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chilltocam
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Re: Mandatory vaccine spin off

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Posted by Naturalmama

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Posted by chilltocam

"They" are not making it mandatory. Private businesses can set rules for admission, as long as those rules are do not discriminate based on set classifications. Vaccine status is not one of those classes. If an establishment has decided that they will only allow those who have been vaccinated to be admitted to their venue, you do have a choice - get the vaccine or don't go. Nothing about that is "mandatory"



If one starts others will too and before you know it, it will be mandatory to go to the supermarket. That is what people are worried about. Not, not being able to go to a football game.



It will never be mandatory to be vaccinated to go to essential businesses. I doubt it will be mandatory for much of anything. Biden himself said he doesn't support vaccine passports. People need to calm down. And like a PP said, if there is a venue, such as Broadway, that will not allow you in unless you're vaccinated, then you don't go to a Broadway show. A Broadway show, a football game, a concert...those things aren't rights, they are privileges. It is perfectly acceptable to require something for those activities. But like I said, I don't think it will happen anyway.



If Biden doesn’t support it then he should not allow it in NY.



Do you have any understanding of the Federal gov't vs. State gov't?

Posted 4/14/21 2:49 PM
 
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Re: Mandatory vaccine spin off

Posted by chilltocam

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by Naturalmama

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by chilltocam

"They" are not making it mandatory. Private businesses can set rules for admission, as long as those rules are do not discriminate based on set classifications. Vaccine status is not one of those classes. If an establishment has decided that they will only allow those who have been vaccinated to be admitted to their venue, you do have a choice - get the vaccine or don't go. Nothing about that is "mandatory"



If one starts others will too and before you know it, it will be mandatory to go to the supermarket. That is what people are worried about. Not, not being able to go to a football game.



It will never be mandatory to be vaccinated to go to essential businesses. I doubt it will be mandatory for much of anything. Biden himself said he doesn't support vaccine passports. People need to calm down. And like a PP said, if there is a venue, such as Broadway, that will not allow you in unless you're vaccinated, then you don't go to a Broadway show. A Broadway show, a football game, a concert...those things aren't rights, they are privileges. It is perfectly acceptable to require something for those activities. But like I said, I don't think it will happen anyway.



If Biden doesn’t support it then he should not allow it in NY.



Do you have any understanding of the Federal gov't vs. State gov't?



Yes I do and I disagree for things like this that it should be a state to state thing.

Wonder how many other states will require this like NY?

Posted 4/14/21 2:53 PM
 

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Re: Mandatory vaccine spin off

Posted by chilltocam

"They" are not making it mandatory. Private businesses can set rules for admission, as long as those rules are do not discriminate based on set classifications. Vaccine status is not one of those classes. If an establishment has decided that they will only allow those who have been vaccinated to be admitted to their venue, you do have a choice - get the vaccine or don't go. Nothing about that is "mandatory"



C’mon we really think private businesses would be making this kind of decision just because?? No, at least it’s not the case for the majority. There’s pressure put on private businesses to establish these type of rules. It has happened before, and it can happen again.

Posted 4/14/21 2:57 PM
 

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Re: Mandatory vaccine spin off

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Posted by chilltocam

"They" are not making it mandatory. Private businesses can set rules for admission, as long as those rules are do not discriminate based on set classifications. Vaccine status is not one of those classes. If an establishment has decided that they will only allow those who have been vaccinated to be admitted to their venue, you do have a choice - get the vaccine or don't go. Nothing about that is "mandatory"




This x 100000000

It's amazing how certain people who don't want to get the vaccine seem perfectly fine to have the rest of the public get it (usually for their comfort of being surrounded by vaccinated people), yet it's these same people that are the first to complain about being singled out by private businesses that prefer to only allow vaccinated people to attend. While I am sure not everybody has this opinion, many do and I have read the "i'll wait for everyone else to get it" comments on it. You can't have your cake and eat it too.


Posted by windyweather21

If one starts others will too and before you know it, it will be mandatory to go to the supermarket. That is what people are worried about. Not, not being able to go to a football game.



Vaccinations will never be mandatory for essential services like supermarkets. The local governments will never allow that. People should stop that silly talk, nobody is going to starve. And again private business have the right to accept or deny service.

What you *may* see is supermarkets allowing for "vaccine only shopping hours". Say every morning between 8-10am they will only allow vaccinated people to enter. Similar to what they did at the start of the pandemic when they only allowed senior citizens to grocery shop in the mornings. Where was the outrage then?

We are talking about elective and recreational things. Sporting events. Maybe concerts. Broadway Plays. I would personally LOVE to attend a packed sporting event or concert full of vaccinated people. I would feel more comfortable and we would be steps closer to being able to attend this event without having to wear a mask, something I am all for.



Lol we posted the exact same thing at the exact same time. Chat Icon



ITA with you both. 100%!!!

This daily "mandatory vaccine drama" is like Chat Icon Chat Icon. Is anyone still really surprised that those who are vaccinated wouldn't want to be stuffed into venues with people who are not vaccinated? Why would anyone want to add that risk given how easily COVID can be transmitted? Furthermore, I have no doubt that if private venues do institute this policy it's more to cover their own a$$ so they aren't held responsible for a COVID outbreak because they let everyone and anyone in.

I'm sorry but if you don't want the vaccine (which is your choice of course) then you don't get to complain about all the things you might not be able to do because of that choice. Life isn't always fair and privately owned companies have a right to institute their own policies and rules for operating their business.

Posted 4/14/21 2:59 PM
 

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Re: Mandatory vaccine spin off

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Privately owned companies have a right to institute their own policies and rules for operating their business.



As long as it goes in accordance with Big Government Chat Icon

Posted 4/14/21 3:05 PM
 

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Re: Mandatory vaccine spin off

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I'm annoyed that Cooperstown is requiring players 12+ to get it as it hasn't even bee approved for those 12-16 yet - I think that's ridiculous.



I am following this too. Many teams have already dropped out because of this.

Posted 4/14/21 3:08 PM
 

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Re: Mandatory vaccine spin off

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Posted by Hofstra26

Privately owned companies have a right to institute their own policies and rules for operating their business.



As long as it goes in accordance with Big Government Chat Icon



You mean that pesky old document called The Constitution?

Posted 4/14/21 3:08 PM
 

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Re: Mandatory vaccine spin off

Posted by soontobemommyof2

Posted by chilltocam

"They" are not making it mandatory. Private businesses can set rules for admission, as long as those rules are do not discriminate based on set classifications. Vaccine status is not one of those classes. If an establishment has decided that they will only allow those who have been vaccinated to be admitted to their venue, you do have a choice - get the vaccine or don't go. Nothing about that is "mandatory"



C’mon we really think private businesses would be making this kind of decision just because?? No, at least it’s not the case for the majority. There’s pressure put on private businesses to establish these type of rules. It has happened before, and it can happen again.



This. The government will not mandate it directly. They coerce it through private industry.

Posted 4/14/21 3:09 PM
 

chilltocam
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Re: Mandatory vaccine spin off

Posted by soontobemommyof2

Posted by chilltocam

"They" are not making it mandatory. Private businesses can set rules for admission, as long as those rules are do not discriminate based on set classifications. Vaccine status is not one of those classes. If an establishment has decided that they will only allow those who have been vaccinated to be admitted to their venue, you do have a choice - get the vaccine or don't go. Nothing about that is "mandatory"



C’mon we really think private businesses would be making this kind of decision just because?? No, at least it’s not the case for the majority. There’s pressure put on private businesses to establish these type of rules. It has happened before, and it can happen again.



No, I think they make decisions based on the bottom line - $$$. You really think they haven't started to look at what would be more profitable - to require vs not require a vaccine?

Posted 4/14/21 3:10 PM
 

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Re: Mandatory vaccine spin off

I do not understand the point of vaccine proof being more valuable than a negative test. Many fully vaxxed people are still getting covid, and they can spread it. So I am not sure how limiting things to vaxxed people is helpful. In fact it may be more dangerous because people think they are safe and let their guard down.

Posted 4/14/21 3:12 PM
 

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Re: Mandatory vaccine spin off

Posted by chilltocam

Posted by soontobemommyof2

Posted by chilltocam

"They" are not making it mandatory. Private businesses can set rules for admission, as long as those rules are do not discriminate based on set classifications. Vaccine status is not one of those classes. If an establishment has decided that they will only allow those who have been vaccinated to be admitted to their venue, you do have a choice - get the vaccine or don't go. Nothing about that is "mandatory"



C’mon we really think private businesses would be making this kind of decision just because?? No, at least it’s not the case for the majority. There’s pressure put on private businesses to establish these type of rules. It has happened before, and it can happen again.



No, I think they make decisions based on the bottom line - $$$. You really think they haven't started to look at what would be more profitable - to require vs not require a vaccine?



Exactly. Money makes the world go 'round. Whatever businesses decide to do it's because it'll make them more money and/or protect their own interests.

Posted 4/14/21 3:12 PM
 

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Re: Mandatory vaccine spin off

Posted by ChilisWife

I do not understand the point of vaccine proof being more valuable than a negative test. Many fully vaxxed people are still getting covid, and they can spread it. So I am not sure how limiting things to vaxxed people is helpful. In fact it may be more dangerous because people think they are safe and let their guard down.



A negative test is good for the moment it was taken and that's it. 2 seconds after you've taken a test you could be exposed. A fully vaccinated person is unlikely to get covid and IF they do, it is 100% certain that their symptoms will be milder than if they weren't vaccinated

Posted 4/14/21 3:15 PM
 

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Re: Mandatory vaccine spin off

Posted by ChilisWife

I do not understand the point of vaccine proof being more valuable than a negative test. Many fully vaxxed people are still getting covid, and they can spread it. So I am not sure how limiting things to vaxxed people is helpful. In fact it may be more dangerous because people think they are safe and let their guard down.



I wouldn't say "many", more like a handful. Over 74 million have been fully vaccinated. Just a few thousand (according to the CDC) contracted COVID after being vaccinated, numbers like that are negligible.

ETA - These cases were "expected" given the vaccines were never touted as 100% effective.

Message edited 4/14/2021 3:21:51 PM.

Posted 4/14/21 3:17 PM
 

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Re: Mandatory vaccine spin off

Posted by chilltocam

Posted by soontobemommyof2

Posted by chilltocam

"They" are not making it mandatory. Private businesses can set rules for admission, as long as those rules are do not discriminate based on set classifications. Vaccine status is not one of those classes. If an establishment has decided that they will only allow those who have been vaccinated to be admitted to their venue, you do have a choice - get the vaccine or don't go. Nothing about that is "mandatory"



C’mon we really think private businesses would be making this kind of decision just because?? No, at least it’s not the case for the majority. There’s pressure put on private businesses to establish these type of rules. It has happened before, and it can happen again.



No, I think they make decisions based on the bottom line - $$$. You really think they haven't started to look at what would be more profitable - to require vs not require a vaccine?



Considering how many people are hesitant about these vaccines and won’t get them, I doubt businesses will be making more money by only allowing vaccinated people. Regarding the constitution, there’s a lot I can say about that. But just to keep it short, unfortunately in recent times it has been purposefully misinterpreted by some while ignoring other essential parts of it to push forward a very unfair narrative so..........

Posted 4/14/21 3:20 PM
 

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Re: Mandatory vaccine spin off

Posted by ChilisWife

Posted by soontobemommyof2

Posted by chilltocam

"They" are not making it mandatory. Private businesses can set rules for admission, as long as those rules are do not discriminate based on set classifications. Vaccine status is not one of those classes. If an establishment has decided that they will only allow those who have been vaccinated to be admitted to their venue, you do have a choice - get the vaccine or don't go. Nothing about that is "mandatory"



C’mon we really think private businesses would be making this kind of decision just because?? No, at least it’s not the case for the majority. There’s pressure put on private businesses to establish these type of rules. It has happened before, and it can happen again.



This. The government will not mandate it directly. They coerce it through private industry.



Exactly!

Posted 4/14/21 3:21 PM
 

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Re: Mandatory vaccine spin off

Posted by Naturalmama

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by chilltocam

"They" are not making it mandatory. Private businesses can set rules for admission, as long as those rules are do not discriminate based on set classifications. Vaccine status is not one of those classes. If an establishment has decided that they will only allow those who have been vaccinated to be admitted to their venue, you do have a choice - get the vaccine or don't go. Nothing about that is "mandatory"



If one starts others will too and before you know it, it will be mandatory to go to the supermarket. That is what people are worried about. Not, not being able to go to a football game.



It will never be mandatory to be vaccinated to go to essential businesses. I doubt it will be mandatory for much of anything. Biden himself said he doesn't support vaccine passports. People need to calm down. And like a PP said, if there is a venue, such as Broadway, that will not allow you in unless you're vaccinated, then you don't go to a Broadway show. A Broadway show, a football game, a concert...those things aren't rights, they are privileges. It is perfectly acceptable to require something for those activities. But like I said, I don't think it will happen anyway.



Well the talk of it being mandatory in public schools down the road says the complete opposite.

Posted 4/14/21 3:28 PM
 

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Re: Mandatory vaccine spin off

Posted by soontobemommyof2

Considering how many people are hesitant about these vaccines and won’t get them, I doubt businesses will be making more money by only allowing vaccinated people. Regarding the constitution, there’s a lot I can say about that. But just to keep it short, unfortunately in recent times it has been purposefully misinterpreted by some while ignoring other essential parts of it to push forward a very unfair narrative so..........



Exactly what percentage of people are against getting vaccinated vs those in favor?

And as far as your argument re: the Constitution - what you really mean is there are those who disagree with your point of view....so there's that too...But the part of the Constitution being discussed here and the way it's been interpreted, is that part that prohibits discrimination based on race, ethnicity, gender, religion etc. If you believe that is a "misinterpretation" of the Constitution I feel sorry for you.

And on that note, I'm out - nothing else to say on this thread because the arguments are beyond ridiculous. Those who are against getting vaccinated will continue to stomp their feet and cry that their "rights" are being violated and will never believe anything other than that. Bye!

Message edited 4/14/2021 3:30:54 PM.

Posted 4/14/21 3:29 PM
 

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Re: Mandatory vaccine spin off

Posted by Hofstra26

Posted by Naturalmama

Posted by ave1024

Posted by chilltocam

"They" are not making it mandatory. Private businesses can set rules for admission, as long as those rules are do not discriminate based on set classifications. Vaccine status is not one of those classes. If an establishment has decided that they will only allow those who have been vaccinated to be admitted to their venue, you do have a choice - get the vaccine or don't go. Nothing about that is "mandatory"




This x 100000000

It's amazing how certain people who don't want to get the vaccine seem perfectly fine to have the rest of the public get it (usually for their comfort of being surrounded by vaccinated people), yet it's these same people that are the first to complain about being singled out by private businesses that prefer to only allow vaccinated people to attend. While I am sure not everybody has this opinion, many do and I have read the "i'll wait for everyone else to get it" comments on it. You can't have your cake and eat it too.


Posted by windyweather21

If one starts others will too and before you know it, it will be mandatory to go to the supermarket. That is what people are worried about. Not, not being able to go to a football game.



Vaccinations will never be mandatory for essential services like supermarkets. The local governments will never allow that. People should stop that silly talk, nobody is going to starve. And again private business have the right to accept or deny service.

What you *may* see is supermarkets allowing for "vaccine only shopping hours". Say every morning between 8-10am they will only allow vaccinated people to enter. Similar to what they did at the start of the pandemic when they only allowed senior citizens to grocery shop in the mornings. Where was the outrage then?

We are talking about elective and recreational things. Sporting events. Maybe concerts. Broadway Plays. I would personally LOVE to attend a packed sporting event or concert full of vaccinated people. I would feel more comfortable and we would be steps closer to being able to attend this event without having to wear a mask, something I am all for.



Lol we posted the exact same thing at the exact same time. Chat Icon



ITA with you both. 100%!!!

This daily "mandatory vaccine drama" is like Chat Icon Chat Icon. Is anyone still really surprised that those who are vaccinated wouldn't want to be stuffed into venues with people who are not vaccinated? Why would anyone want to add that risk given how easily COVID can be transmitted? Furthermore, I have no doubt that if private venues do institute this policy it's more to cover their own a$$ so they aren't held responsible for a COVID outbreak because they let everyone and anyone in.

I'm sorry but if you don't want the vaccine (which is your choice of course) then you don't get to complain about all the things you might not be able to do because of that choice. Life isn't always fair and privately owned companies have a right to institute their own policies and rules for operating their business.



Since it is not even approved by the FDA, I think people do have a right to complain.

Posted 4/14/21 3:30 PM
 

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Re: Mandatory vaccine spin off

Posted by ChilisWife

I do not understand the point of vaccine proof being more valuable than a negative test. Many fully vaxxed people are still getting covid, and they can spread it. So I am not sure how limiting things to vaxxed people is helpful. In fact it may be more dangerous because people think they are safe and let their guard down.



Exactly and it seems no one read my link I posted.

Posted 4/14/21 3:31 PM
 

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Re: Mandatory vaccine spin off

Posted by LittleDiva

Posted by Naturalmama

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by chilltocam

"They" are not making it mandatory. Private businesses can set rules for admission, as long as those rules are do not discriminate based on set classifications. Vaccine status is not one of those classes. If an establishment has decided that they will only allow those who have been vaccinated to be admitted to their venue, you do have a choice - get the vaccine or don't go. Nothing about that is "mandatory"



If one starts others will too and before you know it, it will be mandatory to go to the supermarket. That is what people are worried about. Not, not being able to go to a football game.



It will never be mandatory to be vaccinated to go to essential businesses. I doubt it will be mandatory for much of anything. Biden himself said he doesn't support vaccine passports. People need to calm down. And like a PP said, if there is a venue, such as Broadway, that will not allow you in unless you're vaccinated, then you don't go to a Broadway show. A Broadway show, a football game, a concert...those things aren't rights, they are privileges. It is perfectly acceptable to require something for those activities. But like I said, I don't think it will happen anyway.



Well the talk of it being mandatory in public schools down the road says the complete opposite.



Talk and speculation aren't facts.

I think much of this chatter about mandatory vaccines is unnecessary drama that's been fabricated by people who don't want the vaccine. Until something actually happens and the vaccine is actually mandated, there is nothing to really say about it. Right now, it's just all opinions.

Posted 4/14/21 3:33 PM
 

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Re: Mandatory vaccine spin off

Posted by ChilisWife

I do not understand the point of vaccine proof being more valuable than a negative test. Many fully vaxxed people are still getting covid, and they can spread it. So I am not sure how limiting things to vaxxed people is helpful. In fact it may be more dangerous because people think they are safe and let their guard down.




This is incorrect information. If you are vaccinated you are highly immune to getting it, and even if you do get it you likely won't have enough of the virus to be a "spreader".

Twitter Link

This article reports 5,800 breakthrough cases and 74 deaths among 77 million fully vaccinated Americans. Sounds bad until you realize it means the vaccine prevents 99.992% of people from contracting covid and it prevents 99.999904% from dying of covid.



I'll take my chances.

Message edited 4/14/2021 3:39:36 PM.

Posted 4/14/21 3:37 PM
 

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Re: Mandatory vaccine spin off

Posted by ave1024

Posted by ChilisWife

I do not understand the point of vaccine proof being more valuable than a negative test. Many fully vaxxed people are still getting covid, and they can spread it. So I am not sure how limiting things to vaxxed people is helpful. In fact it may be more dangerous because people think they are safe and let their guard down.




This is incorrect information. If you are vaccinated you are highly immune to getting it, and even if you do get it you likely won't have enough of the virus to be a "spreader".

https://twitter.com/BFriedmanDC/status/1382535016194863109?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1382535016194863109%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fmetsrefugees.com%2Fforum%2Findex.php%3Fthreads%2Fofficial-vaccination-thread.143766%2Fpage-36

This article reports 5,800 breakthrough cases and 74 deaths among 77 million fully vaccinated Americans. Sounds bad until you realize it means the vaccine prevents 99.992% of people from contracting covid and it prevents 99.999904% from dying of covid.



I'll take my chances.




Pretty much the same numbers as dying if Covid without a vaccine.

Message edited 4/14/2021 3:39:51 PM.

Posted 4/14/21 3:38 PM
 

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Re: Mandatory vaccine spin off

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by Hofstra26

Posted by Naturalmama

Posted by ave1024

Posted by chilltocam

"They" are not making it mandatory. Private businesses can set rules for admission, as long as those rules are do not discriminate based on set classifications. Vaccine status is not one of those classes. If an establishment has decided that they will only allow those who have been vaccinated to be admitted to their venue, you do have a choice - get the vaccine or don't go. Nothing about that is "mandatory"




This x 100000000

It's amazing how certain people who don't want to get the vaccine seem perfectly fine to have the rest of the public get it (usually for their comfort of being surrounded by vaccinated people), yet it's these same people that are the first to complain about being singled out by private businesses that prefer to only allow vaccinated people to attend. While I am sure not everybody has this opinion, many do and I have read the "i'll wait for everyone else to get it" comments on it. You can't have your cake and eat it too.


Posted by windyweather21

If one starts others will too and before you know it, it will be mandatory to go to the supermarket. That is what people are worried about. Not, not being able to go to a football game.



Vaccinations will never be mandatory for essential services like supermarkets. The local governments will never allow that. People should stop that silly talk, nobody is going to starve. And again private business have the right to accept or deny service.

What you *may* see is supermarkets allowing for "vaccine only shopping hours". Say every morning between 8-10am they will only allow vaccinated people to enter. Similar to what they did at the start of the pandemic when they only allowed senior citizens to grocery shop in the mornings. Where was the outrage then?

We are talking about elective and recreational things. Sporting events. Maybe concerts. Broadway Plays. I would personally LOVE to attend a packed sporting event or concert full of vaccinated people. I would feel more comfortable and we would be steps closer to being able to attend this event without having to wear a mask, something I am all for.



Lol we posted the exact same thing at the exact same time. Chat Icon



ITA with you both. 100%!!!

This daily "mandatory vaccine drama" is like Chat Icon Chat Icon. Is anyone still really surprised that those who are vaccinated wouldn't want to be stuffed into venues with people who are not vaccinated? Why would anyone want to add that risk given how easily COVID can be transmitted? Furthermore, I have no doubt that if private venues do institute this policy it's more to cover their own a$$ so they aren't held responsible for a COVID outbreak because they let everyone and anyone in.

I'm sorry but if you don't want the vaccine (which is your choice of course) then you don't get to complain about all the things you might not be able to do because of that choice. Life isn't always fair and privately owned companies have a right to institute their own policies and rules for operating their business.



Since it is not even approved by the FDA, I think people do have a right to complain.



You're complaining about NOTHING. You keep speculating about what "might" happen and a hundred "what ifs" but it's not rooted in any actual facts. You're just complaining to hear yourself complain at this point and it's most definitely Chat Icon. Get your panties in a wad when something actually gets mandated and actually DIRECTLY affects you. Until then, you're just spouting off about nothing thread after thread.

Posted 4/14/21 3:38 PM
 

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Re: Mandatory vaccine spin off

Posted by ave1024

Posted by ChilisWife

I do not understand the point of vaccine proof being more valuable than a negative test. Many fully vaxxed people are still getting covid, and they can spread it. So I am not sure how limiting things to vaxxed people is helpful. In fact it may be more dangerous because people think they are safe and let their guard down.




This is incorrect information. If you are vaccinated you are highly immune to getting it, and even if you do get it you likely won't have enough of the virus to be a "spreader".

https://twitter.com/BFriedmanDC/status/1382535016194863109?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1382535016194863109%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fmetsrefugees.com%2Fforum%2Findex.php%3Fthreads%2Fofficial-vaccination-thread.143766%2Fpage-36

This article reports 5,800 breakthrough cases and 74 deaths among 77 million fully vaccinated Americans. Sounds bad until you realize it means the vaccine prevents 99.992% of people from contracting covid and it prevents 99.999904% from dying of covid.



I'll take my chances.



Chat Icon Chat Icon

Posted 4/14/21 3:39 PM
 

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Re: Mandatory vaccine spin off

Posted by Hofstra26

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by Hofstra26

Posted by Naturalmama

Posted by ave1024

Posted by chilltocam

"They" are not making it mandatory. Private businesses can set rules for admission, as long as those rules are do not discriminate based on set classifications. Vaccine status is not one of those classes. If an establishment has decided that they will only allow those who have been vaccinated to be admitted to their venue, you do have a choice - get the vaccine or don't go. Nothing about that is "mandatory"




This x 100000000

It's amazing how certain people who don't want to get the vaccine seem perfectly fine to have the rest of the public get it (usually for their comfort of being surrounded by vaccinated people), yet it's these same people that are the first to complain about being singled out by private businesses that prefer to only allow vaccinated people to attend. While I am sure not everybody has this opinion, many do and I have read the "i'll wait for everyone else to get it" comments on it. You can't have your cake and eat it too.


Posted by windyweather21

If one starts others will too and before you know it, it will be mandatory to go to the supermarket. That is what people are worried about. Not, not being able to go to a football game.



Vaccinations will never be mandatory for essential services like supermarkets. The local governments will never allow that. People should stop that silly talk, nobody is going to starve. And again private business have the right to accept or deny service.

What you *may* see is supermarkets allowing for "vaccine only shopping hours". Say every morning between 8-10am they will only allow vaccinated people to enter. Similar to what they did at the start of the pandemic when they only allowed senior citizens to grocery shop in the mornings. Where was the outrage then?

We are talking about elective and recreational things. Sporting events. Maybe concerts. Broadway Plays. I would personally LOVE to attend a packed sporting event or concert full of vaccinated people. I would feel more comfortable and we would be steps closer to being able to attend this event without having to wear a mask, something I am all for.



Lol we posted the exact same thing at the exact same time. Chat Icon



ITA with you both. 100%!!!

This daily "mandatory vaccine drama" is like Chat Icon Chat Icon. Is anyone still really surprised that those who are vaccinated wouldn't want to be stuffed into venues with people who are not vaccinated? Why would anyone want to add that risk given how easily COVID can be transmitted? Furthermore, I have no doubt that if private venues do institute this policy it's more to cover their own a$$ so they aren't held responsible for a COVID outbreak because they let everyone and anyone in.

I'm sorry but if you don't want the vaccine (which is your choice of course) then you don't get to complain about all the things you might not be able to do because of that choice. Life isn't always fair and privately owned companies have a right to institute their own policies and rules for operating their business.



Since it is not even approved by the FDA, I think people do have a right to complain.



You're complaining about NOTHING. You keep speculating about what "might" happen and a hundred "what ifs" but it's not rooted in any actual facts. You're just complaining to hear yourself complain at this point and it's most definitely Chat Icon. Get your panties in a wad when something actually gets mandated and actually DIRECTLY affects you. Until then, you're just spouting off about nothing thread after thread.



Interesting as it IS happening as there are places I can not travel to without being vaccinated right now.
It is directly affecting me right now as while it might not be a necessity to vacation, does that mean if it trickles down to all places, I will never be able to travel?

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