and unstable, why on earth would you have SEVERAL guns within his reach? That is just a recipe for disaster.
THIS is exactly what I said !!!
She absolutely failed her son .
But the whole point some of us are trying to make...
There is no mention, anywhere, that he was mentally ill.
There was no sign of him being "sick".
He had no "record".
There has been no word, none, from the authorities that something was "wrong" with him.
The only real thing we have "heard" is a neighbor/friend/someone to the mom saying "The MOM said to me "i'm loosing him". But this did NOT come from the police.
The state trooper in charge (I forget his name) said (and I quote) "If it didnt come from ME, don't believe anything".
A lot of you are are saying/implying that the mom knew he was menatally unstable. We dont know that. It's being implied that he was sick/she knew/how could she have guns when he was sick.
And ALL some of us are saying is that nothing has been said about him having signs BEFORE the shooting to warrant real concern on the moms part.
NOTHING has been proven that she knew he was sick BEFORE he did what he did. That he showed "signs". That she should have been worried.
The argument is: Did she know he was sick/unstable BEFORE he did it? No one knows. Yet.
Otherwise, its all speculation.
The point we are making is that of course he was sick BEFORE.........I don't need proof of that. It is clear as day that he was messed up BEFORE. Normal, functioning, healthy, well adjusted people do NOT do what he did. Normal people don't wake up one day and kill 27 people out of nowhere. Give me a break. Something was up and I have NO doubt his mom and other people close to him knew that.
I don't even understand this need some of you have to defend him, give him the benefit of the doubt, and to try and understand why. He was a sick f***. End of story. And you're kidding yourself if you think he was some normal, good natured boy going about his life like a normal person before this happened and that he never demonstrated any signs of maladjustment. That's just absolutely ridiculous. He didn't just "snap" one day, he was messed up.
Do you feel the same about the Columbine parents, all 4 of them who lived?? Did they CAUSE the murders of those high school students and teachers?
I think it's more compassion for a parent, (myself as a parent), that some of us may have. Assuming she may have had some idea that her son needed help, but still not enough for her to consider him violent and in any way capable of doing what he did (denial maybe??) how is she to take full blame and responsibilty and deserve to be murdered herself??? Yes, in hindsight WE know he was sick. But did anyone, including her REALLY know he was sick PRIOR???
Did she plan the murders herself and tell him to go do it?? Was she an accomplis? If not, she suffered too and I'm not so sure she deserved to die like some posters here said.
not that I am agreeing or disagreeing but "they" are claiming the difference is that she put the murder weapons in his hands.
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Re: CT shooting..god I'm not looking to start drama..but
Posted by stinger
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by Paramount
Posted by LIVINMYDREAM
Posted by LadyBug1209
I feel the same way...
If your son was that mentally ill and unstable, why on earth would you have SEVERAL guns within his reach? That is just a recipe for disaster.
THIS is exactly what I said !!!
She absolutely failed her son .
But the whole point some of us are trying to make...
There is no mention, anywhere, that he was mentally ill.
There was no sign of him being "sick".
He had no "record".
There has been no word, none, from the authorities that something was "wrong" with him.
The only real thing we have "heard" is a neighbor/friend/someone to the mom saying "The MOM said to me "i'm loosing him". But this did NOT come from the police.
The state trooper in charge (I forget his name) said (and I quote) "If it didnt come from ME, don't believe anything".
A lot of you are are saying/implying that the mom knew he was menatally unstable. We dont know that. It's being implied that he was sick/she knew/how could she have guns when he was sick.
And ALL some of us are saying is that nothing has been said about him having signs BEFORE the shooting to warrant real concern on the moms part.
NOTHING has been proven that she knew he was sick BEFORE he did what he did. That he showed "signs". That she should have been worried.
The argument is: Did she know he was sick/unstable BEFORE he did it? No one knows. Yet.
Otherwise, its all speculation.
The point we are making is that of course he was sick BEFORE.........I don't need proof of that. It is clear as day that he was messed up BEFORE. Normal, functioning, healthy, well adjusted people do NOT do what he did. Normal people don't wake up one day and kill 27 people out of nowhere. Give me a break. Something was up and I have NO doubt his mom and other people close to him knew that.
I don't even understand this need some of you have to defend him, give him the benefit of the doubt, and to try and understand why. He was a sick f***. End of story. And you're kidding yourself if you think he was some normal, good natured boy going about his life like a normal person before this happened and that he never demonstrated any signs of maladjustment. That's just absolutely ridiculous. He didn't just "snap" one day, he was messed up.
Do you feel the same about the Columbine parents, all 4 of them who lived?? Did they CAUSE the murders of those high school students and teachers?
I think it's more compassion for a parent, (myself as a parent), that some of us may have. Assuming she may have had some idea that her son needed help, but still not enough for her to consider him violent and in any way capable of doing what he did (denial maybe??) how is she to take full blame and responsibilty and deserve to be murdered herself??? Yes, in hindsight WE know he was sick. But did anyone, including her REALLY know he was sick PRIOR???
Did she plan the murders herself and tell him to go do it?? Was she an accomplis? If not, she suffered too and I'm not so sure she deserved to die like some posters here said.
We are going in circles here.
Yes, I firmly believe he was sick in the head BEFORE and I don't doubt for a minute there were signs BEFORE. That being said, I don't think she "deserved" to die but I do think she failed him as a parent in some ways. I don't think she is 100% to blame either but I do think when someone's young son commits a crime such as this you HAVE to wonder what was going on in that home.
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CT shooting..god I'm not looking to start drama..but
People have issues everyday, and I am NOT saying he was not insaine, what I am saying is we just don't know. People snap,...they do. It is 100% possible he never was violent before and was just odd. THAT is my point. I agree what he did shows he was unstable. I am not arguing that. I am not saying he was a sane person that day, but I am saying being weird, or off doesn't mean you were violent. How many stories do we read where something tragic has happened and people will say I knew xyz was off but I never imagined they would do this. People say so and so snapped and that's what it means. Something was going on there, and something changed that day, but that doesn't mean he was violent before that. That is my point, and I am entitled to be on a soap box if I want. I find it just as appauling that people have wrote they hope his mother rots in hell next to him. I'm in the wrong? Lets take a look at some of the other things people wrote. I have NEVER defended his actions EVER. I have tried to share my family history to show that not everything is as it seems. I also feel like saying just look at him he looks whatever......wow. Way to judge a book by it's cover and see something you want. What picture did you see? The one that is going around form when he was 15? My how looks can be deceiving. Trayvon looked like a very nice skinny kid, at 12.....not the same gold toothed bulky teenager that he looked like NOW.
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Re: CT shooting..god I'm not looking to start drama..but
Posted by Hofstra26
The point we are making is that of course he was sick BEFORE.........I don't need proof of that. It is clear as day that he was messed up BEFORE. Normal, functioning, healthy, well adjusted people do NOT do what he did. Normal people don't wake up one day and kill 27 people out of nowhere. Give me a break. Something was up and I have NO doubt his mom and other people close to him knew that.
I don't even understand this need some of you have to defend him, give him the benefit of the doubt, and to try and understand why. He was a sick f***. End of story. And you're kidding yourself if you think he was some normal, good natured boy going about his life like a normal person before this happened and that he never demonstrated any signs of maladjustment. That's just absolutely ridiculous. He didn't just "snap" one day, he was messed up.
I am NOT defending him. At all. Period.
He was a sick FCUK to do what he did.
We are all in 100% agreement.
I never said he was normal. Or good natured. I never said I was giving him the benefit of the doubt. I never said he just "snapped" one day.
Again, We are all in 100% agreement.
With your above statement you obviously don't understand what I'm trying to say, so I will just leave it at that.
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| Posted 12/19/12 10:00 AM |
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MrsA1012
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Re: CT shooting..god I'm not looking to start drama..but
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by Paramount
Posted by LIVINMYDREAM
Posted by LadyBug1209
I feel the same way...
If your son was that mentally ill and unstable, why on earth would you have SEVERAL guns within his reach? That is just a recipe for disaster.
THIS is exactly what I said !!!
She absolutely failed her son .
But the whole point some of us are trying to make...
There is no mention, anywhere, that he was mentally ill.
There was no sign of him being "sick".
He had no "record".
There has been no word, none, from the authorities that something was "wrong" with him.
The only real thing we have "heard" is a neighbor/friend/someone to the mom saying "The MOM said to me "i'm loosing him". But this did NOT come from the police.
The state trooper in charge (I forget his name) said (and I quote) "If it didnt come from ME, don't believe anything".
A lot of you are are saying/implying that the mom knew he was menatally unstable. We dont know that. It's being implied that he was sick/she knew/how could she have guns when he was sick.
And ALL some of us are saying is that nothing has been said about him having signs BEFORE the shooting to warrant real concern on the moms part.
NOTHING has been proven that she knew he was sick BEFORE he did what he did. That he showed "signs". That she should have been worried.
The argument is: Did she know he was sick/unstable BEFORE he did it? No one knows. Yet.
Otherwise, its all speculation.
The point we are making is that of course he was sick BEFORE.........I don't need proof of that. It is clear as day that he was messed up BEFORE. Normal, functioning, healthy, well adjusted people do NOT do what he did. Normal people don't wake up one day and kill 27 people out of nowhere. Give me a break. Something was up and I have NO doubt his mom and other people close to him knew that.
I don't even understand this need some of you have to defend him, give him the benefit of the doubt, and to try and understand why. He was a sick f***. End of story. And you're kidding yourself if you think he was some normal, good natured boy going about his life like a normal person before this happened and that he never demonstrated any signs of maladjustment. That's just absolutely ridiculous. He didn't just "snap" one day, he was messed up.
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| Posted 12/19/12 10:02 AM |
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For the record I said from the beginning of this I blame him 100%. I do not blame his mother, not at all. This thread was about blaming the mother and that is why I have responded the way I have. If I lead anyone to the belief I thought he was unaccountable I apologize. That was NEVER how I felt. I 100% believe there were issues going on with him above and beyond a developmental issue, but until we get proof it is just a belief. That doens't mean I think he is off the hook.
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| Posted 12/19/12 10:07 AM |
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Re: CT shooting..god I'm not looking to start drama..but
Geez! NO ONE is excusing him. He was CLEARLY a sick fcuk!
All that anyone is saying is the we are reserving our judgment on the MOTHER he shot until FACTS come out regarding what she ACTUALLY KNEW before these heinous crimes. That is it.
I don't feel the severity of this any less than anyone else and have sobbed uncontrollably for days. I am just trying to be rational before I curse anyone other than the murderer to hell.
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| Posted 12/19/12 11:27 AM |
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Re: CT shooting..god I'm not looking to start drama..but
Posted by Jugglemom
Geez! NO ONE is excusing him. He was CLEARLY a sick fcuk!
All that anyone is saying is the we are reserving our judgment on the MOTHER he shot until FACTS come out regarding what she ACTUALLY KNEW before these heinous crimes. That is it.
I don't feel the severity of this any less than anyone else and have sobbed uncontrollably for days. I am just trying to be rational before I curse anyone other than the murderer to hell.
For the win!
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| Posted 12/19/12 11:29 AM |
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Re: CT shooting..god I'm not looking to start drama..but
Posted by Paramount
Posted by Jugglemom
Geez! NO ONE is excusing him. He was CLEARLY a sick fcuk!
All that anyone is saying is the we are reserving our judgment on the MOTHER he shot until FACTS come out regarding what she ACTUALLY KNEW before these heinous crimes. That is it.
I don't feel the severity of this any less than anyone else and have sobbed uncontrollably for days. I am just trying to be rational before I curse anyone other than the murderer to hell.
For the win!
Seriously, THIS! I don't think one single poster was defending or excusing Adam Lanza!!! Some of us were just holding out on wishing his mother would die and rot in hell until we had some FACTS!
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| Posted 12/19/12 11:35 AM |
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Re: CT shooting..god I'm not looking to start drama..but
Posted by Jugglemom
Geez! NO ONE is excusing him. He was CLEARLY a sick fcuk!
All that anyone is saying is the we are reserving our judgment on the MOTHER he shot until FACTS come out regarding what she ACTUALLY KNEW before these heinous crimes. That is it.
I don't feel the severity of this any less than anyone else and have sobbed uncontrollably for days. I am just trying to be rational before I curse anyone other than the murderer to hell.
Finally, a sane post on this thread. We'll probably never find out for sure what the mom truly knew, or what she might have been in denial of.
To condemn her for not assuming the absolute worst case scenario regarding her son is a little unfair and hasty. Most parents just don't see their child the way outsiders might see them. That's like saying every mom on the parenting board who talks about their "spirited" child is in denial and is failing their kid, because realistically their child sounds like a spoiled brat.
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| Posted 12/19/12 11:40 AM |
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Re: CT shooting..god I'm not looking to start drama..but
Posted by drwifettc
Posted by Paramount
Posted by Jugglemom
Geez! NO ONE is excusing him. He was CLEARLY a sick fcuk!
All that anyone is saying is the we are reserving our judgment on the MOTHER he shot until FACTS come out regarding what she ACTUALLY KNEW before these heinous crimes. That is it.
I don't feel the severity of this any less than anyone else and have sobbed uncontrollably for days. I am just trying to be rational before I curse anyone other than the murderer to hell.
For the win!
Seriously, THIS! I don't think one single poster was defending or excusing Adam Lanza!!! Some of us were just holding out on wishing his mother would die and rot in hell until we had some FACTS!
Amen!
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| Posted 12/19/12 11:46 AM |
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Re: CT shooting..god I'm not looking to start drama..but
To condemn her for not assuming the absolute worst case scenario regarding her son is a little unfair and hasty. Most parents just don't see their child the way outsiders might see them. That's like saying every mom on the parenting board who talks about their "spirited" child is in denial and is failing their kid, because realistically their child sounds like a spoiled brat.
If the shoe fits...don't mean this poster in particular, I'm just agreeing with the sentiment that a lot of parents on the parenting board seem to be raising spoiled brats and are failing their children. Don't mean the poster I quoted at all, just that parents need to start parenting again in this country. We didn't see this 30, 40 + years ago.
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| Posted 12/19/12 1:26 PM |
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Re: CT shooting..god I'm not looking to start drama..but
Posted by nrthshgrl
I understand where you're coming from.
Ultimately I blame Adam Lanza.
I understand her wanting to get her socially awkward son something to feel good about himself but shooting guns? Never.
If this was pre-Columbine, pre-kids going to school & shooting their bullies, I'd think differently. She should have known better.
I agree.
I think we are all trying to make sense of this senseless act - and it seems that it's going to be awhile until things are discovered.
I'm not passing judgement at this point as to whether she failed him as a parent related to what she did/did not do based on his potential mental state but, I keep on thinking that if maybe if there weren't guns in their home, guns that he was taught to shoot, things may be different. I'm not saying they would be different but, this is one thing that sticks out in my head that would have been easiest to control. Maybe if he had to work harder to obtain the guns - this plot would have been uncovered before all of those innocent people were killed
ETA - I know hindsight is 20-20.
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| Posted 12/19/12 1:44 PM |
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Re: CT shooting..god I'm not looking to start drama..but
Posted by PennyJ923
Posted by BriBri2u
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by PennyJ923
Posted by BriBri2u
Posted by 2BadSoSad
Posted by PeasandCarrots
Posted by MrsA1012
I think we can ALL agree that leaving those types of weapons around such a sick kid was NOT a good idea.
"Such a sick kid" based on what? What ACTUAL proof or evidence do we have. NONE of the reports out so far, even the hear say ones SAY he was violent. They say he was "troubled" an "outcast". Please if you have a link post it. I am more then willing to say I was wrong, but so far all we have is a bunch of people who are "sources" saying he was troubled yet not elaborating. It's like we are all playing telephone. He was troubled has turned into he is "such a sick kid" and so on. If you(being general here) were to God forbid do something like this some day what would people say about you? These "interviews" are from people who have not seen him in years, and the ones that are talking like Goobster posted are hear say. He heard it from someone and is talking to the media.
How is he NOT troubled and a sick kid, he killed 20 babies?
THANK YOU!!!!!
How hard of a concept is that???
You have to be 'off' somehow to go do what he did!!!
Why do you NEED confirmation that something was wrong??? CLEARLY THERE WAS!!!!
Who cares that exactly 'what' was wrong hasn't been confirmed. It doesn't change the fact that his mother was careless in having those guns around and teaching him how to use one!
But that doesn't mean he showed signs of being THIS troubled and sick before this happened.
He was Obviously sick to commit this type of crime, but that doesn't mean he had shown any clear signs of it.
Not every person who has killed has shown signs of being mentally ill before the killing. I am pretty sure if this mother knew her son was capable of this she would have not been living with him alone for fear of her own life. unless she locked herself in her room every night with her guns because she was deathly afraid of him.
I will NEVER be convinced that there weren't signs. Never. A crime as heinous, cold, and sickening as this does not just come out of nowhere. I guarantee once they look more into this baby killer's life they will see there were signs everywhere. The more likely case is people around him chose to ignore the signs because of the "not my child" syndrome so many parents are afflicted by in this country.
I just don't buy the "there were no signs, he just snapped one day" theory. That's a load of cr@p IMO. I have NO doubt in my mind there was something up with this lunatic..........and it will come out. Just wait and see.
I agree
No one wakes up one morning and decides they are going to go shoot a gun off in an elementary school but not before they shoot their mother in the face 4 times!
Sorry, but nothing any of you will say will convince myself and a good portion of the world that he was sane up until he started his heinous crime. Nor that his mother or family didn't see signs.
NO ONE is saying he was SANE, you can be a really sick individual and have everything bottled up inside where no one knows. What we are saying is he may not have shown signs of how sick he really was.
Sorry but did you see the pictures of him. He LOOKED crazy. NO one can convince me that his mother didn't know otherwise.
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| Posted 12/19/12 2:52 PM |
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Re: CT shooting..god I'm not looking to start drama..but
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Posted by PennyJ923
Posted by BriBri2u
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Posted by PennyJ923
Posted by BriBri2u
Posted by 2BadSoSad
Posted by PeasandCarrots
Posted by MrsA1012
I think we can ALL agree that leaving those types of weapons around such a sick kid was NOT a good idea.
"Such a sick kid" based on what? What ACTUAL proof or evidence do we have. NONE of the reports out so far, even the hear say ones SAY he was violent. They say he was "troubled" an "outcast". Please if you have a link post it. I am more then willing to say I was wrong, but so far all we have is a bunch of people who are "sources" saying he was troubled yet not elaborating. It's like we are all playing telephone. He was troubled has turned into he is "such a sick kid" and so on. If you(being general here) were to God forbid do something like this some day what would people say about you? These "interviews" are from people who have not seen him in years, and the ones that are talking like Goobster posted are hear say. He heard it from someone and is talking to the media.
How is he NOT troubled and a sick kid, he killed 20 babies?
THANK YOU!!!!!
How hard of a concept is that???
You have to be 'off' somehow to go do what he did!!!
Why do you NEED confirmation that something was wrong??? CLEARLY THERE WAS!!!!
Who cares that exactly 'what' was wrong hasn't been confirmed. It doesn't change the fact that his mother was careless in having those guns around and teaching him how to use one!
But that doesn't mean he showed signs of being THIS troubled and sick before this happened.
He was Obviously sick to commit this type of crime, but that doesn't mean he had shown any clear signs of it.
Not every person who has killed has shown signs of being mentally ill before the killing. I am pretty sure if this mother knew her son was capable of this she would have not been living with him alone for fear of her own life. unless she locked herself in her room every night with her guns because she was deathly afraid of him.
I will NEVER be convinced that there weren't signs. Never. A crime as heinous, cold, and sickening as this does not just come out of nowhere. I guarantee once they look more into this baby killer's life they will see there were signs everywhere. The more likely case is people around him chose to ignore the signs because of the "not my child" syndrome so many parents are afflicted by in this country.
I just don't buy the "there were no signs, he just snapped one day" theory. That's a load of cr@p IMO. I have NO doubt in my mind there was something up with this lunatic..........and it will come out. Just wait and see.
I agree
No one wakes up one morning and decides they are going to go shoot a gun off in an elementary school but not before they shoot their mother in the face 4 times!
Sorry, but nothing any of you will say will convince myself and a good portion of the world that he was sane up until he started his heinous crime. Nor that his mother or family didn't see signs.
NO ONE is saying he was SANE, you can be a really sick individual and have everything bottled up inside where no one knows. What we are saying is he may not have shown signs of how sick he really was.
Sorry but did you see the pictures of him. He LOOKED crazy. NO one can convince me that his mother didn't know otherwise.
Oh OK, your right because he eyes are bugged out of his head in the pic.
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Sorry but did you see the pictures of him. He LOOKED crazy. NO one can convince me that his mother didn't know otherwise.
Seriously? Do we not remember the Trayvon Martian pictures of a choir boy looking 12 year old splashed in the media when all his recent pics showed a much bigger looking kid who had gold teeth and was tyoing all kinds of "awesome" things via twitter......But you are soooooo right lets judge people by how they look, oh and while we do that lets make sure the pictures are AT LEST 5-10 years old.
For fun lets all post a pic of when WE were 10 so we can pick the mass murderer out of the bunch
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| Posted 12/19/12 4:29 PM |
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Re: CT shooting..god I'm not looking to start drama..but
Posted by PennyJ923
Posted by jacquig
Sorry but did you see the pictures of him. He LOOKED crazy. NO one can convince me that his mother didn't know otherwise.
Oh OK, your right because he eyes are bugged out of his head in the pic.
Its not worth responding at this point. There are some people who just cant get what we are trying to say, that we are not trying to convince them of anything.
But they just don't get it. I'm done trying.
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