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Re: What are your thoughts on Gay Marriage??
Posted by donegal419
Posted by Kara
Thank you for explaining. I appreciate it.
I didn't assume you were judging other people's marriages -- I was just honestly curious to understand the reasoning. I appreciate you being open and explaining your position. Even if we disagree, that doesn't mean I don't respect your opinion. Thanks for clarifying that for me. 
Thanks... and sorry that the last part of my post sounded a little bit cross.
No worries. I understand where the comment came from and why you said that. It didn't come off as angry to me or anything. It made sense to me -- I just didn't want you to think that I thought you were sitting in judgment of me. I certainly didn't. I was just hoping to understand the point better, which I do now.
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Re: What are your thoughts on Gay Marriage??
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Again! Why do we have to justify why we don't agree with it?
You absolutely don't have to justify it! I think it comes down to this:
When someone is in the minority on something the 'majority' is just really CURIOUS about why it is you feel that way... Just like I am in the minority on not wanting to have kids and people ask me about it all the time. I don't have to justify why we're not having kids but I understand that it's so different from what's 'normal' that people are curious about WHY. I don't mind explaining it to people, because I know it's so different than how they think, and I also like to dispel some of the reasons they just assume for me (like that I am not having kids because I am worried about my figure  yes, someone actually thought that was why)
So that's why I think it is, from someone who is often in the minority!
The thing is. Some people ask you why because they want to tell you that you are wrong and showel THEIR thoughts into you throat. Like telling me how wrong I am is going to change my mind.
Sophie - you know I like you a lot and value your opinions immensely and think you are very intelligent, but I just wanted to ask a few things - you don't have to answer, but if anyone on the same wavelength wishes to, then please go ahead....
First off, EJ will be exposed to homosexual couples. Its inevitable. whether they are marred or not, you will most likely hear the question, "Mommy - why are those men kissing???" at some point in the near future. Whether they are married or not, you will have to explain homosexuality in some way. Won't you be explaining it by saying they love each other, and sometimes men/ women love each other the way mommy and daddy love each other? OR, how will you explain it (I don't want to put words in your mouth...)
Not supporting gay marriage will not make gays go away or out of the eyes of our children, know what I mean? Why not at least make it all "even" - people who love each other seriously enough that they wish to make it a commitment can do so legally?
Liza, you are right. I know EJ will be exposed to homosexually without a doubt. I can't create this imaginary life for him where everything falls into place. I will have to explain to him in a "nice" way why. I will not teach him hate because this is not what DH and I believe in.
Yet, I still don't have to agree to gay people getting married. Because I still think a normal union is between a man and a woman. That's what it comes down to.
I do not doubt for a minute that you will explain it in a beautiful way for him!
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Re: What are your thoughts on Gay Marriage??
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Posted by smdl
Posted by KittyTheStray
Posted by smdl
Again! Why do we have to justify why we don't agree with it?
You absolutely don't have to justify it! I think it comes down to this:
When someone is in the minority on something the 'majority' is just really CURIOUS about why it is you feel that way... Just like I am in the minority on not wanting to have kids and people ask me about it all the time. I don't have to justify why we're not having kids but I understand that it's so different from what's 'normal' that people are curious about WHY. I don't mind explaining it to people, because I know it's so different than how they think, and I also like to dispel some of the reasons they just assume for me (like that I am not having kids because I am worried about my figure yes, someone actually thought that was why)
So that's why I think it is, from someone who is often in the minority!
The thing is. Some people ask you why because they want to tell you that you are wrong and showel THEIR thoughts into you throat. Like telling me how wrong I am is going to change my mind.
Sophie - you know I like you a lot and value your opinions immensely and think you are very intelligent, but I just wanted to ask a few things - you don't have to answer, but if anyone on the same wavelength wishes to, then please go ahead....
First off, EJ will be exposed to homosexual couples. Its inevitable. whether they are marred or not, you will most likely hear the question, "Mommy - why are those men kissing???" at some point in the near future. Whether they are married or not, you will have to explain homosexuality in some way. Won't you be explaining it by saying they love each other, and sometimes men/ women love each other the way mommy and daddy love each other? OR, how will you explain it (I don't want to put words in your mouth...)
Not supporting gay marriage will not make gays go away or out of the eyes of our children, know what I mean? Why not at least make it all "even" - people who love each other seriously enough that they wish to make it a commitment can do so legally?
Liza, you are right. I know EJ will be exposed to homosexually without a doubt. I can't create this imaginary life for him where everything falls into place. I will have to explain to him in a "nice" way why. I will not teach him hate because this is not what DH and I believe in.
Yet, I still don't have to agree to gay people getting married. Because I still think a normal union is between a man and a woman. That's what it comes down to.
I do not doubt for a minute that you will explain it in a beautiful way for him!
FTR, I don't doubt for a minute gay people do love their partner.
This why I think they do deserve the right to have medical coverage and being beneficiary in case of death.
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conigs25
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Re: What are your thoughts on Gay Marriage??
IMO i think it is absolutey RIDICULOUS that this is illegal!!!!
Anyone should be able to marry whom ever theyd like. Our govt needs to just accept it and let these people be HAPPY!!!
remember those words, "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of HAPPINESS"??? Guess they forgot
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Re: What are your thoughts on Gay Marriage??
Posted by JennZ
Rock on. Why should ANYTHING be different because who you choose to love. They should get their partners benefits also. I am for it. 
same here....live and let live
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Re: What are your thoughts on Gay Marriage??
Posted by smdl
Posted by lipglossjunky73
Posted by smdl
Posted by lipglossjunky73
Posted by smdl
Posted by KittyTheStray
Posted by smdl
Again! Why do we have to justify why we don't agree with it?
You absolutely don't have to justify it! I think it comes down to this:
When someone is in the minority on something the 'majority' is just really CURIOUS about why it is you feel that way... Just like I am in the minority on not wanting to have kids and people ask me about it all the time. I don't have to justify why we're not having kids but I understand that it's so different from what's 'normal' that people are curious about WHY. I don't mind explaining it to people, because I know it's so different than how they think, and I also like to dispel some of the reasons they just assume for me (like that I am not having kids because I am worried about my figure yes, someone actually thought that was why)
So that's why I think it is, from someone who is often in the minority!
The thing is. Some people ask you why because they want to tell you that you are wrong and showel THEIR thoughts into you throat. Like telling me how wrong I am is going to change my mind.
Sophie - you know I like you a lot and value your opinions immensely and think you are very intelligent, but I just wanted to ask a few things - you don't have to answer, but if anyone on the same wavelength wishes to, then please go ahead....
First off, EJ will be exposed to homosexual couples. Its inevitable. whether they are marred or not, you will most likely hear the question, "Mommy - why are those men kissing???" at some point in the near future. Whether they are married or not, you will have to explain homosexuality in some way. Won't you be explaining it by saying they love each other, and sometimes men/ women love each other the way mommy and daddy love each other? OR, how will you explain it (I don't want to put words in your mouth...)
Not supporting gay marriage will not make gays go away or out of the eyes of our children, know what I mean? Why not at least make it all "even" - people who love each other seriously enough that they wish to make it a commitment can do so legally?
Liza, you are right. I know EJ will be exposed to homosexually without a doubt. I can't create this imaginary life for him where everything falls into place. I will have to explain to him in a "nice" way why. I will not teach him hate because this is not what DH and I believe in.
Yet, I still don't have to agree to gay people getting married. Because I still think a normal union is between a man and a woman. That's what it comes down to.
I do not doubt for a minute that you will explain it in a beautiful way for him!
FTR, I don't doubt for a minute gay people do love their partner.
This why I think they do deserve the right to have medical coverage and being beneficiary in case of death.
No, I totally got what you were saying with that - its when you mentioned DS, I think in today's time, homosexuality is so much out there that children are exposed to it before you are even ready to discuss it....
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conigs25
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Re: What are your thoughts on Gay Marriage??
Posted by donegal419
Posted by smdl
I am not for it. I am for civil union but not marriage, benefits beneficiary and medical, etc...
And don't ask me why. That's my opinion!
i am NOT for it, but agree with the PP that I am for civil unions, benefits beneficiary, medical, etc. etc. they deserve those basic rights.... but
I am not for it because marriage is between a MAN and a WOMAN and it has been since the dawn of time. the unity of marriage really at the end of the day, is to procreate and have a family. Same sex couples cannot do this naturally. Also, I believe in the religious aspect of marriage, which again presupposes that the union is between a man and wife...yes, i know that gets into the separation of church and state, which is why this is such an issue, but this is how i feel.
flame away....
I will not flame bc you are TOTALLY entitled to your opinion. I just want to argue that since you say marriage is for man and woman mainly to procreate, what if a couple (man and woman) decide not to have children, or better yet, CANT have children.... are they not entitled to be married?
***Whoops*** didnt realize this was brought up already. I should have read the whole thing before i posted.
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smdl
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Re: What are your thoughts on Gay Marriage??
Posted by lipglossjunky73
Posted by smdl
FTR, I don't doubt for a minute gay people do love their partner.
This why I think they do deserve the right to have medical coverage and being beneficiary in case of death.
No, I totally got what you were saying with that - its when you mentioned DS, I think in today's time, homosexuality is so much out there that children are exposed to it before you are even ready to discuss it....
If he asks me before I am ready, I will just do like the commercial and shovel some twix in my mouth so I can think of an answer.
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Re: What are your thoughts on Gay Marriage??
I will admit I did not read the entire post.
I am all for it. Who is the government to decide who you are supposed to fall in love with? I have seen more gay loving couples than straight ones!
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conigs25
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Re: What are your thoughts on Gay Marriage??
Posted by smdl
Again! Why do we have to justify why we don't agree with it?
So here it is.
This is MY opinion and it's not meant to hurt anyone's feeling. This is how "I" feel.
Marriage is for woman and man.
I want my son to know what "nature" is. There are no 2 males elephants, no 2 female dogs, etc.. that's just not nature to me. My thoughts are: how am I going to explain to my son that someone has 2 dads in school? How is my son going to understand what is natural and what is not?
But elephants and dogs dont get married. Yes NATURE makes it that a man and woman need to"come together" to make more humans, but marriage, IMO, is something different. IMO, marriage is about LOVE. Love with or without the intent to have children.
Sorry if my reply sounds rude or nasty. Not how im saying it at all! You should say and express your feelings whenever you wish
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Re: What are your thoughts on Gay Marriage??
Posted by smdl
Posted by lipglossjunky73
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FTR, I don't doubt for a minute gay people do love their partner.
This why I think they do deserve the right to have medical coverage and being beneficiary in case of death.
No, I totally got what you were saying with that - its when you mentioned DS, I think in today's time, homosexuality is so much out there that children are exposed to it before you are even ready to discuss it....
If he asks me before I am ready, I will just do like the commercial and shovel some twix in my mouth so I can think of an answer.
OMFG, I just fell in love with you all over again....
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Re: What are your thoughts on Gay Marriage??
Posted by conigs25
Posted by smdl
Again! Why do we have to justify why we don't agree with it?
So here it is.
This is MY opinion and it's not meant to hurt anyone's feeling. This is how "I" feel.
Marriage is for woman and man.
I want my son to know what "nature" is. There are no 2 males elephants, no 2 female dogs, etc.. that's just not nature to me. My thoughts are: how am I going to explain to my son that someone has 2 dads in school? How is my son going to understand what is natural and what is not?
But elephants and dogs dont get married. Yes NATURE makes it that a man and woman need to"come together" to make more humans, but marriage, IMO, is something different. IMO, marriage is about LOVE. Love with or without the intent to have children.
Sorry if my reply sounds rude or nasty. Not how im saying it at all! You should say and express your feelings whenever you wish
I never said that marriage was to have children. Someone else did.
I already posted my opinion above.
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Kara
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Re: What are your thoughts on Gay Marriage??
Now I'm hungry.  
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Re: What are your thoughts on Gay Marriage??
Posted by smdl
I do think we should have a "third" status in our legal system. Single, Married, "partnership". Not just for gay people but for also for men and women who don't want to get married yet want the benefits, death beneficiary, medical coverage.
ITA with this. I feel badly for people who have been together for years and one dies and the other isnt entitled to anything just bc they werent "married"
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Re: What are your thoughts on Gay Marriage??
Never EVER understood why anyone would be against it unless their parents were and passed those beliefs on, which is how many of us form our own opinions unfortunatly.
I have heard the "relgious debate" and its a bunch of bull.
No WHERE in the bible does it mention gay's or marriage and anyone knowledgable about the Catholic church will admit that many "rules" were made by the Roman Catholics to control their people, not follow Gods word.
So I do always wonder why people are against it....
But Like others have said, I dont judge those who have reasons for their beliefs, While I do think they are WRONG...in turn they think I'm wrong and I can live with that.
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conigs25
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Re: What are your thoughts on Gay Marriage??
Posted by smdl
Posted by conigs25
Posted by smdl
Again! Why do we have to justify why we don't agree with it?
So here it is.
This is MY opinion and it's not meant to hurt anyone's feeling. This is how "I" feel.
Marriage is for woman and man.
I want my son to know what "nature" is. There are no 2 males elephants, no 2 female dogs, etc.. that's just not nature to me. My thoughts are: how am I going to explain to my son that someone has 2 dads in school? How is my son going to understand what is natural and what is not?
But elephants and dogs dont get married. Yes NATURE makes it that a man and woman need to"come together" to make more humans, but marriage, IMO, is something different. IMO, marriage is about LOVE. Love with or without the intent to have children.
Sorry if my reply sounds rude or nasty. Not how im saying it at all! You should say and express your feelings whenever you wish
I never said that marriage was to have children. Someone else did.
I already posted my opinion above.
Im sorry. I thought i could reply. I didnt realize that you didnt want a response.
My bad!
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Re: What are your thoughts on Gay Marriage??
Posted by mpetretti
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I am all for it!!IMAGE
I agree!
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smdl
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Re: What are your thoughts on Gay Marriage??
Posted by conigs25
Posted by smdl
Posted by conigs25
Posted by smdl
Again! Why do we have to justify why we don't agree with it?
So here it is.
This is MY opinion and it's not meant to hurt anyone's feeling. This is how "I" feel.
Marriage is for woman and man.
I want my son to know what "nature" is. There are no 2 males elephants, no 2 female dogs, etc.. that's just not nature to me. My thoughts are: how am I going to explain to my son that someone has 2 dads in school? How is my son going to understand what is natural and what is not?
But elephants and dogs dont get married. Yes NATURE makes it that a man and woman need to"come together" to make more humans, but marriage, IMO, is something different. IMO, marriage is about LOVE. Love with or without the intent to have children.
Sorry if my reply sounds rude or nasty. Not how im saying it at all! You should say and express your feelings whenever you wish
I never said that marriage was to have children. Someone else did.
I already posted my opinion above.
Im sorry. I thought i could reply. I didnt realize that you didnt want a response.
My bad!
Of course you can reply but I have already said why I did not believe in it. I don't know what else to say.
People are going to keep telling me why I should change my mind.
But like I said.
I believe a union is between a man and a woman. Not just to have kids.
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Re: What are your thoughts on Gay Marriage??
Message edited 6/11/2008 8:32:54 AM.
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Juliet
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Re: What are your thoughts on Gay Marriage??
I am all for Gay Marriage. I know quite a few couples who have been together for over 30 years. I would love to see their commitment recognized.
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Re: What are your thoughts on Gay Marriage??
Posted by donegal419
the unity of marriage really at the end of the day, is to procreate and have a family. Same sex couples cannot do this naturally.
So then can a sterile man or infertile woman get married? Seriously, what is the difference between them or a same sex couple. Neither can have children.
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Re: What are your thoughts on Gay Marriage??
I am 100% for gay marriage. You can't help who you love.
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dm24angel
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Re: What are your thoughts on Gay Marriage??
Posted by Songwriter76
Posted by donegal419
the unity of marriage really at the end of the day, is to procreate and have a family. Same sex couples cannot do this naturally.
So then can a sterile man or infertile woman get married? Seriously, what is the difference between them or a same sex couple. Neither can have children.
Where did you hear, read or come to believe that the unity of marriage is about children? Totally not being snarky...just curious where that thought would come from?
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smdl
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Re: What are your thoughts on Gay Marriage??
Posted by dm24angel
Posted by Songwriter76
Posted by donegal419
the unity of marriage really at the end of the day, is to procreate and have a family. Same sex couples cannot do this naturally.
So then can a sterile man or infertile woman get married? Seriously, what is the difference between them or a same sex couple. Neither can have children.
Where did you hear, read or come to believe that the unity of marriage is about children? Totally not being snarky...just curious where that thought would come from?
According to the Catholic church (how I was raised!), you were to only have sex after being married and the whole purpose of sex is having children not pleasure.
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Arieschick29
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Re: What are your thoughts on Gay Marriage??
Absolutely for it! I'm so tired of the same old reasons for why they shouldnt!
It amazes me that I live in a country so close minded in so many ways - women's right, racial diversity, gay marriage etc.
I hope my future children will be able to live in a more tolerable, open-minded world!!!
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