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shiv
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Re: ok.. Palin is pro-life...
Posted by Ophelia
but she won't let me kill my UNBORN baby.
you said it not me 
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dandr10199
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Re: ok.. Palin is pro-life...
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Posted by lipglossjunky73
I also can't get past the thought she named her son trig after trigger....
I hate to say it, I also am rather  about the fact that her teen was so uneducated with birthcontrol and proper safe behavior that she got pregnant and is going to have a shotgun wedding soon. (not to mention that her mom apparently was in a similar situation when she was young).
I am sorry but that is a really unfair statement seeing as the majority of high schoolers are sexually active and I am sure you would be hard pressed to find a teenager that does not know what a condom is or that unprotected sex can lead to pregnancy.
In addition, I personally, although I was in my late 20s and married, became pregnant while on the birth control pill. So it can and does happen. I would never presume to know what happened in someone else's life.
ITA.
She could have been on birth control or a condom could have broke.
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| Posted 9/3/08 1:48 PM |
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Ophelia
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Re: ok.. Palin is pro-life...
Posted by dandr10199
I am sorry but that is a really unfair statement seeing as the majority of high schoolers are sexually active and I am sure you would be hard pressed to find a teenager that does not know what a condom is or that unprotected sex can lead to pregnancy.
In addition, I personally, although I was in my late 20s and married, became pregnant while on the birth control pill. So it can and does happen. I would never presume to know what happened in someone else's life.
ITA.
She could have been on birth control or a condom could have broke.
I agree with you ladies to about guessing what happened, but given Palins stance on sexual education in the home, it is not beyond the reach of logical thought that there could be a connection between a lack of education and her daughters pregnancy.
really, ANYTHING could have caused that girl to get preggooo...she could have been on the pill and triple baggin for all we know...
it happens. she made her choice, and now she has to deal. God bless them!   
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| Posted 9/3/08 1:53 PM |
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Re: ok.. Palin is pro-life...
What it comes down to is I have beef (har har) with mortals deciding certain lives have more importance than others cuz god said. That includes animals. Yes, I value Cailens life more than a wolf's but mama wolf would say otherwise. And another mom will value her childs life more than Cailens. Who is right? Who is wrong? I have the gun and the chopper and the law that says its ok.... That makes me a little more right and somehow, somewhere god is agreeing?
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| Posted 9/3/08 1:55 PM |
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shiv
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Re: ok.. Palin is pro-life...
Posted by Ophelia
a "pro life" person should be against the death of anything...and should be for any advancements of LIFE (ie stem cell research)
Jesus wouldn't put ANYONE to death...unborn baby, roaming wolf, or convicted serial killer alike.
THAT is pro life.
anything else is picking and choosing...and pardon the pun...shoots down the validity of the argument. 
pro-life is a stand against abortion, that's it. it has nothing to do with the other stances. You can be Republican, but be pro-choise, ironic yes, but it's what you believe. Alot of people pick and choose what they believe in.
Now, pro-life to me means that I am against abortion.
Stem-cell research is not supported by the catholic church because they believe it represents life of an innocent human. I'm pretty sure think McCain actually support stem cell research? I'm against it.
McCain is actually more liberal than Palin on abortion issues, see this link;
McCain on abortion
I'm also against the death penalty and hunting for sport, except in the cases where there is an over run of a particular animal and their presence is threating the lives of humans. But there are many pro-lifers that don't have the same views as me on these issues, it doesn't mean they're not pro-life.
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| Posted 9/3/08 1:57 PM |
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dandr10199
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Re: ok.. Palin is pro-life...
Posted by lipglossjunky73
What it comes down to is I have beef (har har) with mortals deciding certain lives have more importance than others cuz god said. That includes animals. Yes, I value Cailens life more than a wolf's but mama wolf would say otherwise. And another mom will value her childs life more than Cailens. Who is right? Who is wrong? I have the gun and the chopper and the law that says its ok.... That makes me a little more right and somehow, somewhere god is agreeing?
Liza I understand your Beef (heehee)
No one is saying if you have a gun, you have a right to kill people.
Here is my post from before:
Posted by dandr10199
Posted by lipglossjunky73
Posted by DandN
Posted by lipglossjunky73
I also can't get past the thought she named her son trig after trigger....
Actually, Trig is a Scandinavian name that means Faithful. His middle name is Paxson (sp?) which is after an area in Alaska that she has always loved.
love it so much she wants to drill?
See, now this is where you loose me.
I USED to be a card carrying, PETA member, left wing uber liberal. I GET where you are coming from Liza, I do. I was a vegan for two years. My SIL is one. I rarely eat meat now, but LOVE a good steak once in a while. I have been where you are. I know that vegans honor and respect all life, human or animal.
However, to suggest that someone named their kid after a gun trigger... well that is just plain ignorant, ill informed, and using that ignorance to spread lies about someone that YOU DO NOT KNOW AT ALL. It is a family name. Google it.
While you are at it, Google how many people in Alaska WANT us to drill...I'll give you a hint...it is A LOT, like 75%-80% of the people who live there. She was voted in on the "energy platform" in Alaska, she has a 90% approval rating. Say what you want about people who live there, but 90% of people WHO LIVE THERE EVERYDAY cannot be wrong. I doubt all 90% are uneducated too.
Just my two cents...if you want more people to see your side of things, PLEASE do not go the route of innuendos and ignorant comments. Investigate HOW people actually feel about drilling WHO LIVE THERE and research the name before posting that she named him after a gun trigger. Liza, you are a sweetheart and I love your posts on parenting, but come on, it is really far reaching to say she named her son after a gun trigger b/c she likes to hunt.
I still love ya anyway.
I understand you are so passionate about this topic; BUT please admit that assuming she named her son after a gun trigger was a little loopy.
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| Posted 9/3/08 1:59 PM |
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shiv
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Re: ok.. Palin is pro-life...
Posted by KellyFG
I COMPLETELY DISAGREE with the "pro-life" stance, but its a radical belief & in my experience anyone that believes that radically in anything is a hypocrite.
However in this country we do have "the right" to think what we want.
i wouldn't call pro-life a radical belief, but it's your opinion
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| Posted 9/3/08 2:03 PM |
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lucyloo
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Re: ok.. Palin is pro-life...
I really don't think one has anything to do with the other.
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GioiaMia
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Re: ok.. Palin is pro-life...
I have a question and I don't feel like starting another thread. How important is the abortion debate to everyone? Obviously, I know it is a VERY important issue regardless of your stance but are you willing to vote or NOT vote based on this issue alone?
For example I am pretty pro life, but if I liked a candidate for other reasons I would no problem voting for a pro choice candidate it just isn't my number one priority - I am more concerned about economics, foreign policy etc. Everyone seems SO focused on Palin's pro life stance, it made me curious.
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Ophelia
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Re: ok.. Palin is pro-life...
Posted by shiv
Posted by Ophelia
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McCain is actually more liberal than Palin on abortion issues, see this link;
McCain on abortion
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thank you love. I knew this.
I kicked around the idea of voting for mccain before palin came on board.
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| Posted 9/3/08 2:09 PM |
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dandr10199
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Re: ok.. Palin is pro-life...
Posted by Tilde
I have a question and I don't feel like starting another thread. How important is the abortion debate to everyone? Obviously, I know it is a VERY important issue regardless of your stance but are you willing to vote or NOT vote based on this issue alone?
What am I voting for?
What is important to me in this order:
1) a candidates feelings on abortion (anti-abortion aka pro-life)
2) an ACTUAL economic plan. A plan not just talking about a plan.
3) Their voting record in senate. What they ACTUALLY and FACTUALLY voted for aor against.
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| Posted 9/3/08 2:09 PM |
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Ophelia
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Re: ok.. Palin is pro-life...
Posted by Tilde
I have a question and I don't feel like starting another thread. How important is the abortion debate to everyone? Obviously, I know it is a VERY important issue regardless of your stance but are you willing to vote or NOT vote based on this issue alone?
For example I am pretty pro life, but if I liked a candidate for other reasons I would no problem voting for a pro choice candidate it just isn't my number one priority - I am more concerned about economics, foreign policy etc. Everyone seems SO focused on Palin's pro life stance, it made me curious.
too bad...this is a good topic.
abortion stance
economy
war
energy
healthcare.
I am not really for universal healthcare, but I am petrified that Roe v. Wade will be further eroded or overturned. so abortion trumps healthcare.
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IrishLasss334
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Re: ok.. Palin is pro-life...
Posted by Ophelia
too bad...this is a good topic.
abortion stance
economy
war
energy
healthcare.
I am not really for universal healthcare, but I am petrified that Roe v. Wade will be further eroded or overturned. so abortion trumps healthcare.
agree and I think war & energy are linked.
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lucyloo
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Re: ok.. Palin is pro-life...
Posted by Tilde
I have a question and I don't feel like starting another thread. How important is the abortion debate to everyone? Obviously, I know it is a VERY important issue regardless of your stance but are you willing to vote or NOT vote based on this issue alone?
For example I am pretty pro life, but if I liked a candidate for other reasons I would no problem voting for a pro choice candidate it just isn't my number one priority - I am more concerned about economics, foreign policy etc. Everyone seems SO focused on Palin's pro life stance, it made me curious.
For me, it is at the top of my list. I won't vote for someone who is Pro-Life.
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JenniferEver
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Re: ok.. Palin is pro-life...
Abortion stance is not a big election issue for me. Personally I am against abortion and I feel it is wrong. However, putitng myself in the situation of a lot of women with tough decisions to make, I can't see myself telling them what to do. Maybe I should feel that if it's morally wrong, if it's murder it should be outlawed, but I am not sure, and I am not going to vote to take away someone else's choice. However I would be HUGELY in favor of anti-abortion programs that would 1)educate people about contraception and give access to condoms, the pill, etc 2) Guide girls who are pregnant and provide support for them and give them alternatives to abortion such as adoption, or programs to help them raise the baby and stay in school, etc.
I don't think anyone is "pro-abortion." I think the most strong Pro-Choice advocate would say it would be better if there were fewer unplanned pregnancies so women would not have to make these difficult choices, which may or may not (according to your views) potentially involve ending a life.
What "pro-life' means to me, personally (not in order)
1. Against abortion, but not militantly. I would rather educate, as above
2. Against war, especially the use of military force when it is not absolutely necessary
3. Against the death penalty
4. For welfare, medicaid, head start and other programs that help people in need.
5. For human rights around the world (including gay rights)
6. Against cruelty to animals.
7. For keeping our planet clean so that it can support all of the life, and maintaining endangered species, the rainforests, etc.
For me it's part of a broader picture.
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pinkandblue
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Re: ok.. Palin is pro-life...
Posted by dita
Posted by Tilde
I have a question and I don't feel like starting another thread. How important is the abortion debate to everyone? Obviously, I know it is a VERY important issue regardless of your stance but are you willing to vote or NOT vote based on this issue alone?
For example I am pretty pro life, but if I liked a candidate for other reasons I would no problem voting for a pro choice candidate it just isn't my number one priority - I am more concerned about economics, foreign policy etc. Everyone seems SO focused on Palin's pro life stance, it made me curious.
For me, it is at the top of my list. I won't vote for someone who is Pro-Life.
me either....that, to me is a very scary notion (the gov't telling me what I can and cannot do with my body)
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MarisaK
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Re: ok.. Palin is pro-life...
Posted by Tilde
I have a question and I don't feel like starting another thread. How important is the abortion debate to everyone? Obviously, I know it is a VERY important issue regardless of your stance but are you willing to vote or NOT vote based on this issue alone?
For example I am pretty pro life, but if I liked a candidate for other reasons I would no problem voting for a pro choice candidate it just isn't my number one priority - I am more concerned about economics, foreign policy etc. Everyone seems SO focused on Palin's pro life stance, it made me curious.
Personally, it's on the very top of my list - I'd NEVER EVER vote for a candidate who was pro-life
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Re: ok.. Palin is pro-life...
Posted by shiv
Posted by KellyFG
I COMPLETELY DISAGREE with the "pro-life" stance, but its a radical belief & in my experience anyone that believes that radically in anything is a hypocrite.
However in this country we do have "the right" to think what we want.
i wouldn't call pro-life a radical belief, but it's your opinion
To clarify I think Palin's "pro-life" stance is radical because she does not believe in abortion even in the case of incest/rape of a minor. That's way too radical for me.
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pinkandblue
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Re: ok.. Palin is pro-life...
Posted by KellyFG
Posted by shiv
Posted by KellyFG
I COMPLETELY DISAGREE with the "pro-life" stance, but its a radical belief & in my experience anyone that believes that radically in anything is a hypocrite.
However in this country we do have "the right" to think what we want.
i wouldn't call pro-life a radical belief, but it's your opinion
To clarify I think Palin's "pro-life" stance is radical because she does not believe in abortion even in the case of incest/rape of a minor. That's way too radical for me.
yes, I would definitely call that radical
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| Posted 9/3/08 2:28 PM |
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shiv
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Re: ok.. Palin is pro-life...
Posted by KellyFG
Posted by shiv
Posted by KellyFG
I COMPLETELY DISAGREE with the "pro-life" stance, but its a radical belief & in my experience anyone that believes that radically in anything is a hypocrite.
However in this country we do have "the right" to think what we want.
i wouldn't call pro-life a radical belief, but it's your opinion
To clarify I think Palin's "pro-life" stance is radical because she does not believe in abortion even in the case of incest/rape of a minor. That's way too radical for me.
i hear ya, thanks for clarifying 
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Ophelia
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Re: ok.. Palin is pro-life...
Posted by KellyFG
Posted by shiv
Posted by KellyFG
I COMPLETELY DISAGREE with the "pro-life" stance, but its a radical belief & in my experience anyone that believes that radically in anything is a hypocrite.
However in this country we do have "the right" to think what we want.
i wouldn't call pro-life a radical belief, but it's your opinion
To clarify I think Palin's "pro-life" stance is radical because she does not believe in abortion even in the case of incest/rape of a minor. That's way too radical for me.
at the very least though, she IS in favor of it when the life of the mother is at stake.
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shiv
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Re: ok.. Palin is pro-life...
Posted by Tilde
I have a question and I don't feel like starting another thread. How important is the abortion debate to everyone? Obviously, I know it is a VERY important issue regardless of your stance but are you willing to vote or NOT vote based on this issue alone?
For example I am pretty pro life, but if I liked a candidate for other reasons I would no problem voting for a pro choice candidate it just isn't my number one priority - I am more concerned about economics, foreign policy etc. Everyone seems SO focused on Palin's pro life stance, it made me curious.
top of my list- I would never vote for someone who is pro-choice.
i'm glad to see alot of people consider this a top item of their vote- whether they are for or against it. I thought only the pro-lifers considered it a must in their votes.
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GioiaMia
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Re: ok.. Palin is pro-life...
Posted by shiv
Posted by Tilde
I have a question and I don't feel like starting another thread. How important is the abortion debate to everyone? Obviously, I know it is a VERY important issue regardless of your stance but are you willing to vote or NOT vote based on this issue alone?
For example I am pretty pro life, but if I liked a candidate for other reasons I would no problem voting for a pro choice candidate it just isn't my number one priority - I am more concerned about economics, foreign policy etc. Everyone seems SO focused on Palin's pro life stance, it made me curious.
top of my list- I would never vote for someone who is pro-choice.
i'm glad to see alot of people consider this a top item of their vote- whether they are for or against it. I thought only the pro-lifers considered it a must in their votes.
Wow, thanks to everyone for answering. For me PERSONALLY I feel that there are so many issues that are important that I never considered the abortion debate the MOST important, but I see that I am in the minority and I am surprised. So interesting!
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Re: ok.. Palin is pro-life...
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by Tilde
 smart@ss.
well i guess i should go find THAT facebook group and sign up. . . .
seriously though, the term pro life is and has always been misleading.
I mean, look at the "pro lifers" that kill abortion doctors and blow up clinics.
they are more concerned about being "right" than they are about preserving life.
a "pro life" person should be against the death of anything...and should be for any advancements of LIFE (ie stem cell research)
Jesus wouldn't put ANYONE to death...unborn baby, roaming wolf, or convicted serial killer alike.
THAT is pro life.
anything else is picking and choosing...and pardon the pun...shoots down the validity of the argument.
I love your posts!!
Talk about "things that make ya go hmmmm" 
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Re: ok.. Palin is pro-life...
Posted by lipglossjunky73
What it comes down to is I have beef (har har) with mortals deciding certain lives have more importance than others cuz god said. That includes animals. Yes, I value Cailens life more than a wolf's but mama wolf would say otherwise. And another mom will value her childs life more than Cailens. Who is right? Who is wrong? I have the gun and the chopper and the law that says its ok.... That makes me a little more right and somehow, somewhere god is agreeing?
Did you forget you were the nonjudgemental vegan?
Posted by lipglossjunky73
I'm a nonjudgemental Vegan. I actually think people who eat what they hunt can be ecologically sound. However, hunting for sport, like aerial wolf hunting, is killing for fun. And I doubt god would approve of that. All life should be honored and respected If the being is innocent...
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