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JennZ
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Re: Honest question for literal bible interpreters
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Posted by Ophelia
they must.
b/c I have no idea what you are talking about 
Do you have a bible? Read Genesis 1 and 2 and you will see what I am talking about.
This is why I think the Bible can't be literal, not because I think God is wrong, but because I think God CAN't be wrong.
GOD didn't write the Bible. Humans did - many, many, many years after these things happened. Stories were passed by word of mouth and while the details got fuzzy, the underlying message really didn't.
I don't interpret the Bible literally, but for many, many, many years Biblical scholars have pretty much agreed that the apparent errors and inconsistencies in the Bible are due to the fact that for such a long time, the Bible stories were spread by word of mouth. They were then written down by many different people. (There is no one Bible author). Then, the Bible was translated into many different languages, many times over.
Is it really so difficult to see how details can get lost in translation?
The question was aimed at people who believe that the bible was written by god and does not reflect the errors and values of people transcribing it. This is a completely different context.
Honestly, I don't think the question was aimed that way. I think you just like to keep narrowing and narrowing the focus of your questions in your own attempt to make people who believe differently than you look stupid. Maybe it's not your intent -- but you keep asking people to justify things b/c you just can't possibly understand them. When someone tries to explain it to you (here or elsewhere), you just keep saying "no, not what I meant. I meant it in this very limited circumstance which rarely or never exists."
You don't appear to genuinely want to understand anything. You honestly appear to want to call out people who you think have unreasonable beliefs.
I'm SURE you'll post saying that's not your intention. That doesn't change how it comes off.
ITA, and it is getting out of hand already.
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Re: Honest question for literal bible interpreters
oh man i think people need to spend time on other things than dissecting someone else's beliefs.
i'm with don, i believe because i just DO! my faith in God is one of the few things that keeps me going sometimes and to question it is just a slap in my face.
and i'm also with jess. i dont consider the Bible written by God. its written by his prophets and disciples who translated the occurrences into their own stories.
i think we need to stop talking about religion already because its obviously a very sensitive topic.
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Ophelia
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Re: Honest question for literal bible interpreters
maybe I am not too learned...but I didn't know anyone believe God put pen to paper to write the bible.
what religion is that?
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Re: Honest question for literal bible interpreters
Posted by Kara
Posted by JenniferEver
Posted by Kara
Posted by JenniferEver
Posted by Ophelia
they must.
b/c I have no idea what you are talking about
Do you have a bible? Read Genesis 1 and 2 and you will see what I am talking about.
This is why I think the Bible can't be literal, not because I think God is wrong, but because I think God CAN't be wrong.
GOD didn't write the Bible. Humans did - many, many, many years after these things happened. Stories were passed by word of mouth and while the details got fuzzy, the underlying message really didn't.
I don't interpret the Bible literally, but for many, many, many years Biblical scholars have pretty much agreed that the apparent errors and inconsistencies in the Bible are due to the fact that for such a long time, the Bible stories were spread by word of mouth. They were then written down by many different people. (There is no one Bible author). Then, the Bible was translated into many different languages, many times over.
Is it really so difficult to see how details can get lost in translation?
The question was aimed at people who believe that the bible was written by god and does not reflect the errors and values of people transcribing it. This is a completely different context.
Honestly, I don't think the question was aimed that way. I think you just like to keep narrowing and narrowing the focus of your questions in your own attempt to make people who believe differently than you look stupid. Maybe it's not your intent -- but you keep asking people to justify things b/c you just can't possibly understand them. When someone tries to explain it to you (here or elsewhere), you just keep saying "no, not what I meant. I meant it in this very limited circumstance which rarely or never exists."
You don't appear to genuinely want to understand anything. You honestly appear to want to call out people who you think have unreasonable beliefs.
I'm SURE you'll post saying that's not your intention. That doesn't change how it comes off.
I agree, well said Kara
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igottabeme
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Re: Honest question for literal bible interpreters
Posted by Ophelia
maybe I am not too learned...but I didn't know anyone believe God put pen to paper to write the bible.
what religion is that?
exactly! thats the first time i ever heard of it! thats why the Bible readings have names and numbers!
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Ophelia
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Re: Honest question for literal bible interpreters
Posted by igottabeme
oh man i think people need to spend time on other things than dissecting someone else's beliefs.
i'm with don, i believe because i just DO! my faith in God is one of the few things that keeps me going sometimes and to question it is just a slap in my face.
and i'm also with jess. i dont consider the Bible written by God. its written by his prophets and disciples who translated the occurrences into their own stories.
i think we need to stop talking about religion already because its obviously a very sensitive topic.
to me it smells like someone reads too much, but doesn't digest what they read before they regurgitate it through their fingers.
or
someone likes the idea that they are a master debater. but in reality, doesn't seem to have the proper skills yet.
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igottabeme
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Re: Honest question for literal bible interpreters
Posted by Ophelia
master debater.
that just makes me laugh for all the wrong reasons! 
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Ophelia
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Re: Honest question for literal bible interpreters
no matter where my mind it...I always have at least one brain cell in the gutter
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Re: Honest question for literal bible interpreters
I acknowledge that my earlier post hurt my case, but I am really curious about this.
I don't think people who think differently than I do are stupid, which is why I assume there is some explanation, and I am interested to hear it, it's something I can't quite wrap my mind around.
Even with creationism, I'd love for someone to tell me the reasons they believe it...
"I just do!" makes conversation difficult.
I would respect someone who said "Yes, i believe in creationism and this is the way I view the fossil record. I don't believe in the validity of carbon dating for this reason.." because at this point I just don't get it, and I don't see that explanation, but I'm sure there is one. I won't agree with it, but still.
I took a lot of religious/Jewish studies classes in college. One was with a bunch of secular types and one evangelical christian who would disagree with everything... at first she was just saying things, but the professor made her back it up, and it was really interesting and she challenged our assumptions
I was in another class with mostly conservative and orthodox Jews who had very different ideas about the bible than I did, and I was the minority in that case, but I was ablle to bring things up to challenge things they had always accepted. I enjoy that kind of dialogue, but I think my tone is what hurts me in these cases. I don't know how to temper my speech about certain things, but I am certainly capable of dialogue, in fact it's what I'm looking for rather than arguments and "too heated" discussions..
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Re: Honest question for literal bible interpreters
Posted by Ophelia
maybe I am not too learned...but I didn't know anyone believe God put pen to paper to write the bible.
what religion is that?
Not in that way, but there are people who believe that the bible was channeled through the writers and was not influenced by their beliefs and human error.
Most people believe as most people on this thread believe, that there is a great deal of human error involved, and we have to accept that, and it's not worth dismissing the entire Bible over.
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Re: Honest question for literal bible interpreters
Posted by Kara
You don't appear to genuinely want to understand anything. You honestly appear to want to call out people who you think have unreasonable beliefs.
Posted by JennZ
ITA, and it is getting out of hand already.
i have to agree. i don't think it's coincidence that you just happen to be pondering every single controversial issue that exists. you're looking for a fight - this is not the place to find it.
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Re: Honest question for literal bible interpreters
Posted by JenniferEver
"I just do!" makes conversation difficult.
But that is what "faith" is all about. Believing because you do. Not because you have factual information. Just because you believe.
And no one should have to validate or explain their beliefs to anyone else.
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JenniferEver
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Re: Honest question for literal bible interpreters
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by igottabeme
oh man i think people need to spend time on other things than dissecting someone else's beliefs.
i'm with don, i believe because i just DO! my faith in God is one of the few things that keeps me going sometimes and to question it is just a slap in my face.
and i'm also with jess. i dont consider the Bible written by God. its written by his prophets and disciples who translated the occurrences into their own stories.
i think we need to stop talking about religion already because its obviously a very sensitive topic.
to me it smells like someone reads too much, but doesn't digest what they read before they regurgitate it through their fingers.
Like everyone who answered on this thread and misinterpreted the question, ignoring the word literal?
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JenniferEver
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Re: Honest question for literal bible interpreters
Posted by sticklee
Posted by Kara
You don't appear to genuinely want to understand anything. You honestly appear to want to call out people who you think have unreasonable beliefs.
Posted by JennZ
ITA, and it is getting out of hand already.
i have to agree. i don't think it's coincidence that you just happen to be pondering every single controversial issue that exists. you're looking for a fight - this is not the place to find it.
Apparently it is
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JenniferEver
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Re: Honest question for literal bible interpreters
Posted by Palebride
Posted by JenniferEver
"I just do!" makes conversation difficult.
But that is what "faith" is all about. Believing because you do. Not because you have factual information. Just because you believe.
And no one should have to validate or explain their beliefs to anyone else.
They don't have to.
There's all this talk lately about what people don't have to do. No one has to participate in everything.
I actually intended this thread to say more like I am listening and want to hear what you have to say.
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Re: Honest question for literal bible interpreters
Posted by Palebride
Posted by JenniferEver
"I just do!" makes conversation difficult.
But that is what "faith" is all about. Believing because you do. Not because you have factual information. Just because you believe.
And no one should have to validate or explain their beliefs to anyone else.
I agree. Faith is blind and it's very hard for alot of people to believe in something they can't technically see or touch. For me, the bible IS proof and that's all I need.
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Re: Honest question for literal bible interpreters
Posted by Ophelia
maybe I am not too learned...but I didn't know anyone believe God put pen to paper to write the bible.
what religion is that?
The Church of BIC.....
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JennZ
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Re: Honest question for literal bible interpreters
Well maybe it's time to put it to sleep. 
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Re: Honest question for literal bible interpreters
oy
too deep for me on a cold and dreary day
back to sipping tea
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Ophelia
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Re: Honest question for literal bible interpreters
Posted by JenniferEver
Posted by Ophelia
maybe I am not too learned...but I didn't know anyone believe God put pen to paper to write the bible.
what religion is that?
Not in that way, but there are people who believe that the bible was channeled through the writers and was not influenced by their beliefs and human error.
Most people believe as most people on this thread believe, that there is a great deal of human error involved, and we have to accept that, and it's not worth dismissing the entire Bible over.
can I ask what research or experience gives you the knowlege and certainty to make so many statements with the words "most people believe" "some people believe"???
the idea that you *know* something that others don't is what hurts your case.
the idea that the 2 classes you took on religion with their mixed religion students gives you some kind of platform to speak so broadly hurts your case.
the fact that no one on here is claiming to be a creationist yet you keep *hoping* for one to engage in some kind of dialogue hurts your case.
the fact that you don't see to think before you type or speak hurts your case.
to my eyes, you don't read like someone that has read up on the arguments from both sides of the table and has formed her own conclusion.
you read like someone told you something once, and you ran with it.
this may or may not be the case..but this is what you are presenting. and that definitely does not help your case at all.
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Re: Honest question for literal bible interpreters
Posted by JenniferEver
Even with creationism, I'd love for someone to tell me the reasons they believe it...
"I just do!" makes conversation difficult.
I have questioned many parts of Catholicism before and my husband's answer is always Faith. I think most people who interpret the Bible literally will tell you the same thing. It's just what they were taught to believe.
I don't think anyone should take offense to this question.
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Re: Honest question for literal bible interpreters
Posted by igottabeme
Posted by Ophelia
maybe I am not too learned...but I didn't know anyone believe God put pen to paper to write the bible.
what religion is that?
exactly! thats the first time i ever heard of it! thats why the Bible readings have names and numbers!
I was wondering this myself. Which religion is this?
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JenniferEver
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Re: Honest question for literal bible interpreters
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by JenniferEver
Posted by Ophelia
maybe I am not too learned...but I didn't know anyone believe God put pen to paper to write the bible.
what religion is that?
Not in that way, but there are people who believe that the bible was channeled through the writers and was not influenced by their beliefs and human error.
Most people believe as most people on this thread believe, that there is a great deal of human error involved, and we have to accept that, and it's not worth dismissing the entire Bible over.
can I ask what research or experience gives you the knowlege and certainty to make so many statements with the words "most people believe" "some people believe"???
the idea that you *know* something that others don't is what hurts your case.
the idea that the 2 classes you took on religion with their mixed religion students gives you some kind of platform to speak so broadly hurts your case.
the fact that no one on here is claiming to be a creationist yet you keep *hoping* for one to engage in some kind of dialogue hurts your case.
the fact that you don't see to think before you type or speak hurts your case.
to my eyes, you don't read like someone that has read up on the arguments from both sides of the table and has formed her own conclusion.
you read like someone told you something once, and you ran with it.
this may or may not be the case..but this is what you are presenting. and that definitely does not help your case at all.
I should have prefaced it with "I think" or "I believe" Feel free to disagre.
I wasn't touting the classes as a credential (I didn't even say what the classes were), I was giving them as an example of the kind of dialogue that I was trying to start and which excites me.
What did someone tell me that I ran with?
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Ophelia
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Re: Honest question for literal bible interpreters
Posted by JenniferEver
Like everyone who answered on this thread and misinterpreted the question, ignoring the word literal?
uh, no. that was addressed already by multiple people.
again, read. digest. then speak.
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Re: Honest question for literal bible interpreters
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master debater. .
aww that's my girl
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