Re: What are your thoughts on Gay Marriage??

1000% for it!

Re: What are your thoughts on Gay Marriage??

Posted by KittyTheStray

Posted by donegal419

i am NOT for it, but agree with the PP that I am for civil unions, benefits beneficiary, medical, etc. etc. they deserve those basic rights.... but

I am not for it because marriage is between a MAN and a WOMAN and it has been since the dawn of time. the unity of marriage really at the end of the day, is to procreate and have a family. Same sex couples cannot do this naturally. Also, I believe in the religious aspect of marriage, which again presupposes that the union is between a man and wife...yes, i know that gets into the separation of church and state, which is why this is such an issue, but this is how i feel.

flame away....

No flaming, that is generally the same reason I have heard in the past from others.

I have a serious question. You brought up 3 points. Man & Woman, Children and religion. My Dh and I are not having children and are atheists, should we have not been permitted to marry, only to have a union? Probably should be a spinoff Feel free to FM me, I am just curious I do not get offended and feel everyone should be entitled to their opinion!!

My question may even be ignorant because I am unsure of the difference between a union vs a marriage, so you can tell me if my question is silly.

Re: What are your thoughts on Gay Marriage??

Posted by MrsRbk

Posted by donegal419

Posted by smdl

I am not for it. I am for civil union but not marriage, benefits beneficiary and medical, etc...

And don't ask me why. That's my opinion!

i am NOT for it, but agree with the PP that I am for civil unions, benefits beneficiary, medical, etc. etc. they deserve those basic rights.... but

I am not for it because marriage is between a MAN and a WOMAN and it has been since the dawn of time. the unity of marriage really at the end of the day, is to procreate and have a family. Same sex couples cannot do this naturally. Also, I believe in the religious aspect of marriage, which again presupposes that the union is between a man and wife...yes, i know that gets into the separation of church and state, which is why this is such an issue, but this is how i feel.

flame away....

Just to play devils advocate, what about couples that marry with no intention of ever having children? If the reality of marriage is to procreate, how is this different? Should their marriage not be accepted by whatever religion they belong to?

ETS: I'm not flaming you in any way shape or form, I totally respect your opinion.

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Re: What are your thoughts on Gay Marriage??

Posted by donegal419

Posted by KittyTheStray


No flaming, that is generally the same reason I have heard in the past from others.

I have a serious question. You brought up 3 points. Man & Woman, Children and religion. My Dh and I are not having children and are atheists, should we have not been permitted to marry, only to have a union? Probably should be a spinoff Feel free to FM me, I am just curious I do not get offended and feel everyone should be entitled to their opinion!!

My question may even be ignorant because I am unsure of the difference between a union vs a marriage, so you can tell me if my question is silly.

you bring up A GREAT POINT.... and honestly, i don't know the answer. You're right... this could be a spin-off! But i think the term marriage has become very very broad and so where do you draw the line? are non-religious marriages unions? those that don't want children just unions? i don't know... but i do believe that the point of marriage long ago was to have a family before we had the technology and medicine to make that choice or not and therefore, would be reserved between a man and a woman. the religious aspect is something else entirely, but i think most major religions (particularly the Judeo-Christian traditions) view marriage in the religious sense. In fact, one of the vows in a Catholic ceremony is to promise to raise your child Catholic should you be blessed with children and to promise to love one another like Christ loved his Church...

I am babbling... you stumped me!!!

i never thought of it that way... thanks for your opinion.

Re: What are your thoughts on Gay Marriage??

Posted by donegal419

Posted by KittyTheStray


No flaming, that is generally the same reason I have heard in the past from others.

I have a serious question. You brought up 3 points. Man & Woman, Children and religion. My Dh and I are not having children and are atheists, should we have not been permitted to marry, only to have a union? Probably should be a spinoff Feel free to FM me, I am just curious I do not get offended and feel everyone should be entitled to their opinion!!

My question may even be ignorant because I am unsure of the difference between a union vs a marriage, so you can tell me if my question is silly.

you bring up A GREAT POINT.... and honestly, i don't know the answer. You're right... this could be a spin-off! But i think the term marriage has become very very broad and so where do you draw the line? are non-religious marriages unions? those that don't want children just unions? i don't know... but i do believe that the point of marriage long ago was to have a family before we had the technology and medicine to make that choice or not and therefore, would be reserved between a man and a woman. the religious aspect is something else entirely, but i think most major religions (particularly the Judeo-Christian traditions) view marriage in the religious sense. In fact, one of the vows in a Catholic ceremony is to promise to raise your child Catholic should you be blessed with children and to promise to love one another like Christ loved his Church...

I am babbling... you stumped me!!!

i never thought of it that way... thanks for your opinion.

Re: What are your thoughts on Gay Marriage??

Re: What are your thoughts on Gay Marriage??

All for it!! I wish my gay aunt could marry her partner of 15 years

Re: What are your thoughts on Gay Marriage??

I understand the view that marriage has always been a union between a man and a woman for procreation, and that there are religious reasons underlying that point as well. However, I feel that in *reality,* that definition of marriage has been seriously denigrated. Many people marry and divorce these days like they are simply changing their socks, many couples are choosing not to have children, and not everyone abides by religious beliefs. I know there are so many gay couples out there who take their love and commitment to each other way more seriously than heterosexual couples, so why shouldn't they be entitled to the same benefits?

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Again! Why do we have to justify why we don't agree with it?

So here it is.

This is MY opinion and it's not meant to hurt anyone's feeling. This is how "I" feel.

Marriage is for woman and man.

I want my son to know what "nature" is. There are no 2 males elephants, no 2 female dogs, etc.. that's just not nature to me. My thoughts are: how am I going to explain to my son that someone has 2 dads in school? How is my son going to understand what is natural and what is not?

And yes, I KNOW this is not something you choose.

This is a "condenced" version on how I feel.


So why accepting gay living together, having benefits, etc... but not marriage. Because I think we need to draw the line somewhere.

I am done with explaining.



ETA: please don't assume I don't know gay people. I do and I have gay friends.

Message edited 6/10/2008 8:38:59 PM.

Re: What are your thoughts on Gay Marriage??

Whatever makes ya happy

Re: What are your thoughts on Gay Marriage??

Posted by KittyTheStray

Posted by donegal419

i am NOT for it, but agree with the PP that I am for civil unions, benefits beneficiary, medical, etc. etc. they deserve those basic rights.... but

I am not for it because marriage is between a MAN and a WOMAN and it has been since the dawn of time. the unity of marriage really at the end of the day, is to procreate and have a family. Same sex couples cannot do this naturally. Also, I believe in the religious aspect of marriage, which again presupposes that the union is between a man and wife...yes, i know that gets into the separation of church and state, which is why this is such an issue, but this is how i feel.

flame away....

No flaming, that is generally the same reason I have heard in the past from others.

I have a serious question. You brought up 3 points. Man & Woman, Children and religion. My Dh and I are not having children and are atheists, should we have not been permitted to marry, only to have a union? Probably should be a spinoff Feel free to FM me, I am just curious I do not get offended and feel everyone should be entitled to their opinion!!

My question may even be ignorant because I am unsure of the difference between a union vs a marriage, so you can tell me if my question is silly.

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Re: What are your thoughts on Gay Marriage??

Re: What are your thoughts on Gay Marriage??

Posted by KittyTheStray

Posted by smdl

Again! Why do we have to justify why we don't agree with it?

You absolutely don't have to justify it! I think it comes down to this:

When someone is in the minority on something the 'majority' is just really CURIOUS about why it is you feel that way... Just like I am in the minority on not wanting to have kids and people ask me about it all the time. I don't have to justify why we're not having kids but I understand that it's so different from what's 'normal' that people are curious about WHY. I don't mind explaining it to people, because I know it's so different than how they think, and I also like to dispel some of the reasons they just assume for me (like that I am not having kids because I am worried about my figure yes, someone actually thought that was why)

So that's why I think it is, from someone who is often in the minority!

Re: What are your thoughts on Gay Marriage??

Posted by KittyTheStray

Posted by smdl

Again! Why do we have to justify why we don't agree with it?

You absolutely don't have to justify it! I think it comes down to this:

When someone is in the minority on something the 'majority' is just really CURIOUS about why it is you feel that way... Just like I am in the minority on not wanting to have kids and people ask me about it all the time. I don't have to justify why we're not having kids but I understand that it's so different from what's 'normal' that people are curious about WHY. I don't mind explaining it to people, because I know it's so different than how they think, and I also like to dispel some of the reasons they just assume for me (like that I am not having kids because I am worried about my figure yes, someone actually thought that was why)

So that's why I think it is, from someone who is often in the minority!

Re: What are your thoughts on Gay Marriage??

Posted by Kara

This was my question, too. Is my marriage less valid in your eyes b/c we cannot or will not have children? Not flaming, honestly curious. (And you won't offend me -- my marriage isn't threatened by other people's opinions... I'm just honestly curious.)

Re: What are your thoughts on Gay Marriage??

Posted by donegal419

Posted by Kara

This was my question, too. Is my marriage less valid in your eyes b/c we cannot or will not have children? Not flaming, honestly curious. (And you won't offend me -- my marriage isn't threatened by other people's opinions... I'm just honestly curious.)

No, I am not saying that. I am just saying that hundreds and hundreds of years ago, the point of getting married was to have children. there are countless couples that struggle with infertility or for other reasons choose not to have children. i never said that i believe that their marriages are not valid... i am just saying that procreating was the point of marriage in the past, and in many religions today, it still is.

i odn't know why people think i am judging them or their marriages. i am not ... i am just stating what i thought was an obvious reason for marriage in the past and for some, now.

Re: What are your thoughts on Gay Marriage??

Posted by Kara

Posted by smdl



I want my son to know what "nature" is. There are no 2 males elephants, no 2 female dogs, etc.. that's just not nature to me. My thoughts are: how am I going to explain to my son that someone has 2 dads in school? How is my son going to understand what is natural and what is not?

I'm NOT flaming you at all. You are just as entitled to your opinion as I am to mine.

However, homosexuality DOES present itself in nature apart from human beings, though...

1500 species practice homosexuality

Again, not flaming, just correcting a common misconception.

Re: What are your thoughts on Gay Marriage??

I say live and let live

it has no effect on my life if 2 gay people marry!

Re: What are your thoughts on Gay Marriage??

Posted by smdl

Posted by KittyTheStray

Posted by smdl

Again! Why do we have to justify why we don't agree with it?

You absolutely don't have to justify it! I think it comes down to this:

When someone is in the minority on something the 'majority' is just really CURIOUS about why it is you feel that way... Just like I am in the minority on not wanting to have kids and people ask me about it all the time. I don't have to justify why we're not having kids but I understand that it's so different from what's 'normal' that people are curious about WHY. I don't mind explaining it to people, because I know it's so different than how they think, and I also like to dispel some of the reasons they just assume for me (like that I am not having kids because I am worried about my figure yes, someone actually thought that was why)

So that's why I think it is, from someone who is often in the minority!

The thing is. Some people ask you why because they want to tell you that you are wrong and showel THEIR thoughts into you throat. Like telling me how wrong I am is going to change my mind.

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Posted by Kara

Thank you for explaining. I appreciate it.

I didn't assume you were judging other people's marriages -- I was just honestly curious to understand the reasoning. I appreciate you being open and explaining your position. Even if we disagree, that doesn't mean I don't respect your opinion. Thanks for clarifying that for me.

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Re: What are your thoughts on Gay Marriage??

Posted by lipglossjunky73

Posted by smdl

Posted by KittyTheStray

Posted by smdl

Again! Why do we have to justify why we don't agree with it?

You absolutely don't have to justify it! I think it comes down to this:

When someone is in the minority on something the 'majority' is just really CURIOUS about why it is you feel that way... Just like I am in the minority on not wanting to have kids and people ask me about it all the time. I don't have to justify why we're not having kids but I understand that it's so different from what's 'normal' that people are curious about WHY. I don't mind explaining it to people, because I know it's so different than how they think, and I also like to dispel some of the reasons they just assume for me (like that I am not having kids because I am worried about my figure yes, someone actually thought that was why)

So that's why I think it is, from someone who is often in the minority!

The thing is. Some people ask you why because they want to tell you that you are wrong and showel THEIR thoughts into you throat. Like telling me how wrong I am is going to change my mind.

Sophie - you know I like you a lot and value your opinions immensely and think you are very intelligent, but I just wanted to ask a few things - you don't have to answer, but if anyone on the same wavelength wishes to, then please go ahead....
First off, EJ will be exposed to homosexual couples. Its inevitable. whether they are marred or not, you will most likely hear the question, "Mommy - why are those men kissing???" at some point in the near future. Whether they are married or not, you will have to explain homosexuality in some way. Won't you be explaining it by saying they love each other, and sometimes men/ women love each other the way mommy and daddy love each other? OR, how will you explain it (I don't want to put words in your mouth...)

Not supporting gay marriage will not make gays go away or out of the eyes of our children, know what I mean? Why not at least make it all "even" - people who love each other seriously enough that they wish to make it a commitment can do so legally?