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maymama
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Re: Delaying the MMR shot
PS - they DO NOT use continue to use cells from aborted fetus' for every vaccine made.
cells were taken from 2-3 aborted (healthy) fetus' in total and then recreated in a laboratory in order to continue to make the vaccine.
(Human diploid cells are batches of human cells that are grown in a laboratory. Unlike cancer cells, they have the same number of chromosomes as normal human cells.)
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maymama
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Re: Delaying the MMR shot
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Posted by maymama
ahhh online research.
there is RESEARCH (medical databases, accredited journals, white papers, peer reviewed clinical studies)
then there is internet research - GOOGLE, LIF and WIKIPEDIA.
that is the problem here.
And then there's YOU, who just trusts their doctor!!
And trust me, I have done a lot more research besides google, LIF (thats laughable) and Wikipedia.
wrong  go back and re-read the posts i have written on this thread. I did MASSIVE research (which was later supported by my ped). AKA sat my ass in medical libraries within universities on LI and researched this thing until it was dead. Not sat at home, online where I could not access accredited journals or resources.
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| Posted 8/29/12 4:39 PM |
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maymama
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Re: Delaying the MMR shot
Posted by ReiRei13
Posted by Pray4Baby2010
Posted by Bearcat
Posted by MrsPenthouse
I will delay MMR until DS is 3 and seek a religious exemption to varicella because I have an issue with the aborted fetal cells used to manufacture it.
Can you please provide the source that you found which indicates that the varicella vaccine is made with aborted fetal cells?
Thank you!
I'm curious about that as well- is that really true?
It's under the ingredients of human diploid cells
Ingredients
Edit-
More on human diploid cells
furthermore, do you realize one of your "resources" from www.novaccine.com actually states "wave - the most complete vaccine research resource. STUDY VACCINE DATA FROM A NON-MEDICAL point of view."
I do not want anything other than medical points of view! This resource is an anti-vaccine resource!
"About WAVE
The World Association for Vaccine Education (WAVE) is globally focused, non-profit, educational institution advocating reformation of the mass vaccination systems. To this effect, WAVE provides an avenue for a public exchange of non-medical vaccine information, ideas and a continuously updated database of documents that concern vaccine risk and uselessness. It’s intent is to redress the balance of information available to parents on vaccination issues, acknowledge people who experience vaccine reactions, and adamantly advocate and maintain freedom of choice. "
Vaccine uselessness - great source!
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phoenix913
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Re: Delaying the MMR shot
Posted by maymama
ahhh online research.
there is RESEARCH (medical databases, accredited journals, white papers, peer reviewed clinical studies)
then there is internet research - GOOGLE, LIF and WIKIPEDIA.
that is the problem here.
I'm not sure if you are referring to me since I am the OP, but I posted to here to get real life examples from moms who have been there, done that. I do not appreciate the implication that just b/c I posted here I won't also be doing other research. I am a librarian so I know all about how to conduct proper research, thank you very much.
I simply thought this board could be a good resource and a good starting point for me since there's a ton of info out there.
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| Posted 8/29/12 4:55 PM |
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sugar-magnolia
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Re: Delaying the MMR shot
DD had her MMR shot yesterday. She turned 3 years old last week. The only reason I gave it to her this early is because I got a letter from nursery school saying she couldn't start in Sept. unless she had the shot. That being said, I have followed the alternative vaccine schedule from The Vaccine Book from day one, and she has never had an adverse reaction to a shot. I really wanted to separate the M, M, & R but my ped doesn't do it that way.
Neither one of my kids have ever had a flu shot either. I am contemplating having everyone have a flu shot this year b/c baby #3 is due in Feb. and I would never forgive myself if the newborn gets sick and I could have done something to prevent it in the middle of flu season.
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| Posted 8/29/12 4:56 PM |
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maymama
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Re: Delaying the MMR shot
Posted by phoenix913
Posted by maymama
ahhh online research.
there is RESEARCH (medical databases, accredited journals, white papers, peer reviewed clinical studies)
then there is internet research - GOOGLE, LIF and WIKIPEDIA.
that is the problem here.
I'm not sure if you are referring to me since I am the OP, but I posted to here to get real life examples from moms who have been there, done that. I do not appreciate the implication that just b/c I posted here I won't also be doing other research. I am a librarian so I know all about how to conduct proper research, thank you very much.
I simply thought this board could be a good resource and a good starting point for me since there's a ton of info out there.
no, just in general.  as a librarian (not sure what type) you can probably agree that a large portion of the population does not know how to conduct proper research.
Message edited 8/29/2012 4:59:54 PM.
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Re: Delaying the MMR shot
Posted by phoenix913
Just one more question, for those that delayed until 3 or even later, did your kids go to daycare? Did your daycare give you trouble about them not having it?
My DD stays home w/ me. She just got the shot and will start school in Sept. IF she went to daycare, I probably would have had no choice but to vaccinate earlier, or have a sitter in our home.
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| Posted 8/29/12 4:59 PM |
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Bebelove
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Re: Delaying the MMR shot
I agree w Janice
My ds was written off as having colic. I did my research andhe had problems that could be solved with meds! Always do your own research. Docs don't k ow everything and pretty much go by what aap says at the moment
I delayed MMR for my kids bc that is what I felt comfortable doing. They are now all caught up
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| Posted 8/29/12 5:02 PM |
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MrsDrMatt
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Re: Delaying the MMR shot
We did not delay the shot
dd#1 no reaction
twins - classic bad reactions
we still do not regret our decision. the advantages outweigh the risks.
p.s. look at my screen name, my family has done its research thoroughly.
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TessMike214
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Re: Delaying the MMR shot
I go with the shot schedule that our pediatrician gives. The MMR shot was scheduled for 15 months, and then 4-5 years old.
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| Posted 8/29/12 6:07 PM |
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MichLiz213
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Delaying the MMR shot
I stick to the schedule of the ped. Even though my brother had a HORRIBLE reaction to the DPT and does have Autism. I did my research, spoke to my ped, even brought up my concerns to my mother, who had most of the diseases that are vaccinated against today.
As parents we have to do what we feel is right for our children. My dad had a very, very serious case of Swine Flu. I've lived Autism for 20 years, maybe not as a parent, but a sister 7 years older. Losing DS from something that could have been prevented scares me more. Almost losing my dad was something that I will never forget.
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| Posted 8/29/12 6:14 PM |
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gabbygirl855
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Re: Delaying the MMR shot
I am delaying them.
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| Posted 8/29/12 6:24 PM |
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MrsH2009
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Re: Delaying the MMR shot
Question for those whose children did have reactions. Did they have reactions to previous vaccines?
TIA
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| Posted 8/29/12 6:30 PM |
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Chai77
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Re: Delaying the MMR shot
And this has turned into a drama debate anyway...
I'd say live and let live, but unfortunately those of you who don't vaccinate or delay may actually be inadvertently exposing my three month old infant to a horrible disease. He can't get the vaccine, he's too young. That is why I get so upset about this issue, especially since it is not based on real scientific data. (yes, of couse there can be rare side effects to any shot or drug, but the point is they are *very* rare. Much less likely than getting measles, mumps or rubella).
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| Posted 8/29/12 6:32 PM |
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phoenix913
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Re: Delaying the MMR shot
If you read one of my earlier posts, there were only 225 reported cases of measles for the entire US for the entire year 2011. So I would say that's pretty rare too.
Also, people who ARE vaccinated can, and do, get these diseases also.
It's interesting to me that the flu is much more common and can also be deadly, and yet that shot is voluntary.
Anyways, once again, I am not against vaccines. I'm am nervous about this particular one being giving at this early of an age. But my DS WILL get it, just not sure when. I mean, he's had the potential to get measles for the past 15 months, is it that bad to wait 6-9 more?
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Cacarina
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Re: Delaying the MMR shot
There are few reported cases of these diseases because people vaccinate. If people stopped vaccinating, we'd see a rise in these diseases and many more deaths than the flu.
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| Posted 8/29/12 8:08 PM |
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maymama
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Re: Delaying the MMR shot
Posted by Cacarina
There are few reported cases of these diseases because people vaccinate. If people stopped vaccinating, we'd see a rise in these diseases and many more deaths than the flu.
this is why there have been increased cases of measles!
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| Posted 8/29/12 8:17 PM |
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Chai77
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Re: Delaying the MMR shot
Posted by maymama
Posted by Cacarina
There are few reported cases of these diseases because people vaccinate. If people stopped vaccinating, we'd see a rise in these diseases and many more deaths than the flu.
this is why there have been increased cases of measles!
Bingo!
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mrswask
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Re: Delaying the MMR shot
I delayed both vaccines. Gave chicken pox at two year visit and MMR at 28 months. He had a reaction to chicken pox vaccine but not MMR.
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| Posted 8/29/12 9:02 PM |
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Katareen
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Re: Delaying the MMR shot
Posted by MrsH2009
Question for those whose children did have reactions. Did they have reactions to previous vaccines?
TIA
My DD had no reaction to any other vaccination--aside from a little redness at shot site.
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| Posted 8/29/12 9:03 PM |
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phoenix913
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Re: Delaying the MMR shot
Posted by Chai77
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Posted by Cacarina
There are few reported cases of these diseases because people vaccinate. If people stopped vaccinating, we'd see a rise in these diseases and many more deaths than the flu.
this is why there have been increased cases of measles!
Bingo!
But, again, most people in this thread ARE getting the vaccine. Just not at 12 or 15 months.
What you guys are talking about, I think, is people who never get the vaccine.
I'm just wondering if it's that big of a public health risk for kids to get it 6-12 months later than recommended, which I guess no one can really answer. I mean who decided 15 months was the perfect age? And why? Or is it all just kind of arbitrary?
I guess I should look more into who came up with the CDC schedule and how.
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| Posted 8/29/12 9:13 PM |
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Chai77
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Re: Delaying the MMR shot
Posted by phoenix913
Posted by Chai77
Posted by maymama
Posted by Cacarina
There are few reported cases of these diseases because people vaccinate. If people stopped vaccinating, we'd see a rise in these diseases and many more deaths than the flu.
this is why there have been increased cases of measles!
Bingo!
But, again, most people in this thread ARE getting the vaccine. Just not at 12 or 15 months.
What you guys are talking about, I think, is people who never get the vaccine.
I'm just wondering if it's that big of a public health risk for kids to get it 6-12 months later than recommended, which I guess no one can really answer. I mean who decided 15 months was the perfect age? And why? Or is it all just kind of arbitrary?
I guess I should look more into who came up with the CDC schedule and how.
Yeah, medical professionals and public health officials make these guidelines. Most of us here haven't had the training in immunology, virology, biochemistry etc that these people have. The age guidelines are absolutely not arbitrary! Guidelines vary by country and are related to many different factors such as infection rates and the body's immunological response. The whole premise is cost vs benefit analysis for the individual and society as a whole to best protect us from these awful diseases that can and have killed people. These decisions are based in real and sound research.
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Crunchewy
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Delaying the MMR shot
I had measles, rubella and chicken pox as a child, so my DS received all of his vaccines. I do not want him to go through what I did as a child.
We did delay his MMR for 2-3 months though. He had an ear infection at his 12 months check up, so he couldn't get it then.
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| Posted 8/29/12 10:19 PM |
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Re: Delaying the MMR shot
Didn't delay mmr for dd and won't for my ds either.
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| Posted 8/29/12 10:34 PM |
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MrsPenthouse
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Re: Delaying the MMR shot
I know this thread is bout MMR but i wanted to comment on the human diploid cells in Varicella. What a Pp mentioned was correct. Here is the package insert for varivax which mentions it.
Some food for thought, if the dosage is the same for a 1 year old as it is for a 3 year old isn't it logical to wait until the child's liver (which will process the toxins in the vax) and gut have matured a bit more? I understand that sometimes you can't due to daycare ect but if your child is home and you've passed on your immunities to your child via Breastfeeding waiting is fine. Further, the CDC vax recommendations are guidelines, the provide a range not a firm age. http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/v/varivax/varivax_pi.pdfhttp://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/v/varivax/varivax_pi.pdf
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