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Re: Mandatory vaccine spin off
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Posted by Hofstra26
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Posted by chilltocam
"They" are not making it mandatory. Private businesses can set rules for admission, as long as those rules are do not discriminate based on set classifications. Vaccine status is not one of those classes. If an establishment has decided that they will only allow those who have been vaccinated to be admitted to their venue, you do have a choice - get the vaccine or don't go. Nothing about that is "mandatory"
This x 100000000
It's amazing how certain people who don't want to get the vaccine seem perfectly fine to have the rest of the public get it (usually for their comfort of being surrounded by vaccinated people), yet it's these same people that are the first to complain about being singled out by private businesses that prefer to only allow vaccinated people to attend. While I am sure not everybody has this opinion, many do and I have read the "i'll wait for everyone else to get it" comments on it. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
Posted by windyweather21
If one starts others will too and before you know it, it will be mandatory to go to the supermarket. That is what people are worried about. Not, not being able to go to a football game.
Vaccinations will never be mandatory for essential services like supermarkets. The local governments will never allow that. People should stop that silly talk, nobody is going to starve. And again private business have the right to accept or deny service.
What you *may* see is supermarkets allowing for "vaccine only shopping hours". Say every morning between 8-10am they will only allow vaccinated people to enter. Similar to what they did at the start of the pandemic when they only allowed senior citizens to grocery shop in the mornings. Where was the outrage then?
We are talking about elective and recreational things. Sporting events. Maybe concerts. Broadway Plays. I would personally LOVE to attend a packed sporting event or concert full of vaccinated people. I would feel more comfortable and we would be steps closer to being able to attend this event without having to wear a mask, something I am all for.
Lol we posted the exact same thing at the exact same time. 
ITA with you both. 100%!!!
This daily "mandatory vaccine drama" is like  . Is anyone still really surprised that those who are vaccinated wouldn't want to be stuffed into venues with people who are not vaccinated? Why would anyone want to add that risk given how easily COVID can be transmitted? Furthermore, I have no doubt that if private venues do institute this policy it's more to cover their own a$$ so they aren't held responsible for a COVID outbreak because they let everyone and anyone in.
I'm sorry but if you don't want the vaccine (which is your choice of course) then you don't get to complain about all the things you might not be able to do because of that choice. Life isn't always fair and privately owned companies have a right to institute their own policies and rules for operating their business.
Since it is not even approved by the FDA, I think people do have a right to complain.
You're complaining about NOTHING. You keep speculating about what "might" happen and a hundred "what ifs" but it's not rooted in any actual facts. You're just complaining to hear yourself complain at this point and it's most definitely . Get your panties in a wad when something actually gets mandated and actually DIRECTLY affects you. Until then, you're just spouting off about nothing thread after thread.
Interesting as it IS happening as there are places I can not travel to without being vaccinated right now.
It is directly affecting me right now as while it might not be a necessity to vacation, does that mean if it trickles down to all places, I will never be able to travel?
Where can't you travel to without a vaccine?
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Re: Mandatory vaccine spin off
Posted by windyweather21
Pretty much the same numbers as dying if Covid without a vaccine.
You REALLY need to stop getting hung up on dying. Perhaps you should also stop commenting as if you have ANY experience having COVID as you do NOT.
From FIRSTHAND experience I can tell you that COVID, even if you do not die, can be a very nerve wracking experience day to day. Why? Because there is simply NO way AT ALL to know how your immune system will react and there is NO way to predict how the virus will progress day to day.
That aside.
More importantly, the bigger and more problematic issue with COVID is the fact that you can suffer from a host of lingering (sometimes debilitating) health issues POST COVID. So when a vaccine is OVER 90% effective in minimizing those symptoms when you are sick so that you heal faster and don't suffer as much when you are ill that is a GAME CHANGER. Period.
Arguing about the efficacy and importance of vaccines (ANY vaccines) is pure stupidity. Think back in our history about all of the MANY vaccines we have now and how at one point in time they were new but changed the course of human health. Stop underestimating the COVID vaccine because it's new, that doesn't mean it isn't effective no matter how hard you try to stomp your feet. If you are afraid of it, don't take it. But stop trying to create this idiotic narrative that the vaccine doesn't work or does more harm than good because it's simply not true.
I read your link BTW but had already seen it online as well. Who cares that a handful of people still got COVID after being vaccinated. Over 70 million are fully vaxxed and a few thousand still got sick, statistically speaking that is NOTHING. The vaccine NEVER claimed to be a 100% effective anyway.
You are consistently talking out of your a$$ when it comes to both the virus and the vaccine. You don't really understand any of it and your comments repeatedly demonstrate that.
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Re: Mandatory vaccine spin off
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by Naturalmama
Posted by ave1024
Posted by chilltocam
"They" are not making it mandatory. Private businesses can set rules for admission, as long as those rules are do not discriminate based on set classifications. Vaccine status is not one of those classes. If an establishment has decided that they will only allow those who have been vaccinated to be admitted to their venue, you do have a choice - get the vaccine or don't go. Nothing about that is "mandatory"
This x 100000000
It's amazing how certain people who don't want to get the vaccine seem perfectly fine to have the rest of the public get it (usually for their comfort of being surrounded by vaccinated people), yet it's these same people that are the first to complain about being singled out by private businesses that prefer to only allow vaccinated people to attend. While I am sure not everybody has this opinion, many do and I have read the "i'll wait for everyone else to get it" comments on it. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
Posted by windyweather21
If one starts others will too and before you know it, it will be mandatory to go to the supermarket. That is what people are worried about. Not, not being able to go to a football game.
Vaccinations will never be mandatory for essential services like supermarkets. The local governments will never allow that. People should stop that silly talk, nobody is going to starve. And again private business have the right to accept or deny service.
What you *may* see is supermarkets allowing for "vaccine only shopping hours". Say every morning between 8-10am they will only allow vaccinated people to enter. Similar to what they did at the start of the pandemic when they only allowed senior citizens to grocery shop in the mornings. Where was the outrage then?
We are talking about elective and recreational things. Sporting events. Maybe concerts. Broadway Plays. I would personally LOVE to attend a packed sporting event or concert full of vaccinated people. I would feel more comfortable and we would be steps closer to being able to attend this event without having to wear a mask, something I am all for.
Lol we posted the exact same thing at the exact same time.
ITA with you both. 100%!!!
This daily "mandatory vaccine drama" is like . Is anyone still really surprised that those who are vaccinated wouldn't want to be stuffed into venues with people who are not vaccinated? Why would anyone want to add that risk given how easily COVID can be transmitted? Furthermore, I have no doubt that if private venues do institute this policy it's more to cover their own a$$ so they aren't held responsible for a COVID outbreak because they let everyone and anyone in.
I'm sorry but if you don't want the vaccine (which is your choice of course) then you don't get to complain about all the things you might not be able to do because of that choice. Life isn't always fair and privately owned companies have a right to institute their own policies and rules for operating their business.
Since it is not even approved by the FDA, I think people do have a right to complain.
You're complaining about NOTHING. You keep speculating about what "might" happen and a hundred "what ifs" but it's not rooted in any actual facts. You're just complaining to hear yourself complain at this point and it's most definitely . Get your panties in a wad when something actually gets mandated and actually DIRECTLY affects you. Until then, you're just spouting off about nothing thread after thread.
Interesting as it IS happening as there are places I can not travel to without being vaccinated right now.
It is directly affecting me right now as while it might not be a necessity to vacation, does that mean if it trickles down to all places, I will never be able to travel?
Please post links and facts that support this.
We will all wait.................
ETA - Unless I missed something, as of April 2nd the CDC updated travel information for those who are vaccinated however, I see nothing that says those who are not vaccinated cannot travel.
CDC Travel Guidelines
"The guidance issued today does not change the agency’s existing guidance for people who are not fully vaccinated. Unvaccinated travelers should still get tested 1-3 days before domestic travel and again 3-5 days after travel. They should stay home and self-quarantine for 7 days after travel or 10 days if they don’t get tested at the conclusion of travel. CDC discourages non-essential domestic travel by those who are not fully vaccinated."
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Re: Mandatory vaccine spin off
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by windyweather21
Pretty much the same numbers as dying if Covid without a vaccine.
You REALLY need to stop getting hung up on dying. Perhaps you should also stop commenting as if you have ANY experience having COVID as you do NOT.
From FIRSTHAND experience I can tell you that COVID, even if you do not die, can be a very nerve wracking experience day to day. Why? Because there is simply NO way AT ALL to know how your immune system will react and there is NO way to predict how the virus will progress day to day.
That aside.
More importantly, the bigger and more problematic issue with COVID is the fact that you can suffer from a host of lingering (sometimes debilitating) health issues POST COVID. So when a vaccine is OVER 90% effective in minimizing those symptoms when you are sick so that you heal faster and don't suffer as much when you are ill that is a GAME CHANGER. Period.
Arguing about the efficacy and importance of vaccines (ANY vaccines) is pure stupidity. Think back in our history about all of the MANY vaccines we have now and how at one point in time they were new but changed the course of human health. Stop underestimating the COVID vaccine because it's new, that doesn't mean it isn't effective no matter how hard you try to stomp your feet. If you are afraid of it, don't take it. But stop trying to create this idiotic narrative that the vaccine doesn't work or does more harm than good because it's simply not true.
I read your link BTW but had already seen it online as well. Who cares that a handful of people still got COVID after being vaccinated. Over 70 million are fully vaxxed and a few thousand still got sick, statistically speaking that is NOTHING. The vaccine NEVER claimed to be a 100% effective anyway.
You are consistently talking out of your a$$ when it comes to both the virus and the vaccine. You don't really understand any of it and your comments repeatedly demonstrate that.
Oh I hope the vaccine works but again it hasn’t even been approved by the FDA so this is all trial and error. It has already started with the J&J vaccine.
How convenient you come back after getting Covid so you could be included in these threads and know more. 
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You can not cruise outside of the United States without a vaccine and they are fighting now to start just cruising let alone not having to vaccinate be mandatory.
Again while a vacation this is not a necessity in life, it is something that could set the standards in all travel.
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Re: Mandatory vaccine spin off
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Considering how many people are hesitant about these vaccines and won’t get them, I doubt businesses will be making more money by only allowing vaccinated people. Regarding the constitution, there’s a lot I can say about that. But just to keep it short, unfortunately in recent times it has been purposefully misinterpreted by some while ignoring other essential parts of it to push forward a very unfair narrative so..........
Exactly what percentage of people are against getting vaccinated vs those in favor?
And as far as your argument re: the Constitution - what you really mean is there are those who disagree with your point of view....so there's that too...But the part of the Constitution being discussed here and the way it's been interpreted, is that part that prohibits discrimination based on race, ethnicity, gender, religion etc. If you believe that is a "misinterpretation" of the Constitution I feel sorry for you.
And on that note, I'm out - nothing else to say on this thread because the arguments are beyond ridiculous. Those who are against getting vaccinated will continue to stomp their feet and cry that their "rights" are being violated and will never believe anything other than that. Bye!
Why would they want or have to choose from 2 groups in the first place?? As a business owner, it’d not be in my best interest to choose 1 group over the other, I’d choose both of them. More customers, more money.
U were the one that brought up the constitution. I just added a wider point to it when I was referring to misinterpretation, not the part that prohibits discrimination. Gosh I hope that Big Government never changes or misinterpret that part cause that would be the biggest betrayal to our people and to the country as a whole.
And I totally understand if u wanna disengage from this conversation, I mean it is ur well deserved right (beautiful thing right?). I know talking about this kind of things makes some people uncomfortable and that’s acceptable too. Bye! Have a great day! 
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Re: Mandatory vaccine spin off
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by windyweather21
Pretty much the same numbers as dying if Covid without a vaccine.
You REALLY need to stop getting hung up on dying. Perhaps you should also stop commenting as if you have ANY experience having COVID as you do NOT.
From FIRSTHAND experience I can tell you that COVID, even if you do not die, can be a very nerve wracking experience day to day. Why? Because there is simply NO way AT ALL to know how your immune system will react and there is NO way to predict how the virus will progress day to day.
That aside.
More importantly, the bigger and more problematic issue with COVID is the fact that you can suffer from a host of lingering (sometimes debilitating) health issues POST COVID. So when a vaccine is OVER 90% effective in minimizing those symptoms when you are sick so that you heal faster and don't suffer as much when you are ill that is a GAME CHANGER. Period.
Arguing about the efficacy and importance of vaccines (ANY vaccines) is pure stupidity. Think back in our history about all of the MANY vaccines we have now and how at one point in time they were new but changed the course of human health. Stop underestimating the COVID vaccine because it's new, that doesn't mean it isn't effective no matter how hard you try to stomp your feet. If you are afraid of it, don't take it. But stop trying to create this idiotic narrative that the vaccine doesn't work or does more harm than good because it's simply not true.
I read your link BTW but had already seen it online as well. Who cares that a handful of people still got COVID after being vaccinated. Over 70 million are fully vaxxed and a few thousand still got sick, statistically speaking that is NOTHING. The vaccine NEVER claimed to be a 100% effective anyway.
You are consistently talking out of your a$$ when it comes to both the virus and the vaccine. You don't really understand any of it and your comments repeatedly demonstrate that.
Oh I hope the vaccine works but again it hasn’t even been approved by the FDA so this is all trial and error. It has already started with the J&J vaccine.
How convenient you come back after getting Covid so you could be included in these threads and know more.
Yes, I conveniently got COVID so that I can "best you" on the boards. Maybe while I was sick for two straight weeks LIF and your dumb BS was not really on the forefront of my mind. But the fact is, until you have had COVID you don't really understand COVID regardless of how many things you saw or read about it.
As for the vaccine, it is PROVEN over 90% effective so far (a fact you love to ignore) and the more time passes, the more it's showing to last and be effective. FDA approval is coming, at this point it's paperwork more than anything.
Get your vaccine or don't. Whatever. But stop spreading misinformation and speculation, all of which is rooted in NO fact, just your personal opinion and fear.
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Re: Mandatory vaccine spin off
Posted by windyweather21
You can not cruise outside of the United States without a vaccine and they are fighting now to start just cruising let alone not having to vaccinate be mandatory.
Again while a vacation this is not a necessity in life, it is something that could set the standards in all travel.
I've cruised a few times and I always say that cruise ships are disgusting petri dishes even on a good day and thousands are stuffed into tight quarters. In this case I completely see why a vaccine is necessary.
As for other travel, I am not seeing where it's being restricted. CDC says you can travel without a vaccine, you just have to follow different testing and quarantine guidelines than a vaccinated individual.
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Re: Mandatory vaccine spin off
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by Naturalmama
Posted by ave1024
Posted by chilltocam
"They" are not making it mandatory. Private businesses can set rules for admission, as long as those rules are do not discriminate based on set classifications. Vaccine status is not one of those classes. If an establishment has decided that they will only allow those who have been vaccinated to be admitted to their venue, you do have a choice - get the vaccine or don't go. Nothing about that is "mandatory"
This x 100000000
It's amazing how certain people who don't want to get the vaccine seem perfectly fine to have the rest of the public get it (usually for their comfort of being surrounded by vaccinated people), yet it's these same people that are the first to complain about being singled out by private businesses that prefer to only allow vaccinated people to attend. While I am sure not everybody has this opinion, many do and I have read the "i'll wait for everyone else to get it" comments on it. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
Posted by windyweather21
If one starts others will too and before you know it, it will be mandatory to go to the supermarket. That is what people are worried about. Not, not being able to go to a football game.
Vaccinations will never be mandatory for essential services like supermarkets. The local governments will never allow that. People should stop that silly talk, nobody is going to starve. And again private business have the right to accept or deny service.
What you *may* see is supermarkets allowing for "vaccine only shopping hours". Say every morning between 8-10am they will only allow vaccinated people to enter. Similar to what they did at the start of the pandemic when they only allowed senior citizens to grocery shop in the mornings. Where was the outrage then?
We are talking about elective and recreational things. Sporting events. Maybe concerts. Broadway Plays. I would personally LOVE to attend a packed sporting event or concert full of vaccinated people. I would feel more comfortable and we would be steps closer to being able to attend this event without having to wear a mask, something I am all for.
Lol we posted the exact same thing at the exact same time.
ITA with you both. 100%!!!
This daily "mandatory vaccine drama" is like . Is anyone still really surprised that those who are vaccinated wouldn't want to be stuffed into venues with people who are not vaccinated? Why would anyone want to add that risk given how easily COVID can be transmitted? Furthermore, I have no doubt that if private venues do institute this policy it's more to cover their own a$$ so they aren't held responsible for a COVID outbreak because they let everyone and anyone in.
I'm sorry but if you don't want the vaccine (which is your choice of course) then you don't get to complain about all the things you might not be able to do because of that choice. Life isn't always fair and privately owned companies have a right to institute their own policies and rules for operating their business.
Thank you!
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Re: Mandatory vaccine spin off
Posted by windyweather21
It is absolutely ridiculous as you see what is happening with the J&J vaccine so who knows if the other ones will have issues and have to stop being used. Then what happens? Things have to shit down again?
This should never be mandatory and I am sorry people who don’t see this as a controlling of the state and government are truly brainwashed.
I am very much willing to take a test if needed but now my freedom and everyone else who do not want the vaccine will be taken away to do many things in life?
Am I correct to say also that this is an emergency vaccine and not even fully approved by the FDA?
For what disgusting things the FDA allows in our everyday foods at the supermarket, I’m not sure why you’re so concerned with their approval on this.
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Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by windyweather21
You can not cruise outside of the United States without a vaccine and they are fighting now to start just cruising let alone not having to vaccinate be mandatory.
Again while a vacation this is not a necessity in life, it is something that could set the standards in all travel.
I've cruised a few times and I always say that cruise ships are disgusting petri dishes even on a good day and thousands are stuffed into tight quarters. In this case I completely see why a vaccine is necessary.
As for other travel, I am not seeing where it's being restricted. CDC says you can travel without a vaccine, you just have to follow different testing and quarantine guidelines than a vaccinated individual.
Well they have been cruising without one for awhile now and out of 400,000 cruises only 50 got Covid so they were fine without a vaccine.
Again if the cruise ships start without only having a vaccine, you never know if travel to other countries will do the same. That was my point.
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Posted by windyweather21
It is absolutely ridiculous as you see what is happening with the J&J vaccine so who knows if the other ones will have issues and have to stop being used. Then what happens? Things have to shit down again?
This should never be mandatory and I am sorry people who don’t see this as a controlling of the state and government are truly brainwashed.
I am very much willing to take a test if needed but now my freedom and everyone else who do not want the vaccine will be taken away to do many things in life?
Am I correct to say also that this is an emergency vaccine and not even fully approved by the FDA?
For what disgusting things the FDA allows in our everyday foods at the supermarket, I’m not sure why you’re so concerned with their approval on this.
You can choose not to eat those foods.
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Re: Mandatory vaccine spin off
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by windyweather21
You can not cruise outside of the United States without a vaccine and they are fighting now to start just cruising let alone not having to vaccinate be mandatory.
Again while a vacation this is not a necessity in life, it is something that could set the standards in all travel.
I've cruised a few times and I always say that cruise ships are disgusting petri dishes even on a good day and thousands are stuffed into tight quarters. In this case I completely see why a vaccine is necessary.
As for other travel, I am not seeing where it's being restricted. CDC says you can travel without a vaccine, you just have to follow different testing and quarantine guidelines than a vaccinated individual.
Well they have been cruising without one for awhile now and out of 400,000 cruises only 50 got Covid so they were fine without a vaccine.
Again if the cruise ships start without only having a vaccine, you never know if travel to other countries will do the same. That was my point.
COVID is VERY easily transmitted and as such, I can see why they would want people vaccinated when thousands are being stuffed onto a boat and touching EVERYTHING as everyone else for days and days.
My in-laws use to cruise 3-4 times a year when they retired, I cannot tell you how many times they ended up with norovirus on the cruise. If that spreads so easily you can imagine how much more COVID would spread.
You cannot compare a cruise vacation to other travel, it's a unique situation in many respects. And again, you're just speculating, making assumptions and running around "what if'ing" everything. Until it happens, if it ever happens, stop stressing. What is the point???
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Re: Mandatory vaccine spin off
Posted by ave1024
Posted by chilltocam
"They" are not making it mandatory. Private businesses can set rules for admission, as long as those rules are do not discriminate based on set classifications. Vaccine status is not one of those classes. If an establishment has decided that they will only allow those who have been vaccinated to be admitted to their venue, you do have a choice - get the vaccine or don't go. Nothing about that is "mandatory"
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It's amazing how certain people who don't want to get the vaccine seem perfectly fine to have the rest of the public get it (usually for their comfort of being surrounded by vaccinated people), yet it's these same people that are the first to complain about being singled out by private businesses that prefer to only allow vaccinated people to attend. While I am sure not everybody has this opinion, many do and I have read the "i'll wait for everyone else to get it" comments on it. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
This is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard. I actually feel MORE uncomfortable around vaccinated people than unvaccinated because many of the vaccinated people I know are living like they are now fully immune to covid - throwing caution to the wind and not wearing masks etc. It’s super confusing since there have been many cases of vaccinated people getting and spreading covid. I’m not sure if these people are stupid or just living in a bubble. I would take my chances around an unvaccinated super cautious person any day! Second, the people I know that aren’t getting the vaccine hope their family and friends wait as well until there is more data etc because they love them and want them to stay healthy and safe (if that’s their opinion). Your statement has no validity whatsoever.
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Re: Mandatory vaccine spin off
Posted by itsbabytime
Posted by ave1024
Posted by chilltocam
"They" are not making it mandatory. Private businesses can set rules for admission, as long as those rules are do not discriminate based on set classifications. Vaccine status is not one of those classes. If an establishment has decided that they will only allow those who have been vaccinated to be admitted to their venue, you do have a choice - get the vaccine or don't go. Nothing about that is "mandatory"
This x 100000000
It's amazing how certain people who don't want to get the vaccine seem perfectly fine to have the rest of the public get it (usually for their comfort of being surrounded by vaccinated people), yet it's these same people that are the first to complain about being singled out by private businesses that prefer to only allow vaccinated people to attend. While I am sure not everybody has this opinion, many do and I have read the "i'll wait for everyone else to get it" comments on it. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
This is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard. I actually feel MORE uncomfortable around vaccinated people than unvaccinated because many of the vaccinated people I know are living like they are now fully immune to covid - throwing caution to the wind and not wearing masks etc. It’s super confusing since there have been many cases of vaccinated people getting and spreading covid. I’m not sure if these people are stupid or just living in a bubble. I would take my chances around an unvaccinated super cautious person any day! Second, the people I know that aren’t getting the vaccine hope their family and friends wait as well until there is more data etc because they love them and want them to stay healthy and safe (if that’s their opinion). Your statement has no validity whatsoever.
Well then the people you know are morons, whether they are vaccinated or not. Nobody should be living their pre-covid life right now, vaccinated or not.
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Re: Mandatory vaccine spin off
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by windyweather21
You can not cruise outside of the United States without a vaccine and they are fighting now to start just cruising let alone not having to vaccinate be mandatory.
Again while a vacation this is not a necessity in life, it is something that could set the standards in all travel.
I've cruised a few times and I always say that cruise ships are disgusting petri dishes even on a good day and thousands are stuffed into tight quarters. In this case I completely see why a vaccine is necessary.
As for other travel, I am not seeing where it's being restricted. CDC says you can travel without a vaccine, you just have to follow different testing and quarantine guidelines than a vaccinated individual.
Well they have been cruising without one for awhile now and out of 400,000 cruises only 50 got Covid so they were fine without a vaccine.
Again if the cruise ships start without only having a vaccine, you never know if travel to other countries will do the same. That was my point.
COVID is VERY easily transmitted and as such, I can see why they would want people vaccinated when thousands are being stuffed onto a boat and touching EVERYTHING as everyone else for days and days.
My in-laws use to cruise 3-4 times a year when they retired, I cannot tell you how many times they ended up with norovirus on the cruise. If that spreads so easily you can imagine how much more COVID would spread.
You cannot compare a cruise vacation to other travel, it's a unique situation in many respects. And again, you're just speculating, making assumptions and running around "what if'ing" everything. Until it happens, if it ever happens, stop stressing. What is the point???
That sucks, never got it from cruising but it seems they have made it very safe to cruise now and still will follow many protocols.
Since I have had to push up vacations and have no clue what is going on or where I can go, it is a little stressful. I don’t plan to hide out in my house this summer and would love to have a real vacation.
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Re: Mandatory vaccine spin off
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by windyweather21
You can not cruise outside of the United States without a vaccine and they are fighting now to start just cruising let alone not having to vaccinate be mandatory.
Again while a vacation this is not a necessity in life, it is something that could set the standards in all travel.
I've cruised a few times and I always say that cruise ships are disgusting petri dishes even on a good day and thousands are stuffed into tight quarters. In this case I completely see why a vaccine is necessary.
As for other travel, I am not seeing where it's being restricted. CDC says you can travel without a vaccine, you just have to follow different testing and quarantine guidelines than a vaccinated individual.
Well they have been cruising without one for awhile now and out of 400,000 cruises only 50 got Covid so they were fine without a vaccine.
Again if the cruise ships start without only having a vaccine, you never know if travel to other countries will do the same. That was my point.
COVID is VERY easily transmitted and as such, I can see why they would want people vaccinated when thousands are being stuffed onto a boat and touching EVERYTHING as everyone else for days and days.
My in-laws use to cruise 3-4 times a year when they retired, I cannot tell you how many times they ended up with norovirus on the cruise. If that spreads so easily you can imagine how much more COVID would spread.
You cannot compare a cruise vacation to other travel, it's a unique situation in many respects. And again, you're just speculating, making assumptions and running around "what if'ing" everything. Until it happens, if it ever happens, stop stressing. What is the point???
That sucks, never got it from cruising but it seems they have made it very safe to cruise now and still will follow many protocols.
Since I have had to push up vacations and have no clue what is going on or where I can go, it is a little stressful. I don’t plan to hide out in my house this summer and would love to have a real vacation.
You will be able to have a real vacation. I personally will not travel by plane just yet, but MANY people I know went away over spring break. Florida, California, Aruba, DR. They are all vaccinated but they were never asked if they were. You will have plenty of places to go.
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| Posted 4/14/21 4:41 PM |
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Re: Mandatory vaccine spin off
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by Naturalmama
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by chilltocam
"They" are not making it mandatory. Private businesses can set rules for admission, as long as those rules are do not discriminate based on set classifications. Vaccine status is not one of those classes. If an establishment has decided that they will only allow those who have been vaccinated to be admitted to their venue, you do have a choice - get the vaccine or don't go. Nothing about that is "mandatory"
If one starts others will too and before you know it, it will be mandatory to go to the supermarket. That is what people are worried about. Not, not being able to go to a football game.
It will never be mandatory to be vaccinated to go to essential businesses. I doubt it will be mandatory for much of anything. Biden himself said he doesn't support vaccine passports. People need to calm down. And like a PP said, if there is a venue, such as Broadway, that will not allow you in unless you're vaccinated, then you don't go to a Broadway show. A Broadway show, a football game, a concert...those things aren't rights, they are privileges. It is perfectly acceptable to require something for those activities. But like I said, I don't think it will happen anyway.
Well the talk of it being mandatory in public schools down the road says the complete opposite.
Talk and speculation aren't facts.
I think much of this chatter about mandatory vaccines is unnecessary drama that's been fabricated by people who don't want the vaccine. Until something actually happens and the vaccine is actually mandated, there is nothing to really say about it. Right now, it's just all opinions.
Not in a million years did I (and so many other parents) think NY would get rid of religious exemptions (and trampled over the constitution in this issue) in schools. But it happened in a matter of weeks, leaving my children along with almost 27,000 other children without the right to go to school. NY has also made recent attempts to pass into law mandates for the flu and HPV vaccines. So when it has to do with the covid vaccine, the writing is on the wall. We’d be kidding ourselves if we think they won’t try to make it mandatory in schools. I hope I’m wrong, I really, really hope I’m wrong cause nobody deserves to be imposed to take something they do not want. This is also happening in other states too.
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| Posted 4/14/21 4:43 PM |
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Re: Mandatory vaccine spin off
Posted by Naturalmama
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by windyweather21
You can not cruise outside of the United States without a vaccine and they are fighting now to start just cruising let alone not having to vaccinate be mandatory.
Again while a vacation this is not a necessity in life, it is something that could set the standards in all travel.
I've cruised a few times and I always say that cruise ships are disgusting petri dishes even on a good day and thousands are stuffed into tight quarters. In this case I completely see why a vaccine is necessary.
As for other travel, I am not seeing where it's being restricted. CDC says you can travel without a vaccine, you just have to follow different testing and quarantine guidelines than a vaccinated individual.
Well they have been cruising without one for awhile now and out of 400,000 cruises only 50 got Covid so they were fine without a vaccine.
Again if the cruise ships start without only having a vaccine, you never know if travel to other countries will do the same. That was my point.
COVID is VERY easily transmitted and as such, I can see why they would want people vaccinated when thousands are being stuffed onto a boat and touching EVERYTHING as everyone else for days and days.
My in-laws use to cruise 3-4 times a year when they retired, I cannot tell you how many times they ended up with norovirus on the cruise. If that spreads so easily you can imagine how much more COVID would spread.
You cannot compare a cruise vacation to other travel, it's a unique situation in many respects. And again, you're just speculating, making assumptions and running around "what if'ing" everything. Until it happens, if it ever happens, stop stressing. What is the point???
That sucks, never got it from cruising but it seems they have made it very safe to cruise now and still will follow many protocols.
Since I have had to push up vacations and have no clue what is going on or where I can go, it is a little stressful. I don’t plan to hide out in my house this summer and would love to have a real vacation.
You will be able to have a real vacation. I personally will not travel by plane just yet, but MANY people I know went away over spring break. Florida, California, Aruba, DR. They are all vaccinated but they were never asked if they were. You will have plenty of places to go.
Yeah been looking around. Can’t get a deal as good as a cruise though (for what we are paying) it seems and I have gotten spoiled by that type of vacation. I admit that when looking around.
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| Posted 4/14/21 4:44 PM |
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Re: Mandatory vaccine spin off
Posted by Naturalmama
Posted by itsbabytime
Posted by ave1024
Posted by chilltocam
"They" are not making it mandatory. Private businesses can set rules for admission, as long as those rules are do not discriminate based on set classifications. Vaccine status is not one of those classes. If an establishment has decided that they will only allow those who have been vaccinated to be admitted to their venue, you do have a choice - get the vaccine or don't go. Nothing about that is "mandatory"
This x 100000000
It's amazing how certain people who don't want to get the vaccine seem perfectly fine to have the rest of the public get it (usually for their comfort of being surrounded by vaccinated people), yet it's these same people that are the first to complain about being singled out by private businesses that prefer to only allow vaccinated people to attend. While I am sure not everybody has this opinion, many do and I have read the "i'll wait for everyone else to get it" comments on it. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
This is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard. I actually feel MORE uncomfortable around vaccinated people than unvaccinated because many of the vaccinated people I know are living like they are now fully immune to covid - throwing caution to the wind and not wearing masks etc. It’s super confusing since there have been many cases of vaccinated people getting and spreading covid. I’m not sure if these people are stupid or just living in a bubble. I would take my chances around an unvaccinated super cautious person any day! Second, the people I know that aren’t getting the vaccine hope their family and friends wait as well until there is more data etc because they love them and want them to stay healthy and safe (if that’s their opinion). Your statement has no validity whatsoever.
Well then the people you know are morons, whether they are vaccinated or not. Nobody should be living their pre-covid life right now, vaccinated or not.
You'd be surprised. There is a lot of people who are getting the vaccine and going back to normal. Now they can hang out again, no masks etc.
I don't care at this point, to each their own, but I do believe that is the majority thought process. Look at posts from this site or even the CDC's recommendation that you can hang out with other vaccinated folks with no mask. Basically telling people its ok to go back to pre-covid. So I cant really blame people for thinking this way as well.
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| Posted 4/14/21 4:58 PM |
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Re: Mandatory vaccine spin off
Posted by Sash
Posted by Naturalmama
Posted by itsbabytime
Posted by ave1024
Posted by chilltocam
"They" are not making it mandatory. Private businesses can set rules for admission, as long as those rules are do not discriminate based on set classifications. Vaccine status is not one of those classes. If an establishment has decided that they will only allow those who have been vaccinated to be admitted to their venue, you do have a choice - get the vaccine or don't go. Nothing about that is "mandatory"
This x 100000000
It's amazing how certain people who don't want to get the vaccine seem perfectly fine to have the rest of the public get it (usually for their comfort of being surrounded by vaccinated people), yet it's these same people that are the first to complain about being singled out by private businesses that prefer to only allow vaccinated people to attend. While I am sure not everybody has this opinion, many do and I have read the "i'll wait for everyone else to get it" comments on it. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
This is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard. I actually feel MORE uncomfortable around vaccinated people than unvaccinated because many of the vaccinated people I know are living like they are now fully immune to covid - throwing caution to the wind and not wearing masks etc. It’s super confusing since there have been many cases of vaccinated people getting and spreading covid. I’m not sure if these people are stupid or just living in a bubble. I would take my chances around an unvaccinated super cautious person any day! Second, the people I know that aren’t getting the vaccine hope their family and friends wait as well until there is more data etc because they love them and want them to stay healthy and safe (if that’s their opinion). Your statement has no validity whatsoever.
Well then the people you know are morons, whether they are vaccinated or not. Nobody should be living their pre-covid life right now, vaccinated or not.
You'd be surprised. There is a lot of people who are getting the vaccine and going back to normal. Not they can hang out again, no masks etc.
I don't care at this point, to each their own, but I do believe that is the majority thought process. Look at posts from this site or even the CDC's recommendation that you can hang out with other vaccinated folks with no mask. Basically telling people its ok to go back to pre-covid. So I cant really blame people for thinking this way as well.
Exactly. Not sure why she is calling them morons when that is what they are telling people they can do. It’s all over the media.
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| Posted 4/14/21 5:00 PM |
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Re: Mandatory vaccine spin off
The facts that vaccinated people can get sick, that kids can't be vaccinated, and that increased spread leads to increased chances of a vaccine-resistant strain going around all underscore that this is a public health crisis and all policy decisions, public and private have to be made with more than just individual liberties in mind.
If it were ebola going around, with its death rate, and a vaccine that promised 95% efficacy and potential herd immunity from it if enough took it, would people still be opposing vaccine requirements? Where do we draw the line?
It will be interesting to see what various government and commercial enterprises do in terms of policy decisions that will affect everyone.
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| Posted 4/14/21 5:05 PM |
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NervousNell
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Re: Mandatory vaccine spin off
Posted by Sash
Posted by Naturalmama
Posted by itsbabytime
Posted by ave1024
Posted by chilltocam
"They" are not making it mandatory. Private businesses can set rules for admission, as long as those rules are do not discriminate based on set classifications. Vaccine status is not one of those classes. If an establishment has decided that they will only allow those who have been vaccinated to be admitted to their venue, you do have a choice - get the vaccine or don't go. Nothing about that is "mandatory"
This x 100000000
It's amazing how certain people who don't want to get the vaccine seem perfectly fine to have the rest of the public get it (usually for their comfort of being surrounded by vaccinated people), yet it's these same people that are the first to complain about being singled out by private businesses that prefer to only allow vaccinated people to attend. While I am sure not everybody has this opinion, many do and I have read the "i'll wait for everyone else to get it" comments on it. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
This is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard. I actually feel MORE uncomfortable around vaccinated people than unvaccinated because many of the vaccinated people I know are living like they are now fully immune to covid - throwing caution to the wind and not wearing masks etc. It’s super confusing since there have been many cases of vaccinated people getting and spreading covid. I’m not sure if these people are stupid or just living in a bubble. I would take my chances around an unvaccinated super cautious person any day! Second, the people I know that aren’t getting the vaccine hope their family and friends wait as well until there is more data etc because they love them and want them to stay healthy and safe (if that’s their opinion). Your statement has no validity whatsoever.
Well then the people you know are morons, whether they are vaccinated or not. Nobody should be living their pre-covid life right now, vaccinated or not.
You'd be surprised. There is a lot of people who are getting the vaccine and going back to normal. Now they can hang out again, no masks etc.
I don't care at this point, to each their own, but I do believe that is the majority thought process. Look at posts from this site or even the CDC's recommendation that you can hang out with other vaccinated folks with no mask. Basically telling people its ok to go back to pre-covid. So I cant really blame people for thinking this way as well.
And the nonsense like this that has been going around.
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| Posted 4/14/21 5:18 PM |
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NervousNell
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Re: Mandatory vaccine spin off
There was even an article somewhere yesterday how young people can't wait to have a summer of casual sex and bar hook ups etc because they are all vaccinated now.
Great....
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| Posted 4/14/21 5:20 PM |
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Re: Mandatory vaccine spin off
Posted by NervousNell
There was even an article somewhere yesterday how young people can't wait to have a summer of casual sex and bar hook ups etc because they are all vaccinated now.
Great....
I hope with protection because last I checked STD's and AIDS was still a thing. 
Message edited 4/14/2021 5:26:19 PM.
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