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dandr10199
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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
Posted by heidla
You do have the right to choose not to get your child vaccinated, but by doing that you are also deciding that you are going to home school her. Then when she wants to go to college she will have to get the MMR. Simple as that. Your choice.
Personally, I don't understand why people choose to leave their children ( and others mind you) vunerable to diseases that are potentially life threatening because of a possible link to something that isn't. JMHO.
I did vaccinate and as I stated in my other posts, did it on my terms. I am delaying the MMR until she is 5 years old, and Who Knows??? Maybe a TON of info may come out about that shot (like it did today) and the gov will tell us it is unnecessary. Who Knows? I for one, am waiting it out.
Plus, I DID NOT "leave my child vunerable to diseases that are potentially life threatening because of a possible link to something that isn't" b/c I did vaccinate. Plus, the link is coming out in small bits of info now and if there is a 1% chance that it will set off something inside DD to cause autism, she will not get the MMR this year and I will reevaluate next year.
have no problem with her getting the MMR as she enters college. She will be 18. AND as I stated, they may have a different form of the shot by then.
WOW! Guess I should have jumped in to my flame retardant suit today. 
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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
Posted by dandr10199
Posted by heidla
You do have the right to choose not to get your child vaccinated, but by doing that you are also deciding that you are going to home school her. Then when she wants to go to college she will have to get the MMR. Simple as that. Your choice.
Personally, I don't understand why people choose to leave their children ( and others mind you) vunerable to diseases that are potentially life threatening because of a possible link to something that isn't. JMHO.
I did vaccinate and as I stated in my other posts, did it on my terms. I am delaying the MMR until she is 5 years old, and Who Knows??? Maybe a TON of info may come out about that shot (like it did today) and the gov will tell us it is unnecessary. Who Knows? I for one, am waiting it out.
Plus, I DID NOT "leave my child vunerable to diseases that are potentially life threatening because of a possible link to something that isn't" b/c I did vaccinate. Plus, the link is coming out in small bits of info now and if there is a 1% chance that it will set off something inside DD to cause autism, she will not get the MMR this year and I will reevaluate next year.
have no problem with her getting the MMR as she enters college. She will be 18. AND as I stated, they may have a different form of the shot by then.
WOW! Guess I should have jumped in to my flame retardant suit today.
I guess we all should have. because it sounds to me as if you think those of us who CHOOSE to vacinate on schedule are not concerned about the well being of our child.
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dandr10199
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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
Posted by heidla
Posted by dandr10199
Posted by heidla
You do have the right to choose not to get your child vaccinated, but by doing that you are also deciding that you are going to home school her. Then when she wants to go to college she will have to get the MMR. Simple as that. Your choice.
Personally, I don't understand why people choose to leave their children ( and others mind you) vunerable to diseases that are potentially life threatening because of a possible link to something that isn't. JMHO.
I did vaccinate and as I stated in my other posts, did it on my terms. I am delaying the MMR until she is 5 years old, and Who Knows??? Maybe a TON of info may come out about that shot (like it did today) and the gov will tell us it is unnecessary. Who Knows? I for one, am waiting it out.
Plus, I DID NOT "leave my child vunerable to diseases that are potentially life threatening because of a possible link to something that isn't" b/c I did vaccinate. Plus, the link is coming out in small bits of info now and if there is a 1% chance that it will set off something inside DD to cause autism, she will not get the MMR this year and I will reevaluate next year.
have no problem with her getting the MMR as she enters college. She will be 18. AND as I stated, they may have a different form of the shot by then.
WOW! Guess I should have jumped in to my flame retardant suit today.
I guess we all should have. because it sounds to me as if you think those of us who CHOOSE to vacinate on schedule are not concerned about the well being of our child.
I did not write that. Can you quote me where I did write that? I know I did not write that AT ALL.
I did not mean my opinion to be taken in that way and if I offended anyone I am sorry.
It is very sad to me that when having an adult discussion, it turns into this when someone has a differing opinion than the majority. Please let me know if I did write "those of you who CHOSE to vaccinate on schedule are not concerned about the well being of our child". That is really untruthful & misleading for you to write about me, especially when I NEVER said that.
Again, I am sorry if you misinterpreted what I wrote and my opinion offended you.
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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
We have all been round and round about this and it makes me upset that my vaccinated kids have the potential to contract diseases that are making a comeback because people choose not to vaccinate their children.
Most people are still vaccinating their children, they are just delaying their shots. The reason most of these diseases are making a come back, IMO, is from immigrants and people who come into this country, who dont have healthcare and dont get their baby's vaccinated at all. Diseases are not making a comback b/c people are waiting 6 months or 1 yr. later than "normal" to give their child a shot.
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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
You do have the right to choose not to get your child vaccinated, but by doing that you are also deciding that you are going to home school her. Then when she wants to go to college she will have to get the MMR. Simple as that. Your choice.
I have chosen to a different vaccination schedule...one I made with my ped. DS gets 1 vaccine a month so in a sense most of his shots are delayed. At the same time, by the time it comes time for him to go to school he will be caught up and fully vaccinated. I think it is important to vaccinate...I do not think children should be receiving 3, 4 and 5 shots at a time.
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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
Parents dont realize they have the right to determine when and if their child receive vaccines. There is no law stipulating when shots need to be given. Parents are kind of clueless in that regard and just "go along with the flow" alot b/c they believe that is what is expected of them, plus many dr's dont give them the option or tell them they have the option.
I new way before having DS what I wanted in regards to shots. I was not going to let a dr. tell me what I can and cannot do with my child b/c god forbid there was a problem, I was going to be the one taking care of my son for the rest of his life, not the dr. I met DS's pediatrician first at the hospital tour and immediately loved him. I met with him and explained my concerns and he was extremeley open to coming up with a shot plan with me and in no way questioned my feelings. I skipped the Hep shot at the hospital when he was born and started his shots at 3 months to give his system a little time to develope. I bring DS to the dr once a month to get a shot. It is more visits, but give me a peace of mind. DS has not and will not get the flu shot or the rotovirus shot. he also will not get the chicken pox shot until he needs it to go to school. The MMR shot WILL be delayed until he is most likely 2 1/2 yrs. old and it will be broken up into 3 shots that I will give to him at least 6 mo. - 1 yr. apart. IMO, baby's bodies cannot handle 3, 4 and 5 shots at a time. Their systems are not fully developed yet. DS has NEVER had a reaction to any shot, not even a fever and I believe this is b/c I am not overloading his system with shots!
ETA: If I had a ped. that told me I couldnt break up my child's vaccines or that I couldnt give 1 at a time, I would walk out. Parents need to be more aggressive with dr's in telling them what they want. Dr's are not god's...they make mistakes and are people just like us....and they are sure as hell not going to be the one's taking care of my child god forbid something is wrong with him and once you leave their dr's office, your child is not a concern of theirs, they are on to the next patient. I may be a little harsh, but this how I feel...parents need to educate themselves more now w/all this crap going on about their rights as a parent!
ITA!! I did the same thing. All my kids got one shot at a time. My Dr. totally allow it even though every once in awhile they ask me again why I am doing this. I'm on kid #3 now!! Now that my ds is 4 1/2 I allowed him to get whatever shot he was getting that day and his flu shot.
There is still a part of me that wonders. I will be very honest and tell you that only within the past few weeks have I been debating on postponing the MMR shot for my youongest. My other 2 got it at 15 months but like I said only that shot that day. MY youngest ds doesn't seem to be developing as fast as the other 2 did. I know it's not right to compare kids for they are all different but something in my gut is telling me to delay. So now I will.
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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
I suppose the reason that I am not more outraged at being told what to inject into my child is that no one is actually TELLING me I have to. I can choose not to vaccinate DD (even though I DID vaccinate her) and all that it would dimply mean is that I cannot enter her in the school system. With respect to the school system - the government is clearly justified in requiring such immunization as it is in the public interest. Obviously, when considering such matters the govt weighs the interests of the many against the interests of a few and when public health is involved those interests clearly win.
Also, as far as immigrants bringing in diseases - if you enter the country as a legal resident you have to provide proof of immunization and/or are given vaccines. I am not certain if this is also the case when you apply for a visa.
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heidla
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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
Posted by dandr10199
Posted by heidla
Posted by dandr10199
Posted by heidla
You do have the right to choose not to get your child vaccinated, but by doing that you are also deciding that you are going to home school her. Then when she wants to go to college she will have to get the MMR. Simple as that. Your choice.
Personally, I don't understand why people choose to leave their children ( and others mind you) vunerable to diseases that are potentially life threatening because of a possible link to something that isn't. JMHO.
I did vaccinate and as I stated in my other posts, did it on my terms. I am delaying the MMR until she is 5 years old, and Who Knows??? Maybe a TON of info may come out about that shot (like it did today) and the gov will tell us it is unnecessary. Who Knows? I for one, am waiting it out.
Plus, I DID NOT "leave my child vunerable to diseases that are potentially life threatening because of a possible link to something that isn't" b/c I did vaccinate. Plus, the link is coming out in small bits of info now and if there is a 1% chance that it will set off something inside DD to cause autism, she will not get the MMR this year and I will reevaluate next year.
have no problem with her getting the MMR as she enters college. She will be 18. AND as I stated, they may have a different form of the shot by then.
WOW! Guess I should have jumped in to my flame retardant suit today.
I guess we all should have. because it sounds to me as if you think those of us who CHOOSE to vacinate on schedule are not concerned about the well being of our child.
I did not write that. Can you quote me where I did write that? I know I did not write that AT ALL.
I did not mean my opinion to be taken in that way and if I offended anyone I am sorry.
It is very sad to me that when having an adult discussion, it turns into this when someone has a differing opinion than the majority. Please let me know if I did write "those of you who CHOSE to vaccinate on schedule are not concerned about the well being of our child". That is really untruthful & misleading for you to write about me, especially when I NEVER said that.
Again, I am sorry if you misinterpreted what I wrote and my opinion offended you.
First of all, you didn't offend me. Sorry if you thought that was what I meant.
Second, I never said that you specifically wrote that, but I said it sounds to me. In this statement I felt like you were infering that parents who choose to vaccinate on the recommended schedule aren't standing up for their rights. In some cases this might be true, but others of us have done the research and came up with an opinion that differs from yours.
ETA: I do not understand why parents are not more upset about the state dictating what can be injected into OUR children. I just don't get why parents are not trying to fight this legislation tooth and nail.
I was just trying to make the point that we are all good parents on this board. We all want what is best for our children, but we all have different opinons on what that is. No one is right or better as long as the child is loved.
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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
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Posted by 5ofClubs
My preschool said Andrew must have the flu shot when entering in Sept and that it will be a law for all children entering school in Sept.
I am so mad about this.
You can claim a religious exemption. They cannot force you to give him a shot.
I'm pretty sure NY is not a "pick and choose" state so unless you're prepared to completely stop vaccinating your child, you cannot claim a religious exemption to avoid particular vaccines.
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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
Posted by 5ofClubs
My preschool said Andrew must have the flu shot when entering in Sept and that it will be a law for all children entering school in Sept.
I am so mad about this.
Where is the info to back this up?
I manage a daycare/preschool and have to stay on top of all potential 142 childrens' files/immunizations and have yet to hear this from the state or from my health care advisor.
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dandr10199
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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
Posted by heidla
Posted by dandr10199
Posted by heidla
Posted by dandr10199
Posted by heidla
You do have the right to choose not to get your child vaccinated, but by doing that you are also deciding that you are going to home school her. Then when she wants to go to college she will have to get the MMR. Simple as that. Your choice.
Personally, I don't understand why people choose to leave their children ( and others mind you) vunerable to diseases that are potentially life threatening because of a possible link to something that isn't. JMHO.
I did vaccinate and as I stated in my other posts, did it on my terms. I am delaying the MMR until she is 5 years old, and Who Knows??? Maybe a TON of info may come out about that shot (like it did today) and the gov will tell us it is unnecessary. Who Knows? I for one, am waiting it out.
Plus, I DID NOT "leave my child vunerable to diseases that are potentially life threatening because of a possible link to something that isn't" b/c I did vaccinate. Plus, the link is coming out in small bits of info now and if there is a 1% chance that it will set off something inside DD to cause autism, she will not get the MMR this year and I will reevaluate next year.
have no problem with her getting the MMR as she enters college. She will be 18. AND as I stated, they may have a different form of the shot by then.
WOW! Guess I should have jumped in to my flame retardant suit today.
I guess we all should have. because it sounds to me as if you think those of us who CHOOSE to vacinate on schedule are not concerned about the well being of our child.
I did not write that. Can you quote me where I did write that? I know I did not write that AT ALL.
I did not mean my opinion to be taken in that way and if I offended anyone I am sorry.
It is very sad to me that when having an adult discussion, it turns into this when someone has a differing opinion than the majority. Please let me know if I did write "those of you who CHOSE to vaccinate on schedule are not concerned about the well being of our child". That is really untruthful & misleading for you to write about me, especially when I NEVER said that.
Again, I am sorry if you misinterpreted what I wrote and my opinion offended you.
First of all, you didn't offend me. Sorry if you thought that was what I meant.
Second, I never said that you specifically wrote that, but I said it sounds to me. In this statement I felt like you were infering that parents who choose to vaccinate on the recommended schedule aren't standing up for their rights. In some cases this might be true, but others of us have done the research and came up with an opinion that differs from yours.
ETA: I do not understand why parents are not more upset about the state dictating what can be injected into OUR children. I just don't get why parents are not trying to fight this legislation tooth and nail.
When I wrote that what you inferred was not what I meant at all. I meant that the state is infringing on our consitiutional rights by state mandating vaccinations and why aren't more parents upset about them infringing on our rights and the rights of our children.
I mean what I say and say what I mean. All of you should know me well enough by now to know that I don't beat around the bush. Next time, please take what I wrote as face value. I feel that inferring what a poster "means to say" is one of the major causes of drama on this site. JMHO.
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dandr10199
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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
Posted by MrsS2005
Posted by dandr10199
Posted by 5ofClubs
My preschool said Andrew must have the flu shot when entering in Sept and that it will be a law for all children entering school in Sept.
I am so mad about this.
You can claim a religious exemption. They cannot force you to give him a shot.
I'm pretty sure NY is not a "pick and choose" state so unless you're prepared to completely stop vaccinating your child, you cannot claim a religious exemption to avoid particular vaccines.
I did not know that. I thought that NY was a pick and choose state. Now I am confused. 
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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
Posted by MrsS2005
Posted by dandr10199
Posted by 5ofClubs
My preschool said Andrew must have the flu shot when entering in Sept and that it will be a law for all children entering school in Sept.
I am so mad about this.
You can claim a religious exemption. They cannot force you to give him a shot.
I'm pretty sure NY is not a "pick and choose" state so unless you're prepared to completely stop vaccinating your child, you cannot claim a religious exemption to avoid particular vaccines.
in my experience, that is 100% true. Once you have given your child even 1 shot, you are going to have a tough (if not impossible) time proving your religion does not approve. And that includes the HepB shot given in the hospital, which many people give without thinking twice.
I teach 6th grade which is a big vaccine year, so I start the year down a good 5-10% of students because they are not up to date. I don't know how it works for a private pre-school, but if it is part of a public school system, you will most likely have to go in front of the school board to argue your case, and will probably need an attorney. If it a private pre-school, I imagine they have every right to refuse your child if they are not vaccinated to their requirements.
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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
Posted by dandr10199
When I wrote that what you inferred was not what I meant at all. I meant that the state is infringing on our consitiutional rights by state mandating vaccinations and why aren't more parents upset about them infringing on our rights and the rights of our children.
What constitutional rights are the states infringing upon? There's a religious exemption, which addresses any first amendment issues. Also, if you don't fall under the religious exemption, you can choose not to send your children to public school.
IMO, the government has these vaccination requirements in order to protect children and prevent outbreaks of serious diseases.
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Posted by Summerrluvv
Why would anyone be upset over something that is mandated to PROTECT children from getting life threatening illnesses? I guess we'll just chalk this up to a difference in opinion because I have NO problem with someone telling me I have to get my children vaccinated if they want to be around other children 8 hours a day 5 days a week.
I feel the same way. Vaccines are not 100%. But when more kids are not vaccinated, "herd immunity" is less effective. I'm a teacher, and one of my kids had mumps, another had chicken pox. One of DH's students had whooping cough. These are illnesses that can be fatal (even chicken pox can turn into staph and kill a child. It's rare but it's happened.)
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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
forget it
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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
Posted by dandr10199
Posted by 5ofClubs
Posted by dandr10199
Posted by 5ofClubs
My preschool said Andrew must have the flu shot when entering in Sept and that it will be a law for all children entering school in Sept.
I am so mad about this.
You can claim a religious exemption. They cannot force you to give him a shot.
I thought that but I already gave him the other shots. I am sure they will tell me too bad. The flu shot scares me a lot though. Esp of it still has the dangerous chemicals in them.
You can claim a religious exemption at any time.
To claim this, there is a lot of leg work to go through, so be ready and do your research. I will not be giving my dd the chicken pox and the flu vaccine and have already started to research this and have talked to parents that have done this successfully. It's a lot of work, but worth it.
As for does vaccines cause autism? I have done much research on this as well, and did my thesis on this topic. The answer is still unknown because they can not find a direct cause. I do believe that genetics does play a role, and some other components, but I don't think you can rule out vaccines. I will be delaying all vaccines and also follow a one at a time vaccine schedule since there is not a definite yes or not to this question.
I would suggest this book:The Vaccine Book it is not a pro or con book about vaccines but more of a "here is the information to help you become more educated type book." know a lot of mom that have read it and really felt it had some good information.
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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
Posted by Karen
Posted by MrsS2005
Posted by dandr10199
Posted by 5ofClubs
My preschool said Andrew must have the flu shot when entering in Sept and that it will be a law for all children entering school in Sept.
I am so mad about this.
You can claim a religious exemption. They cannot force you to give him a shot.
I'm pretty sure NY is not a "pick and choose" state so unless you're prepared to completely stop vaccinating your child, you cannot claim a religious exemption to avoid particular vaccines.
in my experience, that is 100% true. Once you have given your child even 1 shot, you are going to have a tough (if not impossible) time proving your religion does not approve. And that includes the HepB shot given in the hospital, which many people give without thinking twice.
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I actually know of a family that were able to claim religious exemption just for the chicken pox vaccine just this year. It is a lot of work, but can be done if you stick to your guns!
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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
What it comes down to is that everybody is entitled to their choice in regards to vaccination and also believe that they may or may not cause Autism.
The bottom line, DS is in daycare, exposed to a lot of people who come and go, who in turn are exposed to other people and who knows what kind of disease they have.
I am not thrilled to vaccine DS but I think the fact that his potential for exposure is so much greater than a kid with a SAHM.
He has already caught RSV at Christmas time and multiple colds there.
No way I cannot not "protect" him in some way.
But the fact that a kid is unvaccinated at his daycare (although not allowed per our daycare!) does expose my child to a potential problem if that kid is sick.
We can't rely on other kids to be vaccinated so we don't need to vaccine our DC. If everybody felt that way nobody would be vaccinated anymore.
If DC did not go to daycare, I would probably delay a lot of vaccines (which I did already!!!).
The benefits of vaccines outgrow the risk of catching a disease in our case.
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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
Posted by dandr10199
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Posted by dandr10199
I guess I do not buy the whole "I was vaccinated and I turned out fine" b/c vaccines are different now and most are NOT made in the US.
How do you know the vaccines are different now than when we received them as children?
Don't you think science would have evolved as to make them less dangerous?
Serious question- I'm not flaming, just curious to see if there is concrete evidence about this.
(PS- sorry for lurking.)
You have to look at the label to see if it is an American made company and I have gone so far as to ask for specific "brands" that I know are made in the USA, are Mercury free and come in single dose vials:
Here's SOME proof that vaccines are exported to the US:
USA got improperly made flu vaccine
Hepititis B vaccine made in China
FAke Malaria Drugs that were made in, where else??? China
Vaccine Exporters
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I did not know that. I thought that NY was a pick and choose state. Now I am confused
It absolutely is not! Which stinks, because I really would like to pick and choose...
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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
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Posted by Summerrluvv
Why would anyone be upset over something that is mandated to PROTECT children from getting life threatening illnesses? I guess we'll just chalk this up to a difference in opinion because I have NO problem with someone telling me I have to get my children vaccinated if they want to be around other children 8 hours a day 5 days a week.
I feel the same way. Vaccines are not 100%. But when more kids are not vaccinated, "herd immunity" is less effective. I'm a teacher, and one of my kids had mumps, another had chicken pox. One of DH's students had whooping cough. These are illnesses that can be fatal (even chicken pox can turn into staph and kill a child. It's rare but it's happened.)
ITA with both of these.
I've said it before and I will say it again, we are lucky to live in a day and age where we can choose to vaccinate our children and not have to just wait to see if they will get a dred disease. That being said, I think we are also "spoiled" because we all were vaccinated and our quality of life is good!
There are more autism diagnosis these days because doctors no more, plain and simple, also it is such a broad spectrum!
Perhaps a vaccine would aggravate a pre-existing condition, like the child in the article, but it did not create it.
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| Posted 3/7/08 7:46 AM |
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CrankyPants
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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
Posted by dandr10199
Posted by Summerrluvv
.....but don't you think you should actually be part of a religion where shots are against your religious beliefs?
We have all been round and round about this and it makes me upset that my vaccinated kids have the potential to contract diseases that are making a comeback because people choose not to vaccinate their children.
YES. I do believe that you should actually be part of a religion where shots are against your religious beliefs to claim it AND I do believe that if it is against my own moral belief system to put mercury and all other cr@p that has the potential to harm my child, I should have an "op out" clause. As of now, there is not one.
As HER MOTHER I should have veto power as to what and what does not get injected into her. The state, gov, and other municipalities should NOT TELL ME HOW TO RAISE MY CHILD. So if there is no other "out clause" and claiming a religious exemption would possibly prevent my DD from getting a shot that could potentially harm her, then I will claim that religious exemption without ANY guilt.
UGH. This is something that I am very passionate about. The states mandating this is more of a reason for me to consider home schooling down the road. The state should not have the right to tell me what can or can not be injected into my child. 
Texas is mandating the HPV virus be given to girls between the ages of 9-14.
W T H???? UMMMM, last I looked HPV is a sexually transmitted disease. Age 9, you have GOT to be kidding me.
So, let me get this right...by today's standards, if I plan on teaching my daughter the importance of abstinence I am the one who is crazy. BUT if they want to inject her with a dormant HPV virus at age 9 THAT is acceptable? Or if NJ wants to mandate a flu shot that has toxins and mercury in it THAT is acceptable????
Vent over. 
ETA: I do not understand why parents are not more upset about the state dictating what can be injected into OUR children. I just don't get why parents are not trying to fight this legislation tooth and nail.
OK, now this vent is REALLY over!
I love your passion on this topic and your concern for your child but here's what I wonder:
The state can mandate that you get your child vaccinated if you want to participate in public programs (for ex, public education). This is for the safety of the majority, because overall it is deemed in the best interest of society for everyone to get vaccinated. So, if you are more concerned about the safety of your child rather over the safety of the majority then you do have the option of not participating in the public program. They can't really force you to vaccinate your child, however they can reduce your access to public goods/programs/services to prevent your child from putting others at risk.
To be honest, I am glad they do. If everyone stopped vaccinating or delayed vaccinations these diseases would come back with a vengeance.
Also, If my child was not vaccinated for whatever reason I would not want them out in public anyway. Schools, daycares, the grocery store, everywhere is filled with germs and I would be very concerned about them being out in public without the protection of a vaccination.
However, it sounds like you are already considering home schooling your children which might be a good option for you.
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| Posted 3/7/08 9:40 AM |
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bella
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Re: Did anyonee shots in a condensed period of time, realyl doesn't allow to space out for what may or may not be better for a chi hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
THis is such a tough topic and to be honest I have not had to make a deicion yet but will most likely delay and set up a staggered schedule because I think I would be too afraid not to vaccinate at all.....that said, it still bothers me that your child MUST have all doses of most shots to get into school, that just means more shots in a condensed period of time. Its tough but even if vaccines are not the direct cause of autism, which to my knowledge, NO ONE has said with CERTAINTY one way or another...yes I know there have been stories out about no direct link but even the CDC has not said DEFINITIVELY one way or the other, in my opinion they seem to walk the line of saying their benefits, how they have been around and save babies but always seem to leave the door open (even last night on larry king, there statement was rather vague to me) but if it acts as a trigger as it did in this case, and which the government CONCEDED, perhaps we really need to reevalute the vaccination system as a whole...maybe its staggering shots , changing the schedule, testing kids for pre-disposed conditions, etc.....but I think it is a strong leap for ANYONE to say one way or the other it does or does not cause autism...everyone has an opinion and I think at the end of the day it has to be a personal decision what you choose to do with your child....I will add, there are a LOT of kids these days not vaccinated.....I was shocked when I started hearing about more and more.....again, tough decisions and it amazes me that no one in government has really pushed a study, evaluation and getting to the bottom of the causes of autism...I would love to see all parents whether they are against or for vaccinations to band together and really push for studies, research....with enough public pressure it could happen....in my mind that's where the battle lies getting the government to act faster and put resources and research towards this all..I'm sure they do to some extent but it affects so many children today, it should be done....
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| Posted 3/7/08 10:39 AM |
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Lillykat
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Re: Did anyone hear anything about this - federal ct case re: autism and vaccines...
I am curious - and I don't want to get into whether shots are good or bad I'm not looking to debate that issue- but I have a probably naive curiosity question for those who do not give all or certain vaccines or delay them.
Do you have concerns about travel? Do you travel with your family? How do you feel about putting your child on a plane - where they might be with people from other countries or even here who are carrying one of the diseases that your child hasn't been vaccinated against. Is this a concern or something that you don't worry about?
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| Posted 3/7/08 11:16 AM |
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