Re: Touchy subject on Politics... do I dare do it? YES Obama vs Clinton

Message edited 1/4/2008 7:51:15 PM.

Re: Touchy subject on Politics... do I dare do it? YES Obama vs Clinton

I think neither candidate should be the next president. Its not about man or women, black or white, Its about a person with little experience, and a person who changes their mind like the wind to suit the situation at hand. A typical politician.

Re: Touchy subject on Politics... do I dare do it? YES Obama vs Clinton

I'm a political junkie - so I can't resist responding to this thread.

Obama has won Iowa -

But The only person who ever won Iowa and then went on to win the nomination and then presidency was George W. Bush - and well, the less said about him the better.

Another famous Clinton lost Iowa then won NH and we elected him President, twice.

So Obama winning Iowa doesnt mean much - if he follows Iowa with NH and then South Carolina (which is a much bigger challenge than libertarian NH), then I think the momentum will take over.

Clinton has a sizable lead in NH and the caucus is 5 days away - that's enough time for Obama to overtake her - but I really dont think he will.

So here's what I envision the conversation is in Hillary's advisor's room regarding her challenges:

1. Many people dont like her - well, that's not gonna change too much no matter how many appearances on David Letterman she does - or how many times she tries to laugh when she's interviewed.

2. the Bill factor. Do you use him - or leave him at home? Look at what happened to Gore - he never used Clinton and he lost (well, actually he won the election, but that's another post). So Hill will bring out Bill everywhere - the LOVE him in NH (it's where he got the nickname the comeback kid) and he can possibly cancel out their fear of her universal medical care program.

3. A woman can't lead troops. Well, not like 'W' and his cronies have done any good at all -but the stigma remains that she (or any woman) can't 'push the button' or lead the military. So if she gets the nomination she'll need a VP who balances out that challenge - and here's my predication - she'll go to
her old pal, Supreme Allied Commander General Wesley Clark as VP. He was in charge of all of the US and NATO forces in the former Yugoslavia when Slobodan Milosevic was taken out of power. . . . and there weren't any US military casualties under Gen. Clark.

Obama - well, how can you not like him? He's smart, well spoken, has a smart wife, two cute kids. Speaks about issues I am passionate about. . . but I dont know if he has enough experience to be president. He is in his first term as a US Senator. I dont know if that is enough.

Sure, I'd happily vote for him over Huckabee or Romney, but I'm voting for Hillary.

Edwards is dead in the water. He needed MUCH more than 29% in Iowa, given how much money and time he spent there - if you're not voting for Hillary, then you're vote is for Obama - he has all the momentum right now, not Edwards.

Re: Touchy subject on Politics... do I dare do it? YES Obama vs Clinton

If Obama or Clinton are on the ticket look for four more years of Republican BS......I just don't see Middle America voting for either one

Re: Touchy subject on Politics... do I dare do it? YES Obama vs Clinton

Re: Touchy subject on Politics... do I dare do it? YES Obama vs Clinton

I am keeping an open mind.....once the canidates are picked I will start doing research and then make my decision. At this point i'm not willing to get involved in it yet

Re: Touchy subject on Politics... do I dare do it? YES Obama vs Clinton

Message edited 1/5/2008 12:18:34 AM.

Re: Touchy subject on Politics... do I dare do it? YES Obama vs Clinton

Re: Touchy subject on Politics... do I dare do it? YES Obama vs Clinton

Truthfully, I dont have an opinion on either one of them at all, Im afraid that people will vote for either based solely on the fact that he is black and she is a woman, i would hope not but there is a small part of me thinks people will-regardless of what they offer.
Now on the other hand, I lived in SC for 4.5 years and have never been called a racist until I got there. I have 2 family members that are black. Its one of those situation that actually in jest isnt me being a racist but a group thinking I was b/c I didnt jump to attention when they snapped for me to do so.
I dont think its anymore prominent here then there, I just think down south there is still a stigma towards the whole color thing in general.

ETA: I missed a few words

Message edited 1/5/2008 12:43:47 AM.

Re: Touchy subject on Politics... do I dare do it? YES Obama vs Clinton

Re: Touchy subject on Politics... do I dare do it? YES Obama vs Clinton

I don't think either is going to win in the end - because we are talking black or woman president.
Personally, I think this country is ready for either, but neither of them.
Hillary is too flippy-floppy...she changes with the wind and has nothing that she really stands for except the medical care issue.
Obama is too inexperienced. I like the fact that he seems true to his beliefs, but I'm not sure he would have done as well as he did in Iowa if it weren't for Oprah backing him. I think she changed the wave more than anything.

I'm not sure who I want to be president at this point...I think if I had to vote today - I would vote for Obama. I'm just not sure the rest of the country agrees with me.

Re: Touchy subject on Politics... do I dare do it? YES Obama vs Clinton

Re: Touchy subject on Politics... do I dare do it? YES Obama vs Clinton

Re: Touchy subject on Politics... do I dare do it? YES Obama vs Clinton

Let me also add, as a 20-something now residing in the "Bible Belt"...

I think one of the largest problems we have, and will continue to have, is that young people affiliate with the party that their parents do, just because their parents say it's the right thing to do.

I'm surrounded by young people here in NC who call themselves "die-hard Republicans" and all of them are Bush supporters as well. What makes me raging mad about this is that they support him for one reason, and one reason only: He stands for God (I could go into how GW has risen to the top based on the ignorance of this tenet, but I will refrain because I could be here all day)...

As one of the other posters said, I think the biggest obstacle we have to overcome is the large percentage of the population who WILL vote Republican, simply because they're uninformed.

And, to those of you who ARE well-informed and choose to vote Republican, I simply say: I'm sorry if anything in this post has offended you!

Re: Touchy subject on Politics... do I dare do it? YES Obama vs Clinton

Posted by smdl

Posted by Goldi0218

Regarding the OP's choices, I'd hate to pick a candidate on the idea of one being black or one being a female. I would also hate to vote on the idea of the "lesser of two evils". Id prefer not to vote at all. I cannot vote for someone I do not believe in plain and simple. Sometimes, it isnt lack of education or apathy - its disbelief in the candidates. As much as I am honored to have the right to vote, I have the right not to.

As the OP, I would NEVER pick a candidate on the color or gender. I was asking people thoughts on the fact that if either one of them were to be elected President they would both be either the 1st black man President or the 1st Female President.

The OP did not say what my political opinion was, if I was Democrat, Republican or from any other party. Who you think is the "best" candidate is NOT the topic of this thread. Well.... was not at the time I posted it.

Re: Touchy subject on Politics... do I dare do it? YES Obama vs Clinton

Posted by MrsRivera

Let me also add, as a 20-something now residing in the "Bible Belt"...

I think one of the largest problems we have, and will continue to have, is that young people affiliate with the party that their parents do, just because their parents say it's the right thing to do.

I'm surrounded by young people here in NC who call themselves "die-hard Republicans" and all of them are Bush supporters as well. What makes me raging mad about this is that they support him for one reason, and one reason only: He stands for God (I could go into how GW has risen to the top based on the ignorance of this tenet, but I will refrain because I could be here all day)...

As one of the other posters said, I think the biggest obstacle we have to overcome is the large percentage of the population who WILL vote Republican, simply because they're uninformed.

And, to those of you who ARE well-informed and choose to vote Republican, I simply say: I'm sorry if anything in this post has offended you!

Re: Touchy subject on Politics... do I dare do it? YES Obama vs Clinton

Re: Touchy subject on Politics... do I dare do it? YES Obama vs Clinton

Posted by MrsRivera

Let me also add, as a 20-something now residing in the "Bible Belt"...

I think one of the largest problems we have, and will continue to have, is that young people affiliate with the party that their parents do, just because their parents say it's the right thing to do.

I'm surrounded by young people here in NC who call themselves "die-hard Republicans" and all of them are Bush supporters as well. What makes me raging mad about this is that they support him for one reason, and one reason only: He stands for God (I could go into how GW has risen to the top based on the ignorance of this tenet, but I will refrain because I could be here all day)...

As one of the other posters said, I think the biggest obstacle we have to overcome is the large percentage of the population who WILL vote Republican, simply because they're uninformed.

And, to those of you who ARE well-informed and choose to vote Republican, I simply say: I'm sorry if anything in this post has offended you!

Re: Touchy subject on Politics... do I dare do it? YES Obama vs Clinton

Posted by neenie

Posted by MrsRivera

Let me also add, as a 20-something now residing in the "Bible Belt"...

I think one of the largest problems we have, and will continue to have, is that young people affiliate with the party that their parents do, just because their parents say it's the right thing to do.

I'm surrounded by young people here in NC who call themselves "die-hard Republicans" and all of them are Bush supporters as well. What makes me raging mad about this is that they support him for one reason, and one reason only: He stands for God (I could go into how GW has risen to the top based on the ignorance of this tenet, but I will refrain because I could be here all day)...

As one of the other posters said, I think the biggest obstacle we have to overcome is the large percentage of the population who WILL vote Republican, simply because they're uninformed.

And, to those of you who ARE well-informed and choose to vote Republican, I simply say: I'm sorry if anything in this post has offended you!

See- i do completely agree with you, but i also think that it will work both ways- i think that (the 'die-hard') democrats (similar to the republicans that you mentioned), too, will vote for WHOEVER the democratic candidate is, regardless of their political platform, just to spite Bush. They can be completely uninformed, but because they equate all republicans with Bush, there will be the same ignorance on both sides.