Re: Delaying the MMR shot

Message edited 8/29/2012 10:49:18 AM.

Re: Delaying the MMR shot

Posted by maymama

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Posted by maymama

Posted by Katareen

Posted by maymama

as a PP mentioned, I am not scared about my child being "off" for a few days (which he was around days 10/11 - mild rash and fever). I am worried about his exposure to all those who DO NOT vaccinate or vaccinate late in the game. To me, 1-2 days of being "off" trumps the possibility of contracting life threatening diseases because others chose not to vaccinate.

I understand this completely which is why I DO vaccinate on schedule, however seeing your baby's personality change literally overnight for a few WEEKS is beyond terrifying. Every day I woke up praying she was back to normal again and thankfully eventually she was. It just makes me think twice about next time.

how did it change? "normal" repsonse to MMR would be rash or low grade fever, increased sleeping. Nothing else would really be normal for reaction to MMR. Certainly not a personality change for weeks.

On/off fever for 2 weeks, as high as 103 at at times
Lethargic
Clumsiness (Ped thinks may be due to joint swelling which is a known side effect)
Irritability (prob due to fever/joint pain)
Lack of enjoyment of anything

Again, I'm not debating vaccines just telling my experience and why I might wait to give to future DC until 2 or 3. We have no ideas what a 12 month old is experiencing bc they can't verbalize it.

my DD ABSOLUTELY experienced clumsiness for about 5 days directly following the MMR vaccine. it was so noticeable that i called my PED and she said it wasn't related, but there was no other reason she would have been acting like that. luckily it did go away and we had no other symptoms of anything and haven't had any other issues. for this reason i would consider delaying the MMR in a future child, maybe to 18m or 2 years. but i trust my ped and i will continue to vaccinate my DD and any future children.

please do NOT take this the wrong way, not trying to debate but trying to understand. how do you see clumsiness and joint swelling in a 12-18m old? they are plump creatures who wabble and fall and plop all over.

a low grade fever for a few days will make a child lethargic, "clumsy" and off.

ETA - i do agree however that the above mentioned symptoms for WEEKS is not normal. that would scare the crap outta me but I would not immediately think MMR to blame. something else going on. glad it ended

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Posted by MeowMeow2

Posted by maymama

Posted by FlowerWife

Posted by Katareen

Posted by maymama

Posted by Katareen

Posted by maymama

as a PP mentioned, I am not scared about my child being "off" for a few days (which he was around days 10/11 - mild rash and fever). I am worried about his exposure to all those who DO NOT vaccinate or vaccinate late in the game. To me, 1-2 days of being "off" trumps the possibility of contracting life threatening diseases because others chose not to vaccinate.

I understand this completely which is why I DO vaccinate on schedule, however seeing your baby's personality change literally overnight for a few WEEKS is beyond terrifying. Every day I woke up praying she was back to normal again and thankfully eventually she was. It just makes me think twice about next time.

how did it change? "normal" repsonse to MMR would be rash or low grade fever, increased sleeping. Nothing else would really be normal for reaction to MMR. Certainly not a personality change for weeks.

On/off fever for 2 weeks, as high as 103 at at times
Lethargic
Clumsiness (Ped thinks may be due to joint swelling which is a known side effect)
Irritability (prob due to fever/joint pain)
Lack of enjoyment of anything

Again, I'm not debating vaccines just telling my experience and why I might wait to give to future DC until 2 or 3. We have no ideas what a 12 month old is experiencing bc they can't verbalize it.

my DD ABSOLUTELY experienced clumsiness for about 5 days directly following the MMR vaccine. it was so noticeable that i called my PED and she said it wasn't related, but there was no other reason she would have been acting like that. luckily it did go away and we had no other symptoms of anything and haven't had any other issues. for this reason i would consider delaying the MMR in a future child, maybe to 18m or 2 years. but i trust my ped and i will continue to vaccinate my DD and any future children.

please do NOT take this the wrong way, not trying to debate but trying to understand. how do you see clumsiness and joint swelling in a 12-18m old? they are plump creatures who wabble and fall and plop all over.

a low grade fever for a few days will make a child lethargic, "clumsy" and off.

ETA - i do agree however that the above mentioned symptoms for WEEKS is not normal. that would scare the crap outta me but I would not immediately think MMR to blame. something else going on. glad it ended

My child hasn't receive the mmr, yet. I just wanted to ask you, how do you know their children's symptoms weren't from the shot? Are you an expert in regards to the mmr? Not meant to be rude, but these ladies stated that their children had a noticable change in behavior for weeks. I would think they know their children well and know what is/isn't normal for them. It's great that your dc didn't have a reaction, but that's not the case for everyone.

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I delayed with both my kids.

With my DD, it wasn't necessary. She's never reacted to any shots. She's strong, she's healthy and there's just no question about her. But she had the shot at 19 months instead of 15, largely because she had a cold at 15 months and it threw off the schedule.

My DS is over 2 and hasn't had it yet, on the advice of my pediatrician. He reacted to several shots so I need to be prepared.

I had concerns about his speech at 15 months so they said they'd put it off until 18 months. At 18 months they gave him a different shot and said they'd put off the MMR until 2. At 2 they took blood work and decided to do an allergy test so I was waiting for the results of that before doing anything (many egg allergies in the family). I got the allergy results last week when I brought my DS to the ped because he was sick.

I have to wait for him to get better before I can give him the shot now.

I *know* there's no link, but I feel better about waiting. I plan to give it to him within the next month or so.

AND my kids are in day care. I didn't tell anyone that he didn't get his MMR and they didn't ask. He's up to date with everything else.

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Not quoting because it'll be too long...

I noticed these symptoms right after the MMR. Nothing else out of routine occurred at the same time (no new foods, products, etc). DD had been pulling herself up on tables/furniture and cruising for MONTHS. After the MMR she fell over every. single. time. It was like she completely forgot how to do it. When I alerted the Ped, he said some kids experience joint swelling after the shot so perhaps her joints were swelled and that's why she wasn't able to balance well. It made sense to me--and I trust my Ped. But it was still frightening.

To me it's the same as if you feed your DC strawberries. If they get a rash, you assume it's from the strawberry! You might give them another one the next day to be sure, but unfortunately we can't do the with a vaccine. We just have to make decisions based on the knowledge we have and our comfort level. I am still extremely pro-vaccine but to me it seemed my child's body wasn't mature enough at 12 months to handle the vaccine. Some Peds administer it at 15-18 months do I don't see waiting that long to be a problem.

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Both my DS's got their MMR as well as Chicken Pox at 15m. Both are beyond their age in development, DS1 is 4.5 and DS2 is 16m but as per my ped his development is that of a 20m old. He is articulate and very active.

Neither of my sons have had a reaction to any shots (beyond a bump at the injection site). I never questioned my Dr. I trusted her and believe in vaccinating my kids. I did question her as to why we now give the chicken pox, and after talking to her I remembered that my brother nearly died from his bout with chicken pox at 7yo (I was not yet born) so I gave that with no hesitation.

I dont believe in any link to autism and the MMR. I know a family with 2 kids both are autistic, one had the MMR at 15m the other was delayed until 3yo....both displayed the signs of autism by 18m if not younger.

As a parent you have to use your best judgement. If you delayed and your child contracted Measles or mumps how would you feel? Just as a PP said she would feel horrible if she gave the shot and her child was found to be autistic. M&M can kill, they have and with the trend to delay or even not vaccinate children these diseases are making a comeback.

If my child had reactions to previous shots, I would have delayed or separated so that they just rec'd MMR on that day and not 2 other shots as well.

GL
(PS you might want to discuss this with your ped, I know some peds will not delay and you might have to seek a new dr)

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I believe the current vaccination schedule is too aggressive and I've read all the package inserts for the vaccines that my DS is scheduled to receive....

Knowing what I know based on research of the PRODUCTS (not the internet), I am completely comfortable delaying the MMR and Varicella vaccines.

Do your research, read the package inserts, ask your Ped what brands they use and read The Vaccine Book. Your instincts will NOT steer your wrong, trust yourself.

It is proven that some children DO have strong reactions...including death. Some children are predisposed to these reactions and I believe as mothers, we know our children best. No doctor will ever know my child better than I do. I will delay MMR until DS is 3 and seek a religious exemption to varicella because I have an issue with the aborted fetal cells used to manufacture it.

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Both girls got both shots on schedule. I didn't notice any changes in either one after the shots.

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My nephew has an auto immune disorder - so when he got his MMR at 12 months it literally attacked his body and he couldnt fight anything off. He is 12 now and doesnt even speak. He is a very rare case but the point is that he had an auto immune disorder that no one knew about at 12 months old so it majorly affected him. I choose to dely until my kids are old enough to tell me if somethings wrong and know of any issues. Just an example.

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Posted by DRMom

I agree with everything said here and you know, I dont want to start a sh!tstorm, but I cannot believe the condescending tone of some of the pro vaccine schedule. "I trust my Dr, not Dr. Google." etc. All of these comments imply that anyone who chooses to delay vaccinatons just reads chat boards to make decisions. READ the ingredients in these vaccines, then research them with reliable sources. My turn to be obnoxious...Isn't your child worth a little extra research? Do you REALLY think Dr's are infallible or are the MOST updated on vaccines? A lot fo them get their info from drug sales reps.

I was told in the hospital by our NICU Dr's that our kids did not need to and should not get the Hep B shot. It was largely a social experiment to see if they could eradicate Hep B if the vaccine was given to a "captive audience." Sorry not my kids!

Yes, somebody please tell me why a newborn child with no risk factors for hep b needs this vaccine within a day or two of birth? Oh because my pediatrician recommends it..... Sorry, thats not a good enough reason for me.

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here is what i think of doctors.
they help. they are human.

I went through complete hell for 4 years trying to control asthma. Thousands spent. Meds all the time. Aged me quick.

Thanks to GOOGLE....I researched on my own.
no hospital, emt worker, nurse, dr, specialist ever tested this kid for anemia.

I found medical journals from india-concerned about the amount of meds this kid will need to go to kindergarten.
know what i find out?
anemia in children makes them 5 times more likely to have childhood asthma.

one anemia test, covered in his 5 year check up, and some over the counter vitamins...knock on wood....8 mos without a single asthma symptom.

i called former peds and specialist. why wasn't he tested? i deserved an explanation.
he did not look pale. is that the only marker??? what about the asthma? well...sorry.
sorry. they were paid well by me. delepleted my savings on hospitals, ER's, meds, specialists.

now? 7.00 a month for a vitamin with iron.

go on google and take control. talk to your dr. to take advice blindly is something i will not do.

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Posted by lcherian

Posted by DRMom

I agree with everything said here and you know, I dont want to start a sh!tstorm, but I cannot believe the condescending tone of some of the pro vaccine schedule. "I trust my Dr, not Dr. Google." etc. All of these comments imply that anyone who chooses to delay vaccinatons just reads chat boards to make decisions. READ the ingredients in these vaccines, then research them with reliable sources. My turn to be obnoxious...Isn't your child worth a little extra research? Do you REALLY think Dr's are infallible or are the MOST updated on vaccines? A lot fo them get their info from drug sales reps.

I was told in the hospital by our NICU Dr's that our kids did not need to and should not get the Hep B shot. It was largely a social experiment to see if they could eradicate Hep B if the vaccine was given to a "captive audience." Sorry not my kids!

Yes, somebody please tell me why a newborn child with no risk factors for hep b needs this vaccine within a day or two of birth? Oh because my pediatrician recommends it..... Sorry, thats not a good enough reason for me.

my first ended up with an extra hep b.
in hospital, then in a combo vaccine. dr said no big deal.
what?????
did not even give #2 when she was born hep b until 18 mos.

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Re: Delaying the MMR shot

Posted by MeowMeow2

Posted by DRMom

I agree with everything said here and you know, I dont want to start a sh!tstorm, but I cannot believe the condescending tone of some of the pro vaccine schedule. "I trust my Dr, not Dr. Google." etc. All of these comments imply that anyone who chooses to delay vaccinatons just reads chat boards to make decisions. READ the ingredients in these vaccines, then research them with reliable sources. My turn to be obnoxious...Isn't your child worth a little extra research? Do you REALLY think Dr's are infallible or are the MOST updated on vaccines? A lot fo them get their info from drug sales reps.

I was told in the hospital by our NICU Dr's that our kids did not need to and should not get the Hep B shot. It was largely a social experiment to see if they could eradicate Hep B if the vaccine was given to a "captive audience." Sorry not my kids!

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Message edited 8/29/2012 4:27:35 PM.

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ahhh online research.

there is RESEARCH (medical databases, accredited journals, white papers, peer reviewed clinical studies)

then there is internet research - GOOGLE, LIF and WIKIPEDIA.

that is the problem here.

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