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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
This may be changing. I know recently NJ mandated that flu shots are going to be required for school age children. I would be willing to bet that other states will eventually follow.
I hope they DO NOT pass that law in NY..why do I HAVE to give them the flu shot. 
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Posted by lipglossjunky73
In my experiences with parents, and I have worked with hundreds, I seriously can count on one hand the ones who blame vaccines. Every mom knew something was wrong before the child was a year. Those with 6 mt olds, think of your child. How they coo, respond when they see you, play with toys. Moms of 10 mt olds. Look how engaged they are. How they babble, play, get excited when they see another baby. Now, imagine a parent say they never saw their child do any of those things. Or started but lost them At 10 mts old. Now imagine a parent with 2 un vaccinated kids, both with autism. Or ygr first was vaccinated and the second one wasn't and still developed autism. Or three kids, 2 with autism and one typical all vaccinated the same way. Or identical twins and triplets with autism. Cousins with autism. Everything I have seen and heard and researched points to genetics, and in utero. Its scary and sad. It would be great to truly believe we can prevent this by not administering a shot, but it really is just not how this whole thing works.
I completely agree with this statement. My nephew has autism and my niece has Asperger's syndrome. We knew something was "off" with my nephew before the shots were given but actually thought he had hearing problems.
We also know families with children who were NOT vaccinated that HAVE autism. I am not saying vaccines don't have ANY effect on autism in children ( i am not a scientist ) BUT if there was such a direct link it would be so easy to prove that by now, autism would be a thing of the past.
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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
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Arent all vaccinations mercury and thermisol free- or is that just my peds. office..???
A little know fact and the pharmaceutical companies dirty little secret...
NOT ALL are thimerisol free. Actually, if thimerisol is not used as an "preservative" but there is still mercury in the vaccine, the pharmaceutical companies DO NOT have to put it on the label. Vaccines in single dose vials, and vaccines that are "broken up", not bundled give you the lowest risk for mercury contamination.
I have many websites that back this up with fact and can post them later...Grace just woke up.
Actually I posted about this a few months ago. The MMR split shot does HAVE mercury and it's listed. The combo shot does NOT have mercury in it. That's why splitting it up does no good if it's the mercury one is concerned about. In addition..the autism correlation between the MMR is not from the mercury..it's from the maccine causing the measles which in turn has been said to "cause" autism.
If you get it in a single dose vial, it does not have mercury.
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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
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Posted by dandr10199
I guess I do not buy the whole "I was vaccinated and I turned out fine" b/c vaccines are different now and most are NOT made in the US.
How do you know the vaccines are different now than when we received them as children?
Don't you think science would have evolved as to make them less dangerous?
Serious question- I'm not flaming, just curious to see if there is concrete evidence about this.
(PS- sorry for lurking.)
You have to look at the label to see if it is an American made company and I have gone so far as to ask for specific "brands" that I know are made in the USA, are Mercury free and come in single dose vials:
Here's SOME proof that vaccines are exported to the US:
USA got improperly made flu vaccine
Hepititis B vaccine made in China
FAke Malaria Drugs that were made in, where else??? China
Vaccine Exporters
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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
Posted by dandr10199
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Posted by Princessmaris
Arent all vaccinations mercury and thermisol free- or is that just my peds. office..???
A little know fact and the pharmaceutical companies dirty little secret...
NOT ALL are thimerisol free. Actually, if thimerisol is not used as an "preservative" but there is still mercury in the vaccine, the pharmaceutical companies DO NOT have to put it on the label. Vaccines in single dose vials, and vaccines that are "broken up", not bundled give you the lowest risk for mercury contamination.
I have many websites that back this up with fact and can post them later...Grace just woke up.
Actually I posted about this a few months ago. The MMR split shot does HAVE mercury and it's listed. The combo shot does NOT have mercury in it. That's why splitting it up does no good if it's the mercury one is concerned about. In addition..the autism correlation between the MMR is not from the mercury..it's from the maccine causing the measles which in turn has been said to "cause" autism.
If you get it in a single dose vial, it does not have mercury.
Not according to what I have researched.
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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
My preschool said Andrew must have the flu shot when entering in Sept and that it will be a law for all children entering school in Sept.
I am so mad about this.
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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
Posted by Summerrluvv
Posted by dandr10199
Posted by Summerrluvv
Posted by dandr10199
Posted by Princessmaris
Arent all vaccinations mercury and thermisol free- or is that just my peds. office..???
A little know fact and the pharmaceutical companies dirty little secret...
NOT ALL are thimerisol free. Actually, if thimerisol is not used as an "preservative" but there is still mercury in the vaccine, the pharmaceutical companies DO NOT have to put it on the label. Vaccines in single dose vials, and vaccines that are "broken up", not bundled give you the lowest risk for mercury contamination.
I have many websites that back this up with fact and can post them later...Grace just woke up.
Actually I posted about this a few months ago. The MMR split shot does HAVE mercury and it's listed. The combo shot does NOT have mercury in it. That's why splitting it up does no good if it's the mercury one is concerned about. In addition..the autism correlation between the MMR is not from the mercury..it's from the maccine causing the measles which in turn has been said to "cause" autism.
If you get it in a single dose vial, it does not have mercury.
Not according to what I have researched.
I have researched it as well and have found companies that do not have mercury in the split, single dose vials for the MMR. I could be wrong, there could be evidence that disputes that too.
DD did not get the MMR or the split version anyway. I decided against it and to wait another year or two.
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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
But why is autism rising now considering vaccines have been around for many, many years? We all had them, how many kids did you know who were autistic? I do think some of this is due to better diagnosis these days, but the rise is still too high to just be from that.
And as a pp said, why do so many boys get autism? Both boys and girls get vaccines. I still say believe this is a genetic issue which may be aggravated by vaccines, as with the little girl in this study. But she was not completely well even before she was vaccinated.
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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
Posted by 5ofClubs
My preschool said Andrew must have the flu shot when entering in Sept and that it will be a law for all children entering school in Sept.
I am so mad about this.
You can claim a religious exemption. They cannot force you to give him a shot.
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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
Posted by cjik
But why is autism rising now considering vaccines have been around for many, many years? We all had them, how many kids did you know who were autistic? I do think some of this is due to better diagnosis these days, but the rise is still too high to just be from that.
And as a pp said, why do so many boys get autism? Both boys and girls get vaccines. I still say believe this is a genetic issue which may be aggravated by vaccines, as with the little girl in this study. But she was not completely well even before she was vaccinated.
The ones they gave us did not have mercury (thimerisol) in them to "preserve" the shelf life of the vaccine. Now, they bottle up 20 doses in a vial and add mercury in it to preserve it. When we were younger they did not do that. Just like in the food we eat today...more preservatives than when we were young, but that is another discussion
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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
Posted by dandr10199
Posted by 5ofClubs
My preschool said Andrew must have the flu shot when entering in Sept and that it will be a law for all children entering school in Sept.
I am so mad about this.
You can claim a religious exemption. They cannot force you to give him a shot.
I thought that but I already gave him the other shots. I am sure they will tell me too bad. The flu shot scares me a lot though. Esp of it still has the dangerous chemicals in them.
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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
You know, I wonder if this is a cumulative problem, genetics, too much preservatives in vaccines, in food, exposure to lead in paint and toys (unfortunately), environmental issues, etc. I wouldn't be surprised if it is and will never really be pinned on any one thing.
Just my thoughts.
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Posted by dandr10199
Posted by Summerrluvv
Posted by dandr10199
Posted by Princessmaris
Arent all vaccinations mercury and thermisol free- or is that just my peds. office..???
A little know fact and the pharmaceutical companies dirty little secret...
NOT ALL are thimerisol free. Actually, if thimerisol is not used as an "preservative" but there is still mercury in the vaccine, the pharmaceutical companies DO NOT have to put it on the label. Vaccines in single dose vials, and vaccines that are "broken up", not bundled give you the lowest risk for mercury contamination.
I have many websites that back this up with fact and can post them later...Grace just woke up.
Actually I posted about this a few months ago. The MMR split shot does HAVE mercury and it's listed. The combo shot does NOT have mercury in it. That's why splitting it up does no good if it's the mercury one is concerned about. In addition..the autism correlation between the MMR is not from the mercury..it's from the maccine causing the measles which in turn has been said to "cause" autism.
If you get it in a single dose vial, it does not have mercury.
Not according to what I have researched.
I have researched it as well and have found companies that do not have mercury in the split, single dose vials for the MMR. I could be wrong, there could be evidence that disputes that too.
DD did not get the MMR or the split version anyway. I decided against it and to wait another year or two.
Actually this site is updated as of 1/08, but last fall (when this topic came up and I posted about it) it DID show that split doses had thimerosol, but I guess that has changed, which is a good thing.
http://www.vaccinesafety.edu/thi-table.htm
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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
Posted by Summerrluvv
Posted by dandr10199
Posted by Summerrluvv
Posted by dandr10199
Posted by Summerrluvv
Posted by dandr10199
Posted by Princessmaris
Arent all vaccinations mercury and thermisol free- or is that just my peds. office..???
A little know fact and the pharmaceutical companies dirty little secret...
NOT ALL are thimerisol free. Actually, if thimerisol is not used as an "preservative" but there is still mercury in the vaccine, the pharmaceutical companies DO NOT have to put it on the label. Vaccines in single dose vials, and vaccines that are "broken up", not bundled give you the lowest risk for mercury contamination.
I have many websites that back this up with fact and can post them later...Grace just woke up.
Actually I posted about this a few months ago. The MMR split shot does HAVE mercury and it's listed. The combo shot does NOT have mercury in it. That's why splitting it up does no good if it's the mercury one is concerned about. In addition..the autism correlation between the MMR is not from the mercury..it's from the maccine causing the measles which in turn has been said to "cause" autism.
If you get it in a single dose vial, it does not have mercury.
Not according to what I have researched.
I have researched it as well and have found companies that do not have mercury in the split, single dose vials for the MMR. I could be wrong, there could be evidence that disputes that too.
DD did not get the MMR or the split version anyway. I decided against it and to wait another year or two.
Actually this site is updated as of 1/08, but last fall (when this topic came up and I posted about it) it DID show that split doses had thimerosol, but I guess that has changed, which is a good thing.
http://www.vaccinesafety.edu/thi-table.htm
This was the site I got my info from. 
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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
Posted by 5ofClubs
Posted by dandr10199
Posted by 5ofClubs
My preschool said Andrew must have the flu shot when entering in Sept and that it will be a law for all children entering school in Sept.
I am so mad about this.
You can claim a religious exemption. They cannot force you to give him a shot.
I thought that but I already gave him the other shots. I am sure they will tell me too bad. The flu shot scares me a lot though. Esp of it still has the dangerous chemicals in them.
You can claim a religious exemption at any time.
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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
I am going to try it. Thanks
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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
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I am going to try it. Thanks
Good Luck! Stick to your guns and don't let the school bully you.
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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
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Posted by 5ofClubs
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My preschool said Andrew must have the flu shot when entering in Sept and that it will be a law for all children entering school in Sept.
I am so mad about this.
You can claim a religious exemption. They cannot force you to give him a shot.
I thought that but I already gave him the other shots. I am sure they will tell me too bad. The flu shot scares me a lot though. Esp of it still has the dangerous chemicals in them.
You can claim a religious exemption at any time.
.....but don't you think you should actually be part of a religion where shots are against your religious beliefs?
We have all been round and round about this and it makes me upset that my vaccinated kids have the potential to contract diseases that are making a comeback because people choose not to vaccinate their children.
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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
Posted by Summerrluvv
Posted by dandr10199
Posted by 5ofClubs
Posted by dandr10199
Posted by 5ofClubs
My preschool said Andrew must have the flu shot when entering in Sept and that it will be a law for all children entering school in Sept.
I am so mad about this.
You can claim a religious exemption. They cannot force you to give him a shot.
I thought that but I already gave him the other shots. I am sure they will tell me too bad. The flu shot scares me a lot though. Esp of it still has the dangerous chemicals in them.
You can claim a religious exemption at any time.
.....but don't you think you should actually be part of a religion where shots are against your religious beliefs?
We have all been round and round about this and it makes me upset that my vaccinated kids have the potential to contract diseases that are making a comeback because people choose not to vaccinate their children.
How can vaccinated children catch the disease if they had the vaccine? I really hope they can't. If they can, what is the point of vaccinating.
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Posted by 5ofClubs
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Posted by dandr10199
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Posted by dandr10199
Posted by 5ofClubs
My preschool said Andrew must have the flu shot when entering in Sept and that it will be a law for all children entering school in Sept.
I am so mad about this.
You can claim a religious exemption. They cannot force you to give him a shot.
I thought that but I already gave him the other shots. I am sure they will tell me too bad. The flu shot scares me a lot though. Esp of it still has the dangerous chemicals in them.
You can claim a religious exemption at any time.
.....but don't you think you should actually be part of a religion where shots are against your religious beliefs?
We have all been round and round about this and it makes me upset that my vaccinated kids have the potential to contract diseases that are making a comeback because people choose not to vaccinate their children.
How can vaccinated children catch the disease if they had the vaccine? I really hope they can't. If they can, what is the point of vaccinating.
Of course they can. There is a tiny percentage, but it happens all the time. Heck, didn't someone post recently that their child got the chicken pox vaccine and still ended up with the pox? Same goes for the measles outbreak that has occured of late and the whooping cough problem that could be an epidemic I'm reading. Unvaccinated kids catch it from other people that come from other countries, etc., bring it to school with them and a vaccinated child CAN get it. If EVERYONE was vaccinated, it wouldn't be an issue.
ETA: the point is to cut that risk dramatically by vaccinating.
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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
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.....but don't you think you should actually be part of a religion where shots are against your religious beliefs?
We have all been round and round about this and it makes me upset that my vaccinated kids have the potential to contract diseases that are making a comeback because people choose not to vaccinate their children.
YES. I do believe that you should actually be part of a religion where shots are against your religious beliefs to claim it AND I do believe that if it is against my own moral belief system to put mercury and all other cr@p that has the potential to harm my child, I should have an "op out" clause. As of now, there is not one.
As HER MOTHER I should have veto power as to what and what does not get injected into her. The state, gov, and other municipalities should NOT TELL ME HOW TO RAISE MY CHILD. So if there is no other "out clause" and claiming a religious exemption would possibly prevent my DD from getting a shot that could potentially harm her, then I will claim that religious exemption without ANY guilt.
UGH. This is something that I am very passionate about. The states mandating this is more of a reason for me to consider home schooling down the road. The state should not have the right to tell me what can or can not be injected into my child.
Texas is mandating the HPV virus be given to girls between the ages of 9-14.
W T H???? UMMMM, last I looked HPV is a sexually transmitted disease. Age 9, you have GOT to be kidding me.
So, let me get this right...by today's standards, if I plan on teaching my daughter the importance of abstinence I am the one who is crazy. BUT if they want to inject her with a dormant HPV virus at age 9 THAT is acceptable? Or if NJ wants to mandate a flu shot that has toxins and mercury in it THAT is acceptable????
Vent over. 
ETA: I do not understand why parents are not more upset about the state dictating what can be injected into OUR children. I just don't get why parents are not trying to fight this legislation tooth and nail.
OK, now this vent is REALLY over! 
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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
Why would anyone be upset over something that is mandated to PROTECT children from getting life threatening illnesses? I guess we'll just chalk this up to a difference in opinion because I have NO problem with someone telling me I have to get my children vaccinated if they want to be around other children 8 hours a day 5 days a week.
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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
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Posted by Summerrluvv
.....but don't you think you should actually be part of a religion where shots are against your religious beliefs?
We have all been round and round about this and it makes me upset that my vaccinated kids have the potential to contract diseases that are making a comeback because people choose not to vaccinate their children.
YES. I do believe that you should actually be part of a religion where shots are against your religious beliefs to claim it AND I do believe that if it is against my own moral belief system to put mercury and all other cr@p that has the potential to harm my child, I should have an "op out" clause. As of now, there is not one.
As HER MOTHER I should have veto power as to what and what does not get injected into her. The state, gov, and other municipalities should NOT TELL ME HOW TO RAISE MY CHILD. So if there is no other "out clause" and claiming a religious exemption would possibly prevent my DD from getting a shot that could potentially harm her, then I will claim that religious exemption without ANY guilt.
UGH. This is something that I am very passionate about. The states mandating this is more of a reason for me to consider home schooling down the road. The state should not have the right to tell me what can or can not be injected into my child.
Texas is mandating the HPV virus be given to girls between the ages of 9-14.
W T H???? UMMMM, last I looked HPV is a sexually transmitted disease. Age 9, you have GOT to be kidding me.
So, let me get this right...by today's standards, if I plan on teaching my daughter the importance of abstinence I am the one who is crazy. BUT if they want to inject her with a dormant HPV virus at age 9 THAT is acceptable? Or if NJ wants to mandate a flu shot that has toxins and mercury in it THAT is acceptable????
Vent over.
ETA: I do not understand why parents are not more upset about the state dictating what can be injected into OUR children. I just don't get why parents are not trying to fight this legislation tooth and nail.
OK, now this vent is REALLY over!
You do have the right to choose not to get your child vaccinated, but by doing that you are also deciding that you are going to home school her. Then when she wants to go to college she will have to get the MMR. Simple as that. Your choice.
Personally, I don't understand why people choose to leave their children ( and others mind you) vunerable to diseases that are potentially life threatening because of a possible link to something that isn't. JMHO.
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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
Posted by Summerrluvv
Why would anyone be upset over something that is mandated to PROTECT children from getting life threatening illnesses? I guess we'll just chalk this up to a difference in opinion because I have NO problem with someone telling me I have to get my children vaccinated if they want to be around other children 8 hours a day 5 days a week.
I guess we will agree to disagree. I have a big problem w/gov telling me how to parent or that I HAVE TO inject her with something that could harm her.
I AM NOT ANTI VACCINE. I did vaccinate DD, but on my terms, the timetable I determined and with the vaccinations that I CHOSE (pharmaceutical companies that only manufacture in the USA, single dose vials, thimerisol free, delaying the MMR, etc., etc., etc.).
JMHO, I truly believe that as parents NO ONE will love your child as much as you do. NO ONE (not even your doctor) will have your child's best interest at heart that way a you will. So you have to educate yourself as to what is in these vaccines and who makes them.
So, yeah, I have a BIG problem when a gov bureaucrat tells me that I have to inject my DD with toxins and mercury b/c it is mandated by the state or the state's time frames.
You are entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to mine. It is what makes this country wonderful. 
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sorry my computer posted it twice.
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