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Re: ok.. Palin is pro-life...
Posted by KellyFG
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ha...there IS a way to get that much juice on a dress and not be anywhere near the vayjay  
no need for abortions when you can just get hummer!
That reminds me of that great insult from back in the day
"you're such a jackazz, your mother should have swallowed you"
I'm starting a new policital platform
"pro-hummer"
 I wonder how many future presidents are swimming in my stomach
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Re: ok.. Palin is pro-life...
Posted by KellyFG
Posted by Ophelia
ha...there IS a way to get that much juice on a dress and not be anywhere near the vayjay
no need for abortions when you can just get hummer!
That reminds me of that great insult from back in the day
"you're such a jackazz, your mother should have swallowed you"
I'm starting a new policital platform
"pro-hummer"
you have my vote!
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Re: ok.. Palin is pro-life...
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Re: ok.. Palin is pro-life...
I am not really sure how people compare the two...
I mean I am 100% against killing animals for sport. I think that is sick.
However I eat meat. I eat fish. I eat things that once lived...but I don't view that as changing my pro-life stance.
I think the life of an unborn child is VERY different from that of an animal. I do not equate the two.
I also do not think someone who is anti-abortion needs to be anti death penalty. A person who has killed or committed a disgusting crime to warrant the death penalty is someone who has had the chance to live, yet consciously made a horrible choice.
I guess I may fit a diff category if "pro life" means both. I guess I am anti-abortion?? I don't know really. But i do think people can be all about protecting the unborn but sentencing guilty criminals to death!
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| Posted 9/3/08 12:21 PM |
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Re: ok.. Palin is pro-life...
Does anyone see the irony/humor in having another VP that is a hunter? I hope there isn't another Cheney incident where she shoots someone...
But in all seriousness, while it seems hypocritical, some people do believe that human life is more important than animal life. Now if she were in Peta, then she would be a hypocrite. But I think this just means that she values human life more than animal life.
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Re: ok.. Palin is pro-life...
Posted by maybebaby
I am not really sure how people compare the two...
I mean I am 100% against killing animals for sport. I think that is sick.
However I eat meat. I eat fish. I eat things that once lived...but I don't view that as changing my pro-life stance.
I think the life of an unborn child is VERY different from that of an animal. I do not equate the two.
I also do not think someone who is anti-abortion needs to be anti death penalty. A person who has killed or committed a disgusting crime to warrant the death penalty is someone who has had the chance to live, yet consciously made a horrible choice.
I guess I may fit a diff category if "pro life" means both. I guess I am anti-abortion?? I don't know really. But i do think people can be all about protecting the unborn but sentencing guilty criminals to death!
ITA -- and I'm pro-choice and against the death penalty. 
FWIW, I also believe it's possible to be both pro-choice *and* think abortion is wrong... meaning, you can think abortion is wrong, but not think that the government has a right to ban it.
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Re: ok.. Palin is pro-life...
DH & I are both pro-choice, as for hunting, trophy hunting to me is absolutely 100% wrong, DH is a hunter, but in the 8 years we're together he hasn't caught much, and what he does definitely gets consumed by him or his family (he gives away any excess meat when he knows the two of us won't eat all of it).......I know DH is responsible when he hunts b/c he won't just kill anything that crosses his path, if you're a responsible hunter, it really isn't much different than buying meat at the supermarket.
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Re: ok.. Palin is pro-life...
The most commonly used definition of pro-life is in reference to being opposed to abortion and supportive of fetal rights. If this is her position, she wouldn't be hypercritical. Also, she is a big fan of mooseburgers so it's possible that she hunts for more then sport.
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Re: ok.. Palin is pro-life...
Posted by WhatNow
I don't see any similarity between an unborn child and an animal...
Having an abortion is not quite the same as eating a steak.
I agree. One has nothing to do with the other. I don't see the PETA people on the steps of the abortion clinics protesting.
And Cap. Punishment - I am 100% for it. I don't think the appeals process should be ablet o be dragged out for decades either so when it actually comes down to it, the defense attorney can please the case that the criminal has "changed".
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Re: ok.. Palin is pro-life...
Posted by shamrock124
The most commonly used definition of pro-life is in reference to being opposed to abortion and supportive of fetal rights. If this is her position, she wouldn't be hypercritical. Also, she is a big fan of mooseburgers so it's possible that she hunts for more then sport.
just b/c it's commonly used, doesn't mean it's applied correctly.
as I sit, saying your a PRO LIFE should emcompass, if nothing else, ALL human life. supporting capital punishment is not holding sacred all human life. It's hypocritical to ME, IMO to call yourself that when clearly you are picking and choosing who's life you want to cherish and who's you feel is expendable.
and saying that she eats moose so it's ok that she hunts other animals for sport is like saying it's ok to decapitate pigeons in Central Park b/c you eat chicken. I mean, it's for sport, no?
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Re: ok.. Palin is pro-life...
I am pro-choie but personally against abortions. I would never go hunting - I just would not be able to stomach it.
Do I think she is being hypocritical, not really, no maatter how you slice it a human baby and a wolf are not the same thing.
That being said, I actually think hunting is more humane than the ways in which WE (out here in the cities and burbs) get our meat. The treatment given to cows and chickens that are raised solely for the production of food is atrocious as I am sure you all know. Even when you buy meat labeled as "free range" it often means that they are given a little plot of land to roam on once a day - it is not a regulated term by the FDA. Those animals lives are horrible are their deaths are equally horrible.
Unless one is a vegan (as I know Liza is) or a vegetarian then what we are consuming is far more horrific than if we had hunted for it.
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Re: ok.. Palin is pro-life...
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by shamrock124
The most commonly used definition of pro-life is in reference to being opposed to abortion and supportive of fetal rights. If this is her position, she wouldn't be hypercritical. Also, she is a big fan of mooseburgers so it's possible that she hunts for more then sport.
just b/c it's commonly used, doesn't mean it's applied correctly.
as I sit, saying your a PRO LIFE should emcompass, if nothing else, ALL human life. supporting capital punishment is not holding sacred all human life.
and saying that she eats moose so it's ok that she hunts other animals for sport is like saying it's ok to decapitate pigeons in Central Park b/c you eat chicken. I mean, it's for sport, no?
Palin has not, as far as I have seen it, been all that unclear on what her views are regarding abortion, capital punishment, and hunting. The fact that she uses the word pro-life (as many other politicians do) to refer to her stance on fetal rights and abortion does not, to me, make her a hypocrite. Most politicians who refer to themselves as "pro-life" are referring to their stance on abortion. I think most people understand that. If she was saying that pro-life to her means that she is against capital punishment, against hunting, and against abortion and then goes out hunting and vetoes a law that would ban the death penalty, THEN I would consider her a hypocrite. Clearly the term "pro-life" means different things to different people. However, I don't really think Palin has been entirely unclear on what it means to her. If you feel she's misusing the term, that's fine -- but then so are dozens of other conservative and liberal politicians.
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Re: ok.. Palin is pro-life...
Posted by Kara
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by shamrock124
The most commonly used definition of pro-life is in reference to being opposed to abortion and supportive of fetal rights. If this is her position, she wouldn't be hypercritical. Also, she is a big fan of mooseburgers so it's possible that she hunts for more then sport.
just b/c it's commonly used, doesn't mean it's applied correctly.
as I sit, saying your a PRO LIFE should emcompass, if nothing else, ALL human life. supporting capital punishment is not holding sacred all human life.
and saying that she eats moose so it's ok that she hunts other animals for sport is like saying it's ok to decapitate pigeons in Central Park b/c you eat chicken. I mean, it's for sport, no?
Palin has not, as far as I have seen it, been all that unclear on what her views are regarding abortion, capital punishment, and hunting. The fact that she uses the word pro-life (as many other politicians do) to refer to her stance on fetal rights and abortion does not, to me, make her a hypocrite. Most politicians who refer to themselves as "pro-life" are referring to their stance on abortion. I think most people understand that. If she was saying that pro-life to her means that she is against capital punishment, against hunting, and against abortion and then goes out hunting and vetoes a law that would ban the death penalty, THEN I would consider her a hypocrite. Clearly the term "pro-life" means different things to different people. However, I don't really think Palin has been entirely unclear on what it means to her. If you feel she's misusing the term, that's fine -- but then so are dozens of other conservative and liberal politicians.
Thank you, Kara. That is the point I was trying to get across.
As far as her hunting, I don't know enough about it or her personal preferences to know whether or not she's just doing it for the "thrill of it."
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Re: ok.. Palin is pro-life...
Additionally, I don't think the definition of "pro-life" is so clear, anyway.
Mirriam Webster defines it as "against abortion" http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pro-life
Dictionary.com defines it as "opposed to legalized abortion; right to life." http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pro-life
The Free Dictionary.com defines it as "Advocating full legal protection of human embryos or fetuses, especially by opposing legalized abortion." http://www.thefreedictionary.com/pro-life
And I'm sure there are plenty of sources defining it differently as well. (I will tell you that I did not find any in my search, but I certainly don't deny that they exist. To be honest, I was expecting to get different - or at least multiple - definitiions of the term, but didn't...) I just think that Palin and other politicians have been pretty clear by what they mean when they say they are "pro-life."
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Re: ok.. Palin is pro-life...
Posted by Kara
the topic is directed at her by Liza...but I DO take exception to ANYONE that labels themself "pro life" and then goes out and kills ANYTHING just for shits and giggles.
you dont' have to think it makes anyone a hypocrite..I DO...that's why I put those IMO letters there.
and as for Palin's clarity on issues
Abortion
Palin is Pro-life and a prominent member of Feminists for Life[2].
Capital punishment
Though Alaska has no current death penalty statute, Palin has declared herself in favor of capital punishment. She has stated that: "If the legislature passed a death penalty law, I would sign it. We have a right to know that someone who rapes and murders a child or kills an innocent person in a drive by shooting will never be able to do that again."[18]
Gun rights
Palin is a life-time member of the National Rifle Association, and is popular among gun rights activists. Sandra Froman, a member of the NRA Board of Directors, described McCain's selection of Palin as "outstanding".[19] An avid hunter, Palin is a strong proponent of the Second Amendment, and supports gun-safety education for children.[20]
I won't even get into the link between drive by shootings and the proliferation of guns in this country
maybe she should start looking at abortions as a form of pre emptive capital punishment, since there is so much evidence between upbringing and violent criminal behavior....
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Re: ok.. Palin is pro-life...
Can you please remove the quotes code from your post... That's your language - not posted by me.
ETY typo.
ETS -- I love how I messed up writing "ETF typo"
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Re: ok.. Palin is pro-life...
Posted by lipglossjunky73
I also can't get past the thought she named her son trig after trigger....
noooooo.... THAT's where that wierd name comes from?
that's horrifying 
OK, I'm a typical east coast moderate-liberal meat-eater. I agree with others that enjoying hunting and being 'right to life' is a contradiction in some regards... however to me, in other regards, with some politicians, it isn't. It's a personality type. Both seem to be rather domineering IMO (they will take charge of the animals or people and force them to submit to their will)
(this is very different than individuals who are right-to-life and lead their personal lives according to their beliefs and morals.)
I think this woman is totally messed up. She lacks ethics, really. Her few political stands are rather destructive (anti-environmental, pro-gun/hunting), and frankly her personal life seems a bit messed up as well (naming an innocent baby Trig??? That whole scandal about abusing her power and inappropriately firing her sibbling's ex-spouse)
I hate to say it, I also am rather  about the fact that her teen was so uneducated with birthcontrol and proper safe behavior that she got pregnant and is going to have a shotgun wedding soon. (not to mention that her mom apparently was in a similar situation when she was young).
combine that with her complete lack of any tangiable experience, and you have a VP candidate that rivals quale. 
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Re: ok.. Palin is pro-life...
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I also can't get past the thought she named her son trig after trigger....
Actually, Trig is a Scandinavian name that means Faithful. His middle name is Paxson (sp?) which is after an area in Alaska that she has always loved.
love it so much she wants to drill?
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Re: ok.. Palin is pro-life...
Posted by lipglossjunky73
I also can't get past the thought she named her son trig after trigger....
Here is the info on where the baby got the name..apparently it's a family name.
Originally posted April 18th: Although not due until May 18th, the governor of Alaska, Sarah Palin, gave birth to her fifth child today, Friday, April 18th, at 6:30 am. Trig Paxson Van Palin weighed in at 6 lbs, 2 oz when he was born at Mat-Su Regional Medical Center. Trig is a Norse word meaning "true" and "brave victory." The name is in honor of his great uncle, a Bristol Bay fisherman, while the name Paxson comes from the well-known snowmobiling area in Alaska, which Sarah and husband Todd Palin love.
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Re: ok.. Palin is pro-life...
Posted by lipglossjunky73
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Posted by lipglossjunky73
I also can't get past the thought she named her son trig after trigger....
Actually, Trig is a Scandinavian name that means Faithful. His middle name is Paxson (sp?) which is after an area in Alaska that she has always loved.
love it so much she wants to drill?
There are many native Alaskans that are FOR drilling - my friend who lived in Alaska for a few years told me this.
While i find hunting disgusting, I dont think huting a wolf and aborting a human fetus is the same thing...
my friend went to college in rural PA - her roomate was from the area - the public schools have off for the first day of hunting season. There are many people in the country that love hunting. Not many of us can relate, bc we dont live in an area that supports it.
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Re: ok.. Palin is pro-life...
Posted by IrishLass
Posted by lipglossjunky73
I also can't get past the thought she named her son trig after trigger....
Here is the info on where the baby got the name..apparently it's a family name.
Originally posted April 18th: Although not due until May 18th, the governor of Alaska, Sarah Palin, gave birth to her fifth child today, Friday, April 18th, at 6:30 am. Trig Paxson Van Palin weighed in at 6 lbs, 2 oz when he was born at Mat-Su Regional Medical Center. Trig is a Norse word meaning "true" and "brave victory." The name is in honor of his great uncle, a Bristol Bay fisherman, while the name Paxson comes from the well-known snowmobiling area in Alaska, which Sarah and husband Todd Palin love.
OMG, thank God that is the name origin So she's at least not loony enough to name her baby after a trigger.....
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Re: ok.. Palin is pro-life...
Posted by wannabemom
I think this woman is totally messed up. She lacks ethics, really. Her few political stands are rather destructive (anti-environmental, pro-gun/hunting), and frankly her personal life seems a bit messed up as well (naming an innocent baby Trig??? That whole scandal about abusing her power and inappropriately firing her sibbling's ex-spouse)
I hate to say it, I also am rather about the fact that her teen was so uneducated with birthcontrol and proper safe behavior that she got pregnant and is going to have a shotgun wedding soon. (not to mention that her mom apparently was in a similar situation when she was young).
combine that with her complete lack of any tangiable experience, and you have a VP candidate that rivals quale.
She comes from a rural part of a state where hunting is a way of life. So, yes, she's a member of the NRA and she hunts. That doesn't mean these are "destructive". Let's just say the meat that is under the saran wrap at the supermarket that is being eaten doesn't get there in a nice way, KWIM. What is more destructive?
And as far as her parenting skills...well, we don't know what she instructed her daughter to do or not do, if the daughter followed her advice, or the birth control failed, as it does. She did however raise an 18 year old son that volunteered for the army knowing he'd end up in the big sand box. I don't know him, but that's a very mature decision for an 18 year old.
But I'm not voting for her to be on the cover of Parenting Magazine.
Vote for her or against her based on her politics, on whether she would make a great leader. Don't vote on the bits of news you are receiving about her parentling. No one has ever questioned the parenting skills of Bill CLinton when he took over the White House or Barack Obama. And George Bush (2nd one)'s twins made mistakes, drinking underage,etc...he was re-elected. It has nothing to do with what kind of President he is.
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Re: ok.. Palin is pro-life...
Posted by HelenZ
DH & I are both pro-choice, as for hunting, trophy hunting to me is absolutely 100% wrong, DH is a hunter, but in the 8 years we're together he hasn't caught much, and what he does definitely gets consumed by him or his family (he gives away any excess meat when he knows the two of us won't eat all of it).......I know DH is responsible when he hunts b/c he won't just kill anything that crosses his path, if you're a responsible hunter, it really isn't much different than buying meat at the supermarket.
I feel the same way. DH and his family have been hunting for as long as I have been with him (8 yrs). It took a long time or me to get used to it but they eat what they catch and don't just shoot for fun.
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Re: ok.. Palin is pro-life...
Posted by wannabemom
Posted by lipglossjunky73
I also can't get past the thought she named her son trig after trigger....
I hate to say it, I also am rather about the fact that her teen was so uneducated with birthcontrol and proper safe behavior that she got pregnant and is going to have a shotgun wedding soon. (not to mention that her mom apparently was in a similar situation when she was young).
I am sorry but that is a really unfair statement seeing as the majority of high schoolers are sexually active and I am sure you would be hard pressed to find a teenager that does not know what a condom is or that unprotected sex can lead to pregnancy.
In addition, I personally, although I was in my late 20s and married, became pregnant while on the birth control pill. So it can and does happen. I would never presume to know what happened in someone else's life.
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Re: ok.. Palin is pro-life...
Posted by lipglossjunky73
Posted by DandN
Posted by lipglossjunky73
I also can't get past the thought she named her son trig after trigger....
Actually, Trig is a Scandinavian name that means Faithful. His middle name is Paxson (sp?) which is after an area in Alaska that she has always loved.
love it so much she wants to drill?
See, now this is where you loose me.
I USED to be a card carrying, PETA member, left wing uber liberal. I GET where you are coming from Liza, I do. I was a vegan for two years. My SIL is one. I rarely eat meat now, but LOVE a good steak once in a while. I have been where you are. I know that vegans honor and respect all life, human or animal.
However, to suggest that someone named their kid after a gun trigger... well that is just plain ignorant, ill informed, and using that ignorance to spread lies about someone that YOU DO NOT KNOW AT ALL. It is a family name. Google it.
While you are at it, Google how many people in Alaska WANT us to drill...I'll give you a hint...it is A LOT, like 75%-80% of the people who live there. She was voted in on the "energy platform" in Alaska, she has a 90% approval rating. Say what you want about people who live there, but 90% of people WHO LIVE THERE EVERYDAY cannot be wrong. I doubt all 90% are uneducated too.
Just my two cents...if you want more people to see your side of things, PLEASE do not go the route of innuendos and ignorant comments. Investigate HOW people actually feel about drilling WHO LIVE THERE and research the name before posting that she named him after a gun trigger. Liza, you are a sweetheart and I love your posts on parenting, but come on, it is really far reaching to say she named her son after a gun trigger b/c she likes to hunt.
I still love ya anyway. 
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