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Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
My mom told me a friend told her about this...
Gov't admits vaccines can cause autism?
I apologize if this was already posted - i did a search and didn't see it. im not sure what to make of it since i can't find much info about this anywhere else.
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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
yes, a friend of mine works with Autism United and sent me a similiar article - I believe this is the same family that will be on Larry King Live tomorrow night at 9pm (trying to find confirmation on that).
By MARILYNN MARCHIONE
Government health officials have conceded that childhood vaccines worsened a rare, underlying disorder that ultimately led to autism-like symptoms in a Georgia girl, and that she should be paid from a federal vaccine-injury fund.
Medical and legal experts say the narrow wording and circumstances probably make the case an exception - not a precedent for thousands of other pending claims.
The government "has not conceded that vaccines cause autism," said Linda Renzi, the lawyer representing federal officials, who have consistently maintained that childhood shots are safe.
However, parents and advocates for autistic children see the case as a victory that may help certain others. Although the science on this is very limited, the girl's disorder may be more common in autistic children than in healthy ones.
"It's a beginning," said Kevin Conway, a Boston lawyer representing more than 1,200 families with vaccine injury claims. "Each case is going to have to be proved on its individual merits. But it shows to me that the government has conceded that it's biologically plausible for a vaccine to cause these injuries. They've never done it before."
A lawyer for the 9-year-old girl has scheduled a news conference in Atlanta on Thursday. Her parents have declined to comment in the meantime because the case is not final and the payment amount has not been set.
Nearly 5,000 families are seeking compensation for autism or other developmental disabilities they blame on vaccines and a mercury-based preservative, thimerosal. It once was commonly used to prevent bacterial contamination but since 2001 has been used only in certain flu shots. Some cases contend that the cumulative effect of many shots given at once may have caused injuries.
The cases are before a special "vaccine court" that doles out cash from a fund Congress set up to pay people injured by vaccines and to protect makers from damages as a way to help ensure an adequate vaccine supply. The burden of proof is lighter than in a traditional court, and is based on a preponderance of evidence. Since the fund started in 1988, it has paid roughly 950 claims - none for autism.
Studies repeatedly have discounted any link between thimerosal and autism, but legal challenges continue. The issue even cropped up in the presidential campaign, with Republican John McCain asserting on Friday that "there's strong evidence" autism is connected to the preservative.
The girl has a disorder involving her mitochondria, the energy factories of cells. The disorder - which can be present at birth from an inherited gene or acquired later in life - impairs cells' ability to use nutrients, and often causes problems in brain functioning. It can lead to delays in walking and talking.
Federal officials say the law bars them from discussing the case or releasing documents without the family's permission. However, The Associated Press obtained a copy of the concession by U.S. Department of Health and Human Services officials.
According to the document, five vaccines the girl received on one day in 2000 aggravated her mitochondrial condition, predisposing her to metabolic problems that manifested as worsening brain function "with features of autism spectrum disorder." In the 1990s, the definition of autism was expanded to take in a group of milder, related conditions, which are known as autism spectrum disorders.
The document does not address whether it was the thimerosal - or something else entirely in the vaccines - that was at fault.
A Portuguese study suggested that 7 percent of autistic children might also have the mitochondrial disorder, versus one in 5,000 people - or 0.02 percent - in the general population, said Dr. Marvin Natowicz, a Cleveland Clinic geneticist.
"Even if they're off by a factor of seven" and only 1 percent are afflicted, "it's still a striking statistic," he said.
Others said they doubt the Georgia case will have much effect.
"No link between mitochondrial disorders and autism spectrum disorder has been made in mainstream medicine," said Dr. Michael Pichichero of the University of Rochester in Rochester, N.Y., who has consulted for the government on vaccines and has received speaking fees from vaccine makers.
A decision is expected this spring on the first test case for a larger group of autism-vaccine claims, which are being heard in the U.S. Court of Federal Claims.
Reported cases of autism have been rising in the U.S., even after thimerosal was removed from most childhood vaccines. However, some experts believe the rise is due to an expansion of the definition of autism and related conditions, and a desire to diagnose children so they qualify for special services and aid.
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Associated Press writer Kristen Gelineau in Richmond, Va., and medical writer Mike Stobbe in Atlanta contributed to this story [I/]
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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
She was already diagnosed with a mitochondrial disorder that may have been exacerbated by the vaccines though - she was not a typical, healthy child who suddenly "developed autism."
According to the document, five vaccines the girl received on one day in 2000 aggravated her mitochondrial condition, predisposing her to metabolic problems that manifested as worsening brain function "with features of autism spectrum disorder." In the 1990s, the definition of autism was expanded to take in a group of milder, related conditions, which are known as autism spectrum disorders.
As of now (and I'm sorry JTK you know I love and respect you!) there is still nothing scientifically proven between autism and vaccines, and as a result, all other cases have been dropped due to this fact....
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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
5 vaccines on one day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
freakin insane. That cannot be good.
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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
If you read the article a little deeper you realize the headline posted is very misleading...they are NOT admitting vaccines cause autism..this is one case of a 9 year old girl with a mitochondrial condition she had at birth that they believe MAY have aggravated the condition.
I don't buy it. Not at all. There are children with autism who were never vaccinated. And why does it effect boys like 90% more than girls? When its girls as well who are vaccinated?
I believe its genetic and not something a vaccine gives children.
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| Posted 3/6/08 7:13 AM |
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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
Posted by lastchance1222
5 vaccines on one day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
freakin insane. That cannot be good.
I read a lot about vaccines when Johnny was little. Our bodies are actually capable of handling that amount very well. We use less than 1% of our immune system when getting something like 11 vaccines so 5 harldy hurts although it sounds like a lot...
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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
Posted by maybebaby
Posted by lastchance1222
5 vaccines on one day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
freakin insane. That cannot be good.
I read a lot about vaccines when Johnny was little. Our bodies are actually capable of handling that amount very well. We use less than 1% of our immune system when getting something like 11 vaccines so 5 harldy hurts although it sounds like a lot...
wow-didn't know that..I didn't even know docs give that many at a visit.It does sound like alot. Def not for me. Poor baby.
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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
Maybe Im just confused- but isnt this article saying that vaccinations containing thermisol and mercury were the problem (part of the problem)?
Arent all vaccinations mercury and thermisol free- or is that just my peds. office..???
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| Posted 3/6/08 7:24 AM |
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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
Posted by Princessmaris
Maybe Im just confused- but isnt this article saying that vaccinations containing thermisol and mercury were the problem (part of the problem)?
Arent all vaccinations mercury and thermisol free- or is that just my peds. office..???
I think you're right...
What is interesting as well is that there was recent study showing the rates of autism diagnosis's after removing mercury and themisol and they are still continuing to rise...kind of blowing that theory out of the water.
So odd to me. I hope they get to a point where they can really pinpoint what causes this!
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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
Posted by Princessmaris
Maybe Im just confused- but isnt this article saying that vaccinations containing thermisol and mercury were the problem (part of the problem)?
Arent all vaccinations mercury and thermisol free- or is that just my peds. office..???
You are right. This article is VERY misleading!
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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
I want to know who would give a baby 11 in one day
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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
Posted by maybebaby
Posted by Princessmaris
Maybe Im just confused- but isnt this article saying that vaccinations containing thermisol and mercury were the problem (part of the problem)?
Arent all vaccinations mercury and thermisol free- or is that just my peds. office..???
I think you're right...
What is interesting as well is that there was recent study showing the rates of autism diagnosis's after removing mercury and themisol and they are still continuing to rise...kind of blowing that theory out of the water.
So odd to me. I hope they get to a point where they can really pinpoint what causes this!
There have been a few recently published studies that are focusing on genetics and/or anomalies with the mother. I don't remember the details, but these factors make much more sense than wildly blaming something with for no real reason. I still believe that all of the blame being put on vaccines is taking away from research on what the real cause is. Every person that I've read about who blamed the vaccines eventually makes comments about noticing signs from months before the vaccine shots (even Jenny McArthy has said this in some of her interviews). Vaccines can't retroactively cause autism months before they are given....
I really hope they can find out the real cause. This is a horrible affliction and it is affecting a huge number of DC. 
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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
I knew my "gut" feeling about this was right on! Finally!
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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
Posted by dandr10199
I knew my "gut" feeling about this was right on! Finally!
But that's not really what the article is saying.
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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
Posted by Princessmaris
Arent all vaccinations mercury and thermisol free- or is that just my peds. office..???
A little know fact and the pharmaceutical companies dirty little secret...
NOT ALL are thimerisol free. Actually, if thimerisol is not used as an "preservative" but there is still mercury in the vaccine, the pharmaceutical companies DO NOT have to put it on the label. Vaccines in single dose vials, and vaccines that are "broken up", not bundled give you the lowest risk for mercury contamination.
I have many websites that back this up with fact and can post them later...Grace just woke up.
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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
Posted by CrankyPants
Posted by dandr10199
I knew my "gut" feeling about this was right on! Finally!
But that's not really what the article is saying.
I know...BUT I do feel that the TRUTH is coming out in drips and drabs and I am excited about that fact. Eventually, I hope everything will come out about these vaccines and how pharmaceutical companies DO NOT even put that there is mercury in them on the label. IMHO, The gov is trying to avoid HUGE lawsuits and it crippling the pharmaceutical industry by not being totally truthful.
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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
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Posted by Princessmaris
Maybe Im just confused- but isnt this article saying that vaccinations containing thermisol and mercury were the problem (part of the problem)?
Arent all vaccinations mercury and thermisol free- or is that just my peds. office..???
I think you're right...
What is interesting as well is that there was recent study showing the rates of autism diagnosis's after removing mercury and themisol and they are still continuing to rise...kind of blowing that theory out of the water.
So odd to me. I hope they get to a point where they can really pinpoint what causes this!
There have been a few recently published studies that are focusing on genetics and/or anomalies with the mother. I don't remember the details, but these factors make much more sense than wildly blaming something with for no real reason. I still believe that all of the blame being put on vaccines is taking away from research on what the real cause is. Every person that I've read about who blamed the vaccines eventually makes comments about noticing signs from months before the vaccine shots (even Jenny McArthy has said this in some of her interviews). Vaccines can't retroactively cause autism months before they are given....
I really hope they can find out the real cause. This is a horrible affliction and it is affecting a huge number of DC.
I just read about that too, it was something about autism being traced back to an antibody with the mom present beginning at 12 weeks pregnant. And when they took away this antibody, the autism symtoms in the rats disappeared.
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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
I think the article is enough evidence to show that the shot should be delayed, then followed by a pre-screening process for each child.
The shot needs to be taken more seriously.
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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
when does everyone say that the shot should be delayed till?
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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
Posted by Theresa05
when does everyone say that the shot should be delayed till?
IMO, I think Autism has to do mostly with genetics. I did not have any issue with Ella getting her shots. Not much proof that vaccines is what cause Autism.
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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
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Posted by CrankyPants
Posted by dandr10199
I knew my "gut" feeling about this was right on! Finally!
But that's not really what the article is saying.
I know...BUT I do feel that the TRUTH is coming out in drips and drabs and I am excited about that fact. Eventually, I hope everything will come out about these vaccines and how pharmaceutical companies DO NOT even put that there is mercury in them on the label. IMHO, The gov is trying to avoid HUGE lawsuits and it crippling the pharmaceutical industry by not being totally truthful.
But don't you believe there are predisposing factors? If not how do you explain why aren't all children who get vaccinated develop autism. I really wish more research could be done discovering what these predisposing factors are vs. beating a dead horse(vaccinations)
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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
Posted by Princessmaris
Maybe Im just confused- but isnt this article saying that vaccinations containing thermisol and mercury were the problem (part of the problem)?
Arent all vaccinations mercury and thermisol free- or is that just my peds. office..???
Aside from the debate on Autism and vaccination, the flu shots still have traces of thermisol. It's NOT thermisol free!
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Posted by GaryElla
Posted by Theresa05
when does everyone say that the shot should be delayed till?
IMO, I think Autism has to do mostly with genetics. I did not have any issue with Ella getting her shots. There is not sufficient proof that vaccines is what cause Autism.
I agree with you also, genetics.. Why would you delay a shot? is it PROVEN that this causes Autism? Why is everyone bugging about it? I am not informed on this and was wondering if anyone could explain it briefly to me
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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
If genetics are playing a role in this, I think shot should be delayed till age 2...by then you will have more of a chance to see the genetic disposition of your child.
If its pre-existing, then parents just have to pray that they notice the condition before age one...
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