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Theresa05
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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
Are there more autistic boys then girls?
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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
Posted by Janice
If genetics are playing a role in this, I think shot should be delayed till age 2...by then you will have more of a chance to see the genetic disposition of your child.
If its pre-existing, then parents just have to pray that they notice the condition before age one...
If genetics and that antibody do play a role, exactly, having ALL KIDS get the vaccine if possible at age 2 would totally kill this debate about the vaccine causing autism.
The visible signs would be very there already by age two and there would be no debate on whether or not the vaccine caused it.
It just so happens that the vaccine is administered when the less subtle signs of autism start surfacing.
It's awful, i just hope something is discovered and finally proven for a fact.
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Janice
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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
Posted by Theresa05
Are there more autistic boys then girls?
yes
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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
Posted by lastchance1222
5 vaccines on one day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
freakin insane. That cannot be good.
at the two month visit your baby actually gets 7! 3 shots but 7 vaccines because they combine.
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maybebaby
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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
Posted by Theresa05
I want to know who would give a baby 11 in one day
I didn't say they did. The article about it said the body COULD easy get 11 and still only use less than 1% of their immune system to adapt to the vaccines.
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JTK
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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
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Arent all vaccinations mercury and thermisol free- or is that just my peds. office..???
A little know fact and the pharmaceutical companies dirty little secret...
NOT ALL are thimerisol free. Actually, if thimerisol is not used as an "preservative" but there is still mercury in the vaccine, the pharmaceutical companies DO NOT have to put it on the label. Vaccines in single dose vials, and vaccines that are "broken up", not bundled give you the lowest risk for mercury contamination.
I have many websites that back this up with fact and can post them later...Grace just woke up.
exactly!
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Diane
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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
Posted by Janice
If genetics are playing a role in this, I think shot should be delayed till age 2...by then you will have more of a chance to see the genetic disposition of your child.
If its pre-existing, then parents just have to pray that they notice the condition before age one...
I agree...this is why we are delaying it for Christopher, until we know what is going on with him and our situation, we are going to DELAY the MMR.
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maybebaby
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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
Wanted to add...
Johnny as you know has sensory issues. Which some link to vaccines. He hasn't even had his MMR, we delayed it until he was feeling better ( he was sick at his appointment) and for my own peace of mind I just felt better delaying that one.
I don't think there is a vaccine link but there is certainly nothing wrong with breaking up vaccines. I would certainly never NOT vaccinate as well!
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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
Posted by smdl
Posted by Princessmaris
Maybe Im just confused- but isnt this article saying that vaccinations containing thermisol and mercury were the problem (part of the problem)?
Arent all vaccinations mercury and thermisol free- or is that just my peds. office..???
Aside from the debate on Autism and vaccination, the flu shots still have traces of thermisol. It's NOT thermisol free!
Im specifically talking about MMR and other necessary vaccines..
Flu shots arent "mandatory", you dont need it to go to daycare/school...
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JTK
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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
Posted by lipglossjunky73
She was already diagnosed with a mitochondrial disorder that may have been exacerbated by the vaccines though - she was not a typical, healthy child who suddenly "developed autism."
According to the document, five vaccines the girl received on one day in 2000 aggravated her mitochondrial condition, predisposing her to metabolic problems that manifested as worsening brain function "with features of autism spectrum disorder." In the 1990s, the definition of autism was expanded to take in a group of milder, related conditions, which are known as autism spectrum disorders.
As of now (and I'm sorry JTK you know I love and respect you!) there is still nothing scientifically proven between autism and vaccines, and as a result, all other cases have been dropped due to this fact....
you are completely right! and i love you too of course everyone knows that i separate ALL my shots but that i absolutely give them. Just comforting to me to see that they are saying that they are not 100% sure.. !
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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
Just remember to weigh both sides of the vaccination.....
http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/brooklyn/2008/02/28/2008-02-28_health_dept_probes_local_measles-1.html
Health Dept. probes local measles
Thursday, February 28th 2008, 4:00 AM
Two members of a Brooklyn family have come down with a rare case of measles, prompting the city's Health Department to investigate whether it was contracted locally or outside the state.
Neither infected person was vaccinated against the disease, according to Health Department officials.
"The investigation is ongoing, but at this time we don't think these cases are endemic," or local, said Health Department spokeswoman Jessica Scaperotti. "As part of our investigation, we look to see who they've had direct contact with."
Although 96% of the city's 19- to 34-month-olds have been vaccinated, some parents are reluctant to vaccinate their kids for fear of side effects, such as autism.
"Vaccinations are the safest and most effective way to prevent infection," said Dr. Jane Zucker, the Health Department's assistant commissioner for immunization.
Last year, there were five confirmed cases of measles in the city. All of those infected had lived or traveled overseas.
The last outbreak of measles in New York - 13 cases - was in 2000. There are now measles outbreaks in California, Great Britain, Belgium and Israel. Veronika Belenkaya
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because measles can sometimes cause serious problems such as pneumonia. And in rare cases, it can even cause seizures or meningitis.
From the World Health Organization: http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs286/en/
Measles remains a leading cause of death among young children, despite the availability of a safe and effective vaccine for the past 40 years. An estimated 242 000 people, the majority of them children, died from measles in 2006, the latest year for which figures are available.
Measles is one of the most contagious diseases known. Almost all non-immune children contract this respiratory disease if exposed to the virus. Measles is an acute illness caused by a virus in the paramyxovirus family. Measles virus normally grows in the cells that line the back of the throat and in the cells that line the lungs. It is a human disease not known to occur in animals.
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Mommy2Boys
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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
Government health officials have conceded that childhood vaccines worsened a rare, underlying disorder that ultimately led to autism-like symptoms in a Georgia girl, and that she should be paid from a federal vaccine-injury fund.
I have always felt this way...not necessarily that the vaccines themselves cause autism, but that baby's bodies are all different and contain different genetics and a different "chemical make-up"...I think in some children, the vaccines react with their "chemical make-up" causing autism and autism like symptoms. Basically, certains kids bodies have a reaction to shot causing this and other learning and behavioral disorders.
ETA: I do agree with many of the pp, I think genetics has way more of a role in autism than the vaccines themselves and children may shows signs of autism and other disorders before ever even having the MMR shot but in most cases I think there is a reaction to vaccines that brings out these disorders...like they are dormant until they get the vaccine.
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dandr10199
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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
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I knew my "gut" feeling about this was right on! Finally!
But that's not really what the article is saying.
I know...BUT I do feel that the TRUTH is coming out in drips and drabs and I am excited about that fact. Eventually, I hope everything will come out about these vaccines and how pharmaceutical companies DO NOT even put that there is mercury in them on the label. IMHO, The gov is trying to avoid HUGE lawsuits and it crippling the pharmaceutical industry by not being totally truthful.
But don't you believe there are predisposing factors? If not how do you explain why aren't all children who get vaccinated develop autism. I really wish more research could be done discovering what these predisposing factors are vs. beating a dead horse(vaccinations)
I believe that some children they do not metabolize the mercury they way other do and that some children could have other factors (decreased immunity, genetics, etc.) that are dormant UNTIL they get the shots...then the shot sets off this domino effect.
I do not have all the answers, ALL I know is that the gov and pharmecutical companies are not telling the WHOLE truth to us and if there is a 1% chance that the shot would set off something within DD to cause autism, then she will not get the bundled, mercury filled shots, PERIOD. I did vaccinate Grace, BUT I paid extra for the single dose vials that and I read the labels on the shots. The nurses looked at me like  but I don't care. My insurance pays their salary and I ma sorry if it was annoying for them to get me the box to read before they injected my DD. I interviewed 3 peds before I choose the one I go to. With all the medical stuff I have been though, I realized that I am the only one responsible for my families well being. I am the one who has to reasearch everything and not blindly trust medical professional b/c they are only human AND can make mistakes, KWIM?
Who is to say that in 5, 10, 15 years from now a TON of info is going to come out about all for the stuff that is in these vaccines? HOW can these doctors, scientists, etc. be 100% sure??? I know that there has been a ton of new info that has come out since DD was born almost 2 years ago. I guess I do not buy the whole "I was vaccinated and I turned out fine" b/c vaccines are different now and most are NOT made in the US. I also do not buy the whole "why would my doctor suggested it if it hurt children?" THE DOCTORS are human, they can made mistakes, they can also only make judgments based on medical data...if that data changes in a few years, then they will suggest against it.
Remember the whole cold medicine thing that happened last year??? I was giving Grace cold medicine once in a while when she was sick...ALL of a sudden, I cannot give her anything until age 6! MY doctor did a 180 on giving cold medicine in a matter of hours.
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Mommy2Boys
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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
I know...BUT I do feel that the TRUTH is coming out in drips and drabs and I am excited about that fact. Eventually, I hope everything will come out about these vaccines and how pharmaceutical companies DO NOT even put that there is mercury in them on the label. IMHO, The gov is trying to avoid HUGE lawsuits and it crippling the pharmaceutical industry by not being totally truthful.
I have to totally agreew it this!!! I think the gov't is trying to keep this under wraps to avoid mass hsyterica, moreso than there is now. There is enough doubt in my mind to delay the shots and also to break them up. It is not only the MMR shot I am concerned about either...it is ALL of them. That is why I made my own shot schedule and DS gets 1 shot a month, period! If he has a cold, I completely skip that month.
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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
Posted by jellybean1420
I know...BUT I do feel that the TRUTH is coming out in drips and drabs and I am excited about that fact. Eventually, I hope everything will come out about these vaccines and how pharmaceutical companies DO NOT even put that there is mercury in them on the label. IMHO, The gov is trying to avoid HUGE lawsuits and it crippling the pharmaceutical industry by not being totally truthful.
I have to totally agreew it this!!! I think the gov't is trying to keep this under wraps to avoid mass hsyterica, moreso than there is now. There is enough doubt in my mind to delay the shots and also to break them up. It is not only the MMR shot I am concerned about either...it is ALL of them. That is why I made my own shot schedule and DS gets 1 shot a month, period! If he has a cold, I completely skip that month.
how did you do that, did your ped agree? b/c I wanted to do that originally and I was told you can't break them up. I have a family over- seas, the kids get shots one at the time , and there is barely any cases of autism recorded in the country, that' one of the reasons I always believed that shots may have something to do with autism, when I told my family that my DD gets 4-5 shots at once , they were shocked.
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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
how did you do that, did your ped agree? b/c I wanted to do that originally and I was told you can't break them up. I have a family over- seas, the kids get shots one at the time , and there is barely any cases of autism recorded in the country, that' one of the reasons I always believed that shots may have something to do with autism, when I told my family that my DD gets 4-5 shots at once , they were shocked.
Parents dont realize they have the right to determine when and if their child receive vaccines. There is no law stipulating when shots need to be given. Parents are kind of clueless in that regard and just "go along with the flow" alot b/c they believe that is what is expected of them, plus many dr's dont give them the option or tell them they have the option.
I new way before having DS what I wanted in regards to shots. I was not going to let a dr. tell me what I can and cannot do with my child b/c god forbid there was a problem, I was going to be the one taking care of my son for the rest of his life, not the dr. I met DS's pediatrician first at the hospital tour and immediately loved him. I met with him and explained my concerns and he was extremeley open to coming up with a shot plan with me and in no way questioned my feelings. I skipped the Hep shot at the hospital when he was born and started his shots at 3 months to give his system a little time to develope. I bring DS to the dr once a month to get a shot. It is more visits, but give me a peace of mind. DS has not and will not get the flu shot or the rotovirus shot. he also will not get the chicken pox shot until he needs it to go to school. The MMR shot WILL be delayed until he is most likely 2 1/2 yrs. old and it will be broken up into 3 shots that I will give to him at least 6 mo. - 1 yr. apart. IMO, baby's bodies cannot handle 3, 4 and 5 shots at a time. Their systems are not fully developed yet. DS has NEVER had a reaction to any shot, not even a fever and I believe this is b/c I am not overloading his system with shots!
ETA: If I had a ped. that told me I couldnt break up my child's vaccines or that I couldnt give 1 at a time, I would walk out. Parents need to be more aggressive with dr's in telling them what they want. Dr's are not god's...they make mistakes and are people just like us....and they are sure as hell not going to be the one's taking care of my child god forbid something is wrong with him and once you leave their dr's office, your child is not a concern of theirs, they are on to the next patient. I may be a little harsh, but this how I feel...parents need to educate themselves more now w/all this crap going on about their rights as a parent!
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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
Posted by jellybean1420
how did you do that, did your ped agree? b/c I wanted to do that originally and I was told you can't break them up. I have a family over- seas, the kids get shots one at the time , and there is barely any cases of autism recorded in the country, that' one of the reasons I always believed that shots may have something to do with autism, when I told my family that my DD gets 4-5 shots at once , they were shocked.
Parents dont realize they have the right to determine when and if their child receive vaccines. There is no law stipulating when shots need to be given. Parents are kind of clueless in that regard and just "go along with the flow" alot b/c they believe that is what is expected of them, plus many dr's dont give them the option or tell them they have the option.
I new way before having DS what I wanted in regards to shots. I was not going to let a dr. tell me what I can and cannot do with my child b/c god forbid there was a problem, I was going to be the one taking care of my son for the rest of his life, not the dr. I met DS's pediatrician first at the hospital tour and immediately loved him. I met with him and explained my concerns and he was extremeley open to coming up with a shot plan with me and in no way questioned my feelings. I skipped the Hep shot at the hospital when he was born and started his shots at 3 months to give his system a little time to develope. I bring DS to the dr once a month to get a shot. It is more visits, but give me a peace of mind. DS has not and will not get the flu shot or the rotovirus shot. he also will not get the chicken pox shot until he needs it to go to school. The MMR shot WILL be delayed until he is most likely 2 1/2 yrs. old and it will be broken up into 3 shots that I will give to him at least 6 mo. - 1 yr. apart. IMO, baby's bodies cannot handle 3, 4 and 5 shots at a time. Their systems are not fully developed yet. DS has NEVER had a reaction to any shot, not even a fever and I believe this is b/c I am not overloading his system with shots!
ETA: If I had a ped. that told me I couldnt break up my child's vaccines or that I couldnt give 1 at a time, I would walk out. Parents need to be more aggressive with dr's in telling them what they want. Dr's are not god's...they make mistakes and are people just like us....and they are sure as hell not going to be the one's taking care of my child god forbid something is wrong with him and once you leave their dr's office, your child is not a concern of theirs, they are on to the next patient. I may be a little harsh, but this how I feel...parents need to educate themselves more now w/all this crap going on about their rights as a parent!
thank you for such detailed info, I appreciate it.
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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
Posted by dandr10199
I guess I do not buy the whole "I was vaccinated and I turned out fine" b/c vaccines are different now and most are NOT made in the US.
How do you know the vaccines are different now than when we received them as children?
Don't you think science would have evolved as to make them less dangerous?
Serious question- I'm not flaming, just curious to see if there is concrete evidence about this.
(PS- sorry for lurking.)
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Posted by lastchance1222
5 vaccines on one day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
freakin insane. That cannot be good.
Emma has had five shots in one day (3 injections) and she is fine thus far. Like Liza posted, this child had an underlying condition and the shot aggravated that.
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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
Posted by jellybean1420
Parents dont realize they have the right to determine when and if their child receive vaccines. There is no law stipulating when shots need to be given. Parents are kind of clueless in that regard and just "go along with the flow" alot b/c they believe that is what is expected of them, plus many dr's dont give them the option or tell them they have the option.
If you want your child to attend daycare/preschool or grade school..there are laws about shots.
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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
Posted by Theresa05
Are there more autistic boys then girls?
Yes, there are more boys with autism than girls with autism. I know twins..the boy displays characteristics..the girl is perfectly "normal" Both had the same shots, both carried in the same belly. Interesting I think.
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In my experiences with parents, and I have worked with hundreds, I seriously can count on one hand the ones who blame vaccines. Every mom knew something was wrong before the child was a year. Those with 6 mt olds, think of your child. How they coo, respond when they see you, play with toys. Moms of 10 mt olds. Look how engaged they are. How they babble, play, get excited when they see another baby. Now, imagine a parent say they never saw their child do any of those things. Or started but lost them At 10 mts old. Now imagine a parent with 2 un vaccinated kids, both with autism. Or ygr first was vaccinated and the second one wasn't and still developed autism. Or three kids, 2 with autism and one typical all vaccinated the same way. Or identical twins and triplets with autism. Cousins with autism. Everything I have seen and heard and researched points to genetics, and in utero. Its scary and sad. It would be great to truly believe we can prevent this by not administering a shot, but it really is just not how this whole thing works.
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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
Posted by dandr10199
Posted by Princessmaris
Arent all vaccinations mercury and thermisol free- or is that just my peds. office..???
A little know fact and the pharmaceutical companies dirty little secret...
NOT ALL are thimerisol free. Actually, if thimerisol is not used as an "preservative" but there is still mercury in the vaccine, the pharmaceutical companies DO NOT have to put it on the label. Vaccines in single dose vials, and vaccines that are "broken up", not bundled give you the lowest risk for mercury contamination.
I have many websites that back this up with fact and can post them later...Grace just woke up.
Actually I posted about this a few months ago. The MMR split shot does HAVE mercury and it's listed. The combo shot does NOT have mercury in it. That's why splitting it up does no good if it's the mercury one is concerned about. In addition..the autism correlation between the MMR is not from the mercury..it's from the maccine causing the measles which in turn has been said to "cause" autism.
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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
Posted by Princessmaris
Posted by smdl
Posted by Princessmaris
Maybe Im just confused- but isnt this article saying that vaccinations containing thermisol and mercury were the problem (part of the problem)?
Arent all vaccinations mercury and thermisol free- or is that just my peds. office..???
Aside from the debate on Autism and vaccination, the flu shots still have traces of thermisol. It's NOT thermisol free!
Im specifically talking about MMR and other necessary vaccines..
Flu shots arent "mandatory", you dont need it to go to daycare/school...
This may be changing. I know recently NJ mandated that flu shots are going to be required for school age children. I would be willing to bet that other states will eventually follow.
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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
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Posted by Princessmaris
Maybe Im just confused- but isnt this article saying that vaccinations containing thermisol and mercury were the problem (part of the problem)?
Arent all vaccinations mercury and thermisol free- or is that just my peds. office..???
Aside from the debate on Autism and vaccination, the flu shots still have traces of thermisol. It's NOT thermisol free!
The one my DD received was mercury free. Why do you say they are not? Maybe it's different brands.
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