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MrsPenthouse
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Re: Delaying the MMR shot
One last thing, concerns with the aggressive schedule isn't so much autism but asthma and allergies which studies are currently evaluating the correlations between the alarming increases and vax. I do all I can to protect my children- drug free birth, Breastfeeding, organics...I'll be damned if I allow anyone to inject their bodies with anytjing without asking questions.
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Re: Delaying the MMR shot
Yeah, medical professionals and public health officials make these guidelines. Most of us here haven't had the training in immunology, virology, biochemistry etc that these people have. The age guidelines are absolutely not arbitrary! Guidelines vary by country and are related to many different factors such as infection rates and the body's immunological response. The whole premise is cost vs benefit analysis for the individual and society as a whole to best protect us from these awful diseases that can and have killed people. These decisions are based in real and sound research.
Then why do other countries even delay vaccinating until a child is 2 years old? I believe Japan is one of those countries. The vaccine schedule followed in the US is extremely aggressive - why do other countries then choose to not follow the US's lead re: vaccine schedules?
Children today get way more vaccines now than we did as kids. By delaying the "start" of vaccinating, you are essentially just reducing the amount of doses your child gets to become equivalent to what we received as children.
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maymama
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Re: Delaying the MMR shot
Posted by MrsPenthouse
I know this thread is bout MMR but i wanted to comment on the human diploid cells in Varicella. What a Pp mentioned was correct. Here is the package insert for varivax which mentions it.
Some food for thought, if the dosage is the same for a 1 year old as it is for a 3 year old isn't it logical to wait until the child's liver (which will process the toxins in the vax) and gut have matured a bit more? I understand that sometimes you can't due to daycare ect but if your child is home and you've passed on your immunities to your child via Breastfeeding waiting is fine. Further, the CDC vax recommendations are guidelines, the provide a range not a firm age. http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/v/varivax/varivax_pi.pdfhttp://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/v/varivax/varivax_pi.pdf
you are making this whole "human diploid cell thing" so much worse than it is. it is NOT countless cells from countless fetus'. it is a few cells from 2 fetus' used to recreate human cells in labs.
without technology, there is no evolution. without science, we would all be dead.
and what about those of us who could not or chose not to BF 
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MrsPenthouse
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Re: Delaying the MMR shot
Posted by maymama
Posted by MrsPenthouse
I know this thread is bout MMR but i wanted to comment on the human diploid cells in Varicella. What a Pp mentioned was correct. Here is the package insert for varivax which mentions it.
Some food for thought, if the dosage is the same for a 1 year old as it is for a 3 year old isn't it logical to wait until the child's liver (which will process the toxins in the vax) and gut have matured a bit more? I understand that sometimes you can't due to daycare ect but if your child is home and you've passed on your immunities to your child via Breastfeeding waiting is fine. Further, the CDC vax recommendations are guidelines, the provide a range not a firm age. http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/v/varivax/varivax_pi.pdfhttp://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/v/varivax/varivax_pi.pdf
you are making this whole "human diploid cell thing" so much worse than it is. it is NOT countless cells from countless fetus'. it is a few cells from 2 fetus' used to recreate human cells in labs.
without technology, there is no evolution. without science, we would all be dead.
and what about those of us who could not or chose not to BF
Who are you to tell me what my convictions should be? I'm prolife and fully informed and to me the fact that fetal cells (I understand they are many, many times removed) are used is a non starter. If you don't care- great! I am fie with whatever choices you make for your child! If you don't Breastfeed then follow the CDC guidelines...or don't! I can only speak to what my experience is, never have I said that what I believe applies to all.
I'm grateful for science but all advancement are not necessarily progress, we should each be allowed to decide that for ourselves.
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Re: Delaying the MMR shot
An MMR vaccine debate? Well this is new!!! 
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Re: Delaying the MMR shot
Posted by MrsPenthouse
Posted by maymama
Posted by MrsPenthouse
I know this thread is bout MMR but i wanted to comment on the human diploid cells in Varicella. What a Pp mentioned was correct. Here is the package insert for varivax which mentions it.
Some food for thought, if the dosage is the same for a 1 year old as it is for a 3 year old isn't it logical to wait until the child's liver (which will process the toxins in the vax) and gut have matured a bit more? I understand that sometimes you can't due to daycare ect but if your child is home and you've passed on your immunities to your child via Breastfeeding waiting is fine. Further, the CDC vax recommendations are guidelines, the provide a range not a firm age. http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/v/varivax/varivax_pi.pdfhttp://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/v/varivax/varivax_pi.pdf
you are making this whole "human diploid cell thing" so much worse than it is. it is NOT countless cells from countless fetus'. it is a few cells from 2 fetus' used to recreate human cells in labs.
without technology, there is no evolution. without science, we would all be dead.
and what about those of us who could not or chose not to BF
Who are you to tell me what my convictions should be? I'm prolife and fully informed and to me the fact that fetal cells (I understand they are many, many times removed) are used is a non starter. If you don't care- great! I am fie with whatever choices you make for your child! If you don't Breastfeed then follow the CDC guidelines...or don't! I can only speak to what my experience is, never have I said that what I believe applies to all.
I'm grateful for science but all advancement are not necessarily progress, we should each be allowed to decide that for ourselves.
defensive much? how did I attack your "convictions?" All I did was state facts. You are giving half truths to people who may not fully understand. At least provide accurate information.
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Re: Delaying the MMR shot
Posted by Chai77
Posted by phoenix913
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Posted by maymama
Posted by Cacarina
There are few reported cases of these diseases because people vaccinate. If people stopped vaccinating, we'd see a rise in these diseases and many more deaths than the flu.
this is why there have been increased cases of measles!
Bingo!
But, again, most people in this thread ARE getting the vaccine. Just not at 12 or 15 months.
What you guys are talking about, I think, is people who never get the vaccine.
I'm just wondering if it's that big of a public health risk for kids to get it 6-12 months later than recommended, which I guess no one can really answer. I mean who decided 15 months was the perfect age? And why? Or is it all just kind of arbitrary?
I guess I should look more into who came up with the CDC schedule and how.
Yeah, medical professionals and public health officials make these guidelines. Most of us here haven't had the training in immunology, virology, biochemistry etc that these people have. The age guidelines are absolutely not arbitrary! Guidelines vary by country and are related to many different factors such as infection rates and the body's immunological response. The whole premise is cost vs benefit analysis for the individual and society as a whole to best protect us from these awful diseases that can and have killed people. These decisions are based in real and sound research.
The decisions are based on herd immunity. Do you REALLY think the CDC is sitting there thinking of individual babies? The benefits outweigh the risks when it comes to portecting the herd.
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Re: Delaying the MMR shot
Posted by lcherian
I'm fully aware that there is no link between mmr and autism. However, I think the current vaccination schedule is too aggressive.
Totally agreed. Compare the US vaccination schedule with other industrialized nations - we're the most aggressive by far, but don't have better outcomes.
We stagger shots. DD got the MMR at 13 months, but it was the only shot she got for a long time, before and after.
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Re: Delaying the MMR shot
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by maymama
am I the only one who never doubted or questioned the timeline with this vaccine?
i showed up and he got it. never a doubt in my mind. my ped is the one who incurred serious debts from all those years in med school - I chose them and I trust them. i follow their lead.
Nope you are NOT the only one.
She gets her shots on time, per the schedule my ped recommends.
I figure he knows a LITTLE bit more than I do about these things.
Med school trumps Google.
Not always. Many medical schools are funded by pharmaceutical companies. Many times, THEY are the ones who are giving med students their information. So it's certainly not the doctor's fault. It's some who are teaching them when they are in school.
Doesn't it strike anyone as odd that kids have extreme reactions that last for days from these kinds of chemicals being forced into their bodies. Doesn't it sound like that is the human body trying to say that something is wrong? There is something very unnatural there. It's hard to make a strong case for a vaccine that is only 15 years old (the MMR) when the human body's natural response is to fight it.
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Re: Delaying the MMR shot
Posted by Songwriter76
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by maymama
am I the only one who never doubted or questioned the timeline with this vaccine?
i showed up and he got it. never a doubt in my mind. my ped is the one who incurred serious debts from all those years in med school - I chose them and I trust them. i follow their lead.
Nope you are NOT the only one.
She gets her shots on time, per the schedule my ped recommends.
I figure he knows a LITTLE bit more than I do about these things.
Med school trumps Google.
Not always. Many medical schools are funded by pharmaceutical companies. Many times, THEY are the ones who are giving med students their information. So it's certainly not the doctor's fault. It's some who are teaching them when they are in school.
Doesn't it strike anyone as odd that kids have extreme reactions that last for days from these kinds of chemicals being forced into their bodies. Doesn't it sound like that is the human body trying to say that something is wrong? There is something very unnatural there. It's hard to make a strong case for a vaccine that is only 15 years old (the MMR) when the human body's natural response is to fight it.
 well said!
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maymama
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Re: Delaying the MMR shot
Posted by Songwriter76
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by maymama
am I the only one who never doubted or questioned the timeline with this vaccine?
i showed up and he got it. never a doubt in my mind. my ped is the one who incurred serious debts from all those years in med school - I chose them and I trust them. i follow their lead.
Nope you are NOT the only one.
She gets her shots on time, per the schedule my ped recommends.
I figure he knows a LITTLE bit more than I do about these things.
Med school trumps Google.
Not always. Many medical schools are funded by pharmaceutical companies. Many times, THEY are the ones who are giving med students their information. So it's certainly not the doctor's fault. It's some who are teaching them when they are in school.
Doesn't it strike anyone as odd that kids have extreme reactions that last for days from these kinds of chemicals being forced into their bodies. Doesn't it sound like that is the human body trying to say that something is wrong? There is something very unnatural there. It's hard to make a strong case for a vaccine that is only 15 years old (the MMR) when the human body's natural response is to fight it.
i understand completely what you are saying... but there are many, many instances where people do "unnatural" things to their bodies which can cause "side effects". There is a greater cause. Take IVF for instance. Think of all the drugs and what those drugs do to a woman's body during the process. Why? To have a child that she likely could not have without science.
i hate to say it but if vaccines didn't exist, I guarantee a LARGE portion of the women posting on this thread would never have existed. Without vaccines, 1 in 4 would have been wiped out by polio. That means, potentially 1 out of your 4 grandparents, 1 out of my 4 grandparents. Many of us would not be here.
There is a sacrifice and of course some will have reactions, some may even become ill. Survival of the fittest some may say.
I do not wish to come across as attacking anyone, never my intention. The OP asked for experience and factual information. I will not claim to be pro life or pro choice here because that doesnt matter and is not what the OP was asking for. She is asking for truth, I am pro truth. 
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ReiRei13
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Re: Delaying the MMR shot
Posted by maymama
Posted by Songwriter76
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by maymama
am I the only one who never doubted or questioned the timeline with this vaccine?
i showed up and he got it. never a doubt in my mind. my ped is the one who incurred serious debts from all those years in med school - I chose them and I trust them. i follow their lead.
Nope you are NOT the only one.
She gets her shots on time, per the schedule my ped recommends.
I figure he knows a LITTLE bit more than I do about these things.
Med school trumps Google.
Not always. Many medical schools are funded by pharmaceutical companies. Many times, THEY are the ones who are giving med students their information. So it's certainly not the doctor's fault. It's some who are teaching them when they are in school.
Doesn't it strike anyone as odd that kids have extreme reactions that last for days from these kinds of chemicals being forced into their bodies. Doesn't it sound like that is the human body trying to say that something is wrong? There is something very unnatural there. It's hard to make a strong case for a vaccine that is only 15 years old (the MMR) when the human body's natural response is to fight it.
i understand completely what you are saying... but there are many, many instances where people do "unnatural" things to their bodies which can cause "side effects". There is a greater cause. Take IVF for instance. Think of all the drugs and what those drugs do to a woman's body during the process. Why? To have a child that she likely could not have without science.
i hate to say it but if vaccines didn't exist, I guarantee a LARGE portion of the women posting on this thread would never have existed. Without vaccines, 1 in 4 would have been wiped out by polio. That means, potentially 1 out of your 4 grandparents, 1 out of my 4 grandparents. Many of us would not be here.
There is a sacrifice and of course some will have reactions, some may even become ill. Survival of the fittest some may say.
I do not wish to come across as attacking anyone, never my intention. The OP asked for experience and factual information. I will not claim to be pro life or pro choice here because that doesnt matter and is not what the OP was asking for. She is asking for truth, I am pro truth.
FYI- Polio was on a SERIOUS decline before the vaccine was even introduced, even though the vaccine gets most of the credit. Whats not well known is that at the same time the vaccine was introduced, the criteria for classifying polio changed. Prior to the vaccine, polio was comprised of 3 illnesses: Polio, Aseptic Menegitis, Coxsackie in one... so if you had any of the 3 it went under Polio. Also, if you had paralysis for 24 hours it was diagnosed as Polio. Around the time the vaccine came out, that changed and each illness was diagnosed as just that, itself. Also the criteria of 24 hrs of paralysis changed to 60 DAYS!! Thats HUGE!!! Right there, the numbers are going to decrease!!
So I really am NOT confident in giving the vaccine all the credit on this one!!
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ReiRei13
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Re: Delaying the MMR shot
SO TRUE!!!
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Re: Delaying the MMR shot
Posted by Songwriter76
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by maymama
am I the only one who never doubted or questioned the timeline with this vaccine?
i showed up and he got it. never a doubt in my mind. my ped is the one who incurred serious debts from all those years in med school - I chose them and I trust them. i follow their lead.
Nope you are NOT the only one.
She gets her shots on time, per the schedule my ped recommends.
I figure he knows a LITTLE bit more than I do about these things.
Med school trumps Google.
Not always. Many medical schools are funded by pharmaceutical companies. Many times, THEY are the ones who are giving med students their information. So it's certainly not the doctor's fault. It's some who are teaching them when they are in school.
Doesn't it strike anyone as odd that kids have extreme reactions that last for days from these kinds of chemicals being forced into their bodies. Doesn't it sound like that is the human body trying to say that something is wrong? There is something very unnatural there. It's hard to make a strong case for a vaccine that is only 15 years old (the MMR) when the human body's natural response is to fight it.
Not for nothing.... But my body couldn't even tolerate my own fetus for over 6 months. I couldn't drink a glass of water without retching for 30 minutes. I have extreme reactions to my AF as well. Our bodies react to everything!
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Re: Delaying the MMR shot
Posted by ReiRei13
Posted by maymama
Posted by Songwriter76
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by maymama
am I the only one who never doubted or questioned the timeline with this vaccine?
i showed up and he got it. never a doubt in my mind. my ped is the one who incurred serious debts from all those years in med school - I chose them and I trust them. i follow their lead.
Nope you are NOT the only one.
She gets her shots on time, per the schedule my ped recommends.
I figure he knows a LITTLE bit more than I do about these things.
Med school trumps Google.
Not always. Many medical schools are funded by pharmaceutical companies. Many times, THEY are the ones who are giving med students their information. So it's certainly not the doctor's fault. It's some who are teaching them when they are in school.
Doesn't it strike anyone as odd that kids have extreme reactions that last for days from these kinds of chemicals being forced into their bodies. Doesn't it sound like that is the human body trying to say that something is wrong? There is something very unnatural there. It's hard to make a strong case for a vaccine that is only 15 years old (the MMR) when the human body's natural response is to fight it.
i understand completely what you are saying... but there are many, many instances where people do "unnatural" things to their bodies which can cause "side effects". There is a greater cause. Take IVF for instance. Think of all the drugs and what those drugs do to a woman's body during the process. Why? To have a child that she likely could not have without science.
i hate to say it but if vaccines didn't exist, I guarantee a LARGE portion of the women posting on this thread would never have existed. Without vaccines, 1 in 4 would have been wiped out by polio. That means, potentially 1 out of your 4 grandparents, 1 out of my 4 grandparents. Many of us would not be here.
There is a sacrifice and of course some will have reactions, some may even become ill. Survival of the fittest some may say.
I do not wish to come across as attacking anyone, never my intention. The OP asked for experience and factual information. I will not claim to be pro life or pro choice here because that doesnt matter and is not what the OP was asking for. She is asking for truth, I am pro truth.
FYI- Polio was on a SERIOUS decline before the vaccine was even introduced, even though the vaccine gets most of the credit. Whats not well known is that at the same time the vaccine was introduced, the criteria for classifying polio changed. Prior to the vaccine, polio was comprised of 3 illnesses: Polio, Aseptic Menegitis, Coxsackie in one... so if you had any of the 3 it went under Polio. Also, if you had paralysis for 24 hours it was diagnosed as Polio. Around the time the vaccine came out, that changed and each illness was diagnosed as just that, itself. Also the criteria of 24 hrs of paralysis changed to 60 DAYS!! Thats HUGE!!! Right there, the numbers are going to decrease!!
So I really am NOT confident in giving the vaccine all the credit on this one!!
I would love to see a reliable source stating this. Not one From an anti vaccine group (don't forget..... They get funding out the wazoo as well.... Not to mention make fortunes aligning with lawyers who defend "immunization damaged" kids)
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NervousNell
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Re: Delaying the MMR shot
God have mercy - enough!
Do what you want.
Don't vaccinate your kids.
Delay it.
Don't delay it.
Breastfeed them till their 20.
Give them cigarettes with breakfast.
Only feed them soybeans you grew organically in your backyard.
Feed them McD's every night.
WHO CARES?
This thread has gotten way out of control.
Nobody is going to convince anyone else to change their stance so just do what's best for you and move on .
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Diane
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Re: Delaying the MMR shot
Posted by Chai77
I am really trying not to start another vaccination debate and I know I'm not answering your question, but why are you automatically scared of the MMR and are now looking for reasons to justify not administering it?
Just feel the need to restate- There is absolutely NO evidence the MMR vaccine causes autism.
That is YOUR opinion. People will have their own opinions. Dont judge me for my actions, and I will not judge anyone on theirs.
Live what I lived through and maybe people will have a different opinion.
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maymama
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Re: Delaying the MMR shot
Posted by lipglossjunky73
Posted by ReiRei13
i understand completely what you are saying... but there are many, many instances where people do "unnatural" things to their bodies which can cause "side effects". There is a greater cause. Take IVF for instance. Think of all the drugs and what those drugs do to a woman's body during the process. Why? To have a child that she likely could not have without science.
i hate to say it but if vaccines didn't exist, I guarantee a LARGE portion of the women posting on this thread would never have existed. Without vaccines, 1 in 4 would have been wiped out by polio. That means, potentially 1 out of your 4 grandparents, 1 out of my 4 grandparents. Many of us would not be here.
There is a sacrifice and of course some will have reactions, some may even become ill. Survival of the fittest some may say.
I do not wish to come across as attacking anyone, never my intention. The OP asked for experience and factual information. I will not claim to be pro life or pro choice here because that doesnt matter and is not what the OP was asking for. She is asking for truth, I am pro truth.
FYI- Polio was on a SERIOUS decline before the vaccine was even introduced, even though the vaccine gets most of the credit. Whats not well known is that at the same time the vaccine was introduced, the criteria for classifying polio changed. Prior to the vaccine, polio was comprised of 3 illnesses: Polio, Aseptic Menegitis, Coxsackie in one... so if you had any of the 3 it went under Polio. Also, if you had paralysis for 24 hours it was diagnosed as Polio. Around the time the vaccine came out, that changed and each illness was diagnosed as just that, itself. Also the criteria of 24 hrs of paralysis changed to 60 DAYS!! Thats HUGE!!! Right there, the numbers are going to decrease!!
So I really am NOT confident in giving the vaccine all the credit on this one!!
I would love to see a reliable source stating this. Not one From an anti vaccine group (don't forget..... They get funding out the wazoo as well.... Not to mention make fortunes aligning with lawyers who defend "immunization damaged" kids)
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ehhh, the above doesn't phase me (true or untrue). Without the polio vaccine, the disease would have had MANY resurgences, more people would have died. polio is basically non-existat. Not because of a change in protocol for diagnosing but because of the vaccine. Same as most other diseases that we vaccinate for
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Re: Delaying the MMR shot
Posted by NervousNell
God have mercy - enough!
Do what you want.
Don't vaccinate your kids.
Delay it.
Don't delay it.
Breastfeed them till their 20.
Give them cigarettes with breakfast.
Only feed them soybeans you grew organically in your backyard.
Feed them McD's every night.
WHO CARES?
This thread has gotten way out of control.
Nobody is going to convince anyone else to change their stance so just do what's best for you and move on .
I agree 1000%, except that I would give thema beer with the cigarettes for breakfast.
this thread is an example of how some posters do not get enough attention at home.
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Re: Delaying the MMR shot
Posted by MrsDrMatt
I agree 1000%, except that I would give thema beer with the cigarettes for breakfast.
I consider myself a short-order cook, so I will give them the option of beer, vodka, bloody mary's, or mimosa's with the cigarettes. Or cigars. 
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Re: Delaying the MMR shot
Posted by maymama
Posted by lipglossjunky73
Posted by ReiRei13
i understand completely what you are saying... but there are many, many instances where people do "unnatural" things to their bodies which can cause "side effects". There is a greater cause. Take IVF for instance. Think of all the drugs and what those drugs do to a woman's body during the process. Why? To have a child that she likely could not have without science.
i hate to say it but if vaccines didn't exist, I guarantee a LARGE portion of the women posting on this thread would never have existed. Without vaccines, 1 in 4 would have been wiped out by polio. That means, potentially 1 out of your 4 grandparents, 1 out of my 4 grandparents. Many of us would not be here.
There is a sacrifice and of course some will have reactions, some may even become ill. Survival of the fittest some may say.
I do not wish to come across as attacking anyone, never my intention. The OP asked for experience and factual information. I will not claim to be pro life or pro choice here because that doesnt matter and is not what the OP was asking for. She is asking for truth, I am pro truth.
FYI- Polio was on a SERIOUS decline before the vaccine was even introduced, even though the vaccine gets most of the credit. Whats not well known is that at the same time the vaccine was introduced, the criteria for classifying polio changed. Prior to the vaccine, polio was comprised of 3 illnesses: Polio, Aseptic Menegitis, Coxsackie in one... so if you had any of the 3 it went under Polio. Also, if you had paralysis for 24 hours it was diagnosed as Polio. Around the time the vaccine came out, that changed and each illness was diagnosed as just that, itself. Also the criteria of 24 hrs of paralysis changed to 60 DAYS!! Thats HUGE!!! Right there, the numbers are going to decrease!!
So I really am NOT confident in giving the vaccine all the credit on this one!!
I would love to see a reliable source stating this. Not one From an anti vaccine group (don't forget..... They get funding out the wazoo as well.... Not to mention make fortunes aligning with lawyers who defend "immunization damaged" kids)
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ehhh, the above doesn't phase me (true or untrue). Without the polio vaccine, the disease would have had MANY resurgences, more people would have died. polio is basically non-existat. Not because of a change in protocol for diagnosing but because of the vaccine. Same as most other diseases that we vaccinate for
I believe I read that India had given many kids with the polio vaccine, and many reported that they caused paralysis.
Many diseases are making a comeback even with vaccines, such as whooping cough. My neighbor just got the chicken pox after being vaccinated. My kids are NOT vaccinated against varicella, and will not. My choice, not a deadly disease, my whole family got it and were just fine
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| Posted 8/31/12 4:14 PM |
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maymama
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Re: Delaying the MMR shot
Posted by Diane
I believe I read that India had given many kids with the polio vaccine, and many reported that they caused paralysis.
Many diseases are making a comeback even with vaccines, such as whooping cough. My neighbor just got the chicken pox after being vaccinated. My kids are NOT vaccinated against varicella, and will not. My choice, not a deadly disease, my whole family got it and were just fine
nothing in life but death and taxes are guaranteed 
this is my last post on the subject. why do you think many diseases are making a come back? people are deciding NOT to vaccinate or vaccinate late! They then travel overseas, contract a disease and bring it home and spread it to those who are also not vaccinated or those who are too young to be vaccinated.
i think everyone should make up their own mind but when my child's health is compromised because someone else decides that they will not vaccinate - its a hard pill to swollow. When that same person says they refuse to vaccinate because fetal cells were used to study and create the vaccine, and then innocent children get sick and die ... well, i don't see the justice in that either.
nothing in life is fair. i guess we just all agree to disagree.
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| Posted 8/31/12 4:28 PM |
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computergirl
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Re: Delaying the MMR shot
Posted by Diane
I believe I read that India had given many kids with the polio vaccine, and many reported that they caused paralysis.
Many diseases are making a comeback even with vaccines, such as whooping cough. My neighbor just got the chicken pox after being vaccinated. My kids are NOT vaccinated against varicella, and will not. My choice, not a deadly disease, my whole family got it and were just fine
This is true about polio. Third-world countries rely on the oral polio vaccine (OPV), which has been phased out by most western countries in favor of the inactivated polio vaccine (IPV). The problem with OPV is that it contains weakened live virus and thus can cause polio. Even worse, the person who contracts polio from the OPV can then pass it along to others, thus causing localized outbreaks. More theoretically speaking, I imagine this version of vaccine-caused polio could mutate the way viruses generally do, causing a resurgence of virulent polio in our society.
This is why there continue to be small outbreaks of polio in places like India and Pakistan, despite wild poliovirus being pretty much eradicated for a long time now.
(Note: I am not anti-vaccine at all, I only DELAY my children's vaccines, they have had all of them including annual flu shots. I read about this in a news article, not from any radical anti-vax sources. So I'm just relating some info I read about, not trying to spread any anti-vax propaganda)
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| Posted 8/31/12 4:31 PM |
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computergirl
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Re: Delaying the MMR shot
Posted by maymama
i think everyone should make up their own mind but when my child's health is compromised because someone else decides that they will not vaccinate - its a hard pill to swollow. When that same person says they refuse to vaccinate because fetal cells were used to study and create the vaccine, and then innocent children get sick and die ... well, i don't see the justice in that either.
nothing in life is fair. i guess we just all agree to disagree.
To address this point, as someone who does delay vaccines--
If anyone thinks my decision to delay was selfish, I certainly am fine with that perception. As a mother, my #1 responsibility is the health and safety of MY child. Not yours. It's one thing if you truly believe there are no risks to vaccinations. However, if I have a valid concern about a particular vaccine, I have NO intention of risking my child's well-being and possibly causing permanent damage for the sake of "the greater good".
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| Posted 8/31/12 4:38 PM |
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MSeid
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Re: Delaying the MMR shot
My son is 30 months and I will probably give it to him right before his 3rd birthday. I am the mother and that's my choice for my son. I don't give a crap what article says what, who says what, and what doctors say. I am doing what I am comfortable with. I am not doing chicken pox.
ETA: I gave my son the flu shot last winter. Within a week he had the flu and pnemounia.
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