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MandJZ
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Re: Obamacare YIKES!!!
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Posted by DiamondGirl
So someone give me a better solution.
This is AMERICA every citizen should have health care.
Believe me most companies can afford it. It is an expense that will just need to be factored in.
My father is a small business owner and has always provided his employees with health care. It is the decent thing to do.
this is america. a place where people have to work for what they have, not have it handed to them. I do not agree with the above statement at all.
we are all guaranteed the pursuit of happiness, not happiness. it is not the government's job to make us wealthy or poor or to DEMAND we have anything - healthcare included.
since the inception of the country, people have struggled. that is what makes the country what it is. and yet, people still want to be here, people WANT to be Americans. They come here with the money in their pockets and clothes on their backs and hope for the best. This country will fail (oh wait, it is) without that very basic foundation.
Yes, we're also all guaranteed LIFE. Healthcare falls into that category, not the category of happiness.
i don't agree with that. healthcare and life are not synonymous. people have survived for hundreds of generations without their healthcare provided. its a fact of life. nothing in life is fair. the only way for everyone to have healthcare is for you and I to pay for it.
I'm more than willing to pay for it because for all I know, I could be the one who needs it paid for in the future. Sure I'm covered now but god forbid my DH or I lose our jobs and we get sick. I'm more than thrilled to know that god forbid that happens, we'll be covered.
and for those who cannot afford it but are forced to find a way? if it doesn't hurt your pocket, god bless but for many, bills like this break many individuals and business'. the individual should not be responsible for the whole.
No, the whole should be responsible for every individual.
wow, no better way to break a country.
EVERY OTHER Western democracy operates under this principal. And Canada's economy is fine. England is doing okay. Israel is also managing. This country is broken already. The true definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome. Something obviously needs to change.
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Re: Obamacare YIKES!!!
Posted by eroxgirl
I just have to point out that we already pay for people who don't work to have health care. This argument kills me because it makes NO SENSE since it shows NO UNDERSTANDING of what really goes on currently.
two wrongs don't make it right and do not fix the problem. this is why our hospitals are failing. this is why medicine is starving today.
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maymama
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Re: Obamacare YIKES!!!
Posted by MandJZ
Posted by maymama
Posted by MandJZ
Posted by maymama
Posted by ElizaRags35
Posted by maymama
Posted by MandJZ
Posted by maymama
Posted by DiamondGirl
So someone give me a better solution.
This is AMERICA every citizen should have health care.
Believe me most companies can afford it. It is an expense that will just need to be factored in.
My father is a small business owner and has always provided his employees with health care. It is the decent thing to do.
this is america. a place where people have to work for what they have, not have it handed to them. I do not agree with the above statement at all.
we are all guaranteed the pursuit of happiness, not happiness. it is not the government's job to make us wealthy or poor or to DEMAND we have anything - healthcare included.
since the inception of the country, people have struggled. that is what makes the country what it is. and yet, people still want to be here, people WANT to be Americans. They come here with the money in their pockets and clothes on their backs and hope for the best. This country will fail (oh wait, it is) without that very basic foundation.
Yes, we're also all guaranteed LIFE. Healthcare falls into that category, not the category of happiness.
i don't agree with that. healthcare and life are not synonymous. people have survived for hundreds of generations without their healthcare provided. its a fact of life. nothing in life is fair. the only way for everyone to have healthcare is for you and I to pay for it.
I'm more than willing to pay for it because for all I know, I could be the one who needs it paid for in the future. Sure I'm covered now but god forbid my DH or I lose our jobs and we get sick. I'm more than thrilled to know that god forbid that happens, we'll be covered.
and for those who cannot afford it but are forced to find a way? if it doesn't hurt your pocket, god bless but for many, bills like this break many individuals and business'. the individual should not be responsible for the whole.
No, the whole should be responsible for every individual.
wow, no better way to break a country.
EVERY OTHER Western democracy operates under this principal. And Canada's economy is fine. England is doing okay. Israel is also managing. This country is broken already. The true definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome. Something obviously needs to change.
but nothing has improved! things have not stayed the same!
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Onemoretime
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Re: Obamacare YIKES!!!
Posted by maymama
Posted by BriBri2u
Posted by maymama
Posted by DiamondGirl
So someone give me a better solution.
This is AMERICA every citizen should have health care.
Believe me most companies can afford it. It is an expense that will just need to be factored in.
My father is a small business owner and has always provided his employees with health care. It is the decent thing to do.
this is america. a place where people have to work for what they have, not have it handed to them. I do not agree with the above statement at all.
we are all guaranteed the pursuit of happiness, not happiness. it is not the government's job to make us wealthy or poor or to DEMAND we have anything - healthcare included.
since the inception of the country, people have struggled. that is what makes the country what it is. and yet, people still want to be here, people WANT to be Americans. They come here with the money in their pockets and clothes on their backs and hope for the best. This country will fail (oh wait, it is) without that very basic foundation.
umm if you're working then you're not getting it for free...you're doing something.
right - if you are working. if you are not working and collecting aide (or not), I do NOT think it should be guaranteed. who is going to pay for it if you arent working?
I dont want to pay for every unemployed person's healthcare when I can barely afford my own! the "government" isn't paying for anything. WE are paying for it.
Thank you maymomma! My insurance is now 900.00 a month out of our check. This is going to hurt every working person in this country, every one. For everyone to have healthcare, our taxes are going to HAVE to increase. There is no other way, it just hasn't been said yet.
Companies are going to suffer, and consumers will be paying more as well.
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Re: Obamacare YIKES!!!
And because of this broken system where uninsureds go to the ER with every ailment it drives up our taxes. We end up paying for it...enormously. Giving people the chance to go see a doctor instead of going to the ER at 20x the cost will reduce our bill. If they can afford to go see a doctor and get regular healthcare, their health will improve, they won't foreclose on their homes, they won't go broke and have to decide on food or medicine.
If my $500 a year or whatever it will come to saves my neighbors from financial ruin and improves their lives, that's fine with me.
If a CEO of a company wants to make a political statement on the backs of their employees health let them rot in H E L L. Shame on them. I will sleep at night and know that I did the right thing.
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MandJZ
Time for Baby #2!
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Re: Obamacare YIKES!!!
Posted by maymama
Posted by MandJZ
Posted by maymama
Posted by MandJZ
Posted by maymama
Posted by ElizaRags35
Posted by maymama
Posted by MandJZ
Posted by maymama
Posted by DiamondGirl
So someone give me a better solution.
This is AMERICA every citizen should have health care.
Believe me most companies can afford it. It is an expense that will just need to be factored in.
My father is a small business owner and has always provided his employees with health care. It is the decent thing to do.
this is america. a place where people have to work for what they have, not have it handed to them. I do not agree with the above statement at all.
we are all guaranteed the pursuit of happiness, not happiness. it is not the government's job to make us wealthy or poor or to DEMAND we have anything - healthcare included.
since the inception of the country, people have struggled. that is what makes the country what it is. and yet, people still want to be here, people WANT to be Americans. They come here with the money in their pockets and clothes on their backs and hope for the best. This country will fail (oh wait, it is) without that very basic foundation.
Yes, we're also all guaranteed LIFE. Healthcare falls into that category, not the category of happiness.
i don't agree with that. healthcare and life are not synonymous. people have survived for hundreds of generations without their healthcare provided. its a fact of life. nothing in life is fair. the only way for everyone to have healthcare is for you and I to pay for it.
I'm more than willing to pay for it because for all I know, I could be the one who needs it paid for in the future. Sure I'm covered now but god forbid my DH or I lose our jobs and we get sick. I'm more than thrilled to know that god forbid that happens, we'll be covered.
and for those who cannot afford it but are forced to find a way? if it doesn't hurt your pocket, god bless but for many, bills like this break many individuals and business'. the individual should not be responsible for the whole.
No, the whole should be responsible for every individual.
wow, no better way to break a country.
EVERY OTHER Western democracy operates under this principal. And Canada's economy is fine. England is doing okay. Israel is also managing. This country is broken already. The true definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome. Something obviously needs to change.
but nothing has improved! things have not stayed the same!
What are you talking about? Exactly what I said is that things have not improved because we have NOT seen an overhaul or major change in the system. It is currently being implemented - it is going to get better in three seconds.
Saying nothing has improved is saying things HAVE stayed the same!
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maymama
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Re: Obamacare YIKES!!!
Posted by MandJZ
Posted by eroxgirl
I just have to point out that we already pay for people who don't work to have health care. This argument kills me because it makes NO SENSE since it shows NO UNDERSTANDING of what really goes on currently.
And not all people who do work have the option for health care - my mother didn't for FIVE YEARS. She was not less deserving of health care than some CEO. She certainly has worked hard, doing what she needed to do to make ends meet. These are the people who need to have some kind of socialized health care in place. It is unconscionable that WORKING PEOPLE have to suffer without seeing a doctor when permanently unemployed people do not.
And people have not 'survived for hundreds of generations' without healthcare. People have suffered and died young without health care.
Also, when we are afraid to speak up to the corporations and the people in power because they're bigger and have all the money, then we've already lost.
Thank you!
I'm sorry but it just seems there is a serious lack of understanding in general about how taxes/healthcare/etc. work. Also, yes, there are people who abuse the system or are lazy. It happens. But despite the attention they get this is a VERY small minority. The vast majority of poor without healthcare are working poor, or the underemployed. And once again I NEED to reiterate - it is not a handout to someone because YOU will also benefit, as people who make more money (the person next up on the ladder if you will) will also be paying into this to support YOU.
People - we have PUBLIC education. We have SOCIAL SECURITY. These are UNIVERSAL social programs JUST like universal healthcare. These are rights. This country is the only Western democracy that does NOT provide health care for its citizens. Doesn't that tell you something?
are you entitled SS if you do not pay into it?
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Onemoretime
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Re: Obamacare YIKES!!!
Posted by eroxgirl
I just have to point out that we already pay for people who don't work to have health care. This argument kills me because it makes NO SENSE since it shows NO UNDERSTANDING of what really goes on currently.
And not all people who do work have the option for health care - my mother didn't for FIVE YEARS. She was not less deserving of health care than some CEO. She certainly has worked hard, doing what she needed to do to make ends meet. These are the people who need to have some kind of socialized health care in place. It is unconscionable that WORKING PEOPLE have to suffer without seeing a doctor when permanently unemployed people do not.
And people have not 'survived for hundreds of generations' without healthcare. People have suffered and died young without health care.
Also, when we are afraid to speak up to the corporations and the people in power because they're bigger and have all the money, then we've already lost.
The problem is, we can't speak up to corporations. They are providing jobs, which in this economy people are grateful to have.
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MandJZ
Time for Baby #2!
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Re: Obamacare YIKES!!!
Posted by maymama
Posted by MandJZ
Posted by eroxgirl
I just have to point out that we already pay for people who don't work to have health care. This argument kills me because it makes NO SENSE since it shows NO UNDERSTANDING of what really goes on currently.
And not all people who do work have the option for health care - my mother didn't for FIVE YEARS. She was not less deserving of health care than some CEO. She certainly has worked hard, doing what she needed to do to make ends meet. These are the people who need to have some kind of socialized health care in place. It is unconscionable that WORKING PEOPLE have to suffer without seeing a doctor when permanently unemployed people do not.
And people have not 'survived for hundreds of generations' without healthcare. People have suffered and died young without health care.
Also, when we are afraid to speak up to the corporations and the people in power because they're bigger and have all the money, then we've already lost.
Thank you!
I'm sorry but it just seems there is a serious lack of understanding in general about how taxes/healthcare/etc. work. Also, yes, there are people who abuse the system or are lazy. It happens. But despite the attention they get this is a VERY small minority. The vast majority of poor without healthcare are working poor, or the underemployed. And once again I NEED to reiterate - it is not a handout to someone because YOU will also benefit, as people who make more money (the person next up on the ladder if you will) will also be paying into this to support YOU.
People - we have PUBLIC education. We have SOCIAL SECURITY. These are UNIVERSAL social programs JUST like universal healthcare. These are rights. This country is the only Western democracy that does NOT provide health care for its citizens. Doesn't that tell you something?
are you entitled SS if you do not pay into it?
You're entitled to public education if you do not pay taxes.
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maymama
my little loves
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Re: Obamacare YIKES!!!
Posted by MandJZ
Posted by maymama
Posted by MandJZ
Posted by eroxgirl
I just have to point out that we already pay for people who don't work to have health care. This argument kills me because it makes NO SENSE since it shows NO UNDERSTANDING of what really goes on currently.
And not all people who do work have the option for health care - my mother didn't for FIVE YEARS. She was not less deserving of health care than some CEO. She certainly has worked hard, doing what she needed to do to make ends meet. These are the people who need to have some kind of socialized health care in place. It is unconscionable that WORKING PEOPLE have to suffer without seeing a doctor when permanently unemployed people do not.
And people have not 'survived for hundreds of generations' without healthcare. People have suffered and died young without health care.
Also, when we are afraid to speak up to the corporations and the people in power because they're bigger and have all the money, then we've already lost.
Thank you!
I'm sorry but it just seems there is a serious lack of understanding in general about how taxes/healthcare/etc. work. Also, yes, there are people who abuse the system or are lazy. It happens. But despite the attention they get this is a VERY small minority. The vast majority of poor without healthcare are working poor, or the underemployed. And once again I NEED to reiterate - it is not a handout to someone because YOU will also benefit, as people who make more money (the person next up on the ladder if you will) will also be paying into this to support YOU.
People - we have PUBLIC education. We have SOCIAL SECURITY. These are UNIVERSAL social programs JUST like universal healthcare. These are rights. This country is the only Western democracy that does NOT provide health care for its citizens. Doesn't that tell you something?
are you entitled SS if you do not pay into it?
You're entitled to public education if you do not pay taxes.
thanks for answering my question 
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Onemoretime
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Re: Obamacare YIKES!!!
I do agree to a point. How much $$ are these franchise owners really making? Life savings is tied up in the business and they pay huge franchise fees and percentage of their profits back to the franchise. They have to cut somewhere
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JenniferEver
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Re: Obamacare YIKES!!!
We already pay for the uninsured. Emergency rooms are filled with people with no insurance going in to treat a cough, or treating something that could have been prevented or treated much less expensively with primary care. Make sure everyone can afford primary and preventive care should lower the overall cost of care
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| Posted 1/10/13 2:59 PM |
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MandJZ
Time for Baby #2!
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Re: Obamacare YIKES!!!
Posted by maymama
Posted by MandJZ
Posted by maymama
Posted by MandJZ
Posted by eroxgirl
I just have to point out that we already pay for people who don't work to have health care. This argument kills me because it makes NO SENSE since it shows NO UNDERSTANDING of what really goes on currently.
And not all people who do work have the option for health care - my mother didn't for FIVE YEARS. She was not less deserving of health care than some CEO. She certainly has worked hard, doing what she needed to do to make ends meet. These are the people who need to have some kind of socialized health care in place. It is unconscionable that WORKING PEOPLE have to suffer without seeing a doctor when permanently unemployed people do not.
And people have not 'survived for hundreds of generations' without healthcare. People have suffered and died young without health care.
Also, when we are afraid to speak up to the corporations and the people in power because they're bigger and have all the money, then we've already lost.
Thank you!
I'm sorry but it just seems there is a serious lack of understanding in general about how taxes/healthcare/etc. work. Also, yes, there are people who abuse the system or are lazy. It happens. But despite the attention they get this is a VERY small minority. The vast majority of poor without healthcare are working poor, or the underemployed. And once again I NEED to reiterate - it is not a handout to someone because YOU will also benefit, as people who make more money (the person next up on the ladder if you will) will also be paying into this to support YOU.
People - we have PUBLIC education. We have SOCIAL SECURITY. These are UNIVERSAL social programs JUST like universal healthcare. These are rights. This country is the only Western democracy that does NOT provide health care for its citizens. Doesn't that tell you something?
are you entitled SS if you do not pay into it?
You're entitled to public education if you do not pay taxes.
thanks for answering my question
But everyone who works pays social security for everyone else who works. You aren't ONLY paying for yourself.
Do you use roads? Running water? Again, these are things funded through tax dollars. Paying taxes in order to provide things that benefit everyone is actually exactly HOW a country runs effectively.
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JenniferEver
The Disney Lady
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Re: Obamacare YIKES!!!
Posted by maymama
Posted by MandJZ
Posted by maymama
Posted by MandJZ
Posted by eroxgirl
I just have to point out that we already pay for people who don't work to have health care. This argument kills me because it makes NO SENSE since it shows NO UNDERSTANDING of what really goes on currently.
And not all people who do work have the option for health care - my mother didn't for FIVE YEARS. She was not less deserving of health care than some CEO. She certainly has worked hard, doing what she needed to do to make ends meet. These are the people who need to have some kind of socialized health care in place. It is unconscionable that WORKING PEOPLE have to suffer without seeing a doctor when permanently unemployed people do not.
And people have not 'survived for hundreds of generations' without healthcare. People have suffered and died young without health care.
Also, when we are afraid to speak up to the corporations and the people in power because they're bigger and have all the money, then we've already lost.
Thank you!
I'm sorry but it just seems there is a serious lack of understanding in general about how taxes/healthcare/etc. work. Also, yes, there are people who abuse the system or are lazy. It happens. But despite the attention they get this is a VERY small minority. The vast majority of poor without healthcare are working poor, or the underemployed. And once again I NEED to reiterate - it is not a handout to someone because YOU will also benefit, as people who make more money (the person next up on the ladder if you will) will also be paying into this to support YOU.
People - we have PUBLIC education. We have SOCIAL SECURITY. These are UNIVERSAL social programs JUST like universal healthcare. These are rights. This country is the only Western democracy that does NOT provide health care for its citizens. Doesn't that tell you something?
are you entitled SS if you do not pay into it?
You're entitled to public education if you do not pay taxes.
thanks for answering my question
You can, actually, sort of. Someone who is disabled at a young age and doesn't have the minimum number of work credits can still collect benefits. There will also be people who pay in for 50 years and die before they collect at all. That's how these systems work.
That's how ALL health insurance works as well. If you're healthy you pay premiums and you might not use as much healthcare as you paid into, but as you get olfer or if you have a tough year, have surgery, have a baby, you'll get more than what you paid. That's what makes the madnate important. if the young and healthy opt out, then it's just the older people taking. It works better when it's all in.
I would prefer a not for profit single payer system like they have in other countries, or an expansion of medicare
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maymama
my little loves
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Re: Obamacare YIKES!!!
Posted by MandJZ
Posted by maymama
Posted by MandJZ
Posted by maymama
Posted by MandJZ
Posted by eroxgirl
I just have to point out that we already pay for people who don't work to have health care. This argument kills me because it makes NO SENSE since it shows NO UNDERSTANDING of what really goes on currently.
And not all people who do work have the option for health care - my mother didn't for FIVE YEARS. She was not less deserving of health care than some CEO. She certainly has worked hard, doing what she needed to do to make ends meet. These are the people who need to have some kind of socialized health care in place. It is unconscionable that WORKING PEOPLE have to suffer without seeing a doctor when permanently unemployed people do not.
And people have not 'survived for hundreds of generations' without healthcare. People have suffered and died young without health care.
Also, when we are afraid to speak up to the corporations and the people in power because they're bigger and have all the money, then we've already lost.
Thank you!
I'm sorry but it just seems there is a serious lack of understanding in general about how taxes/healthcare/etc. work. Also, yes, there are people who abuse the system or are lazy. It happens. But despite the attention they get this is a VERY small minority. The vast majority of poor without healthcare are working poor, or the underemployed. And once again I NEED to reiterate - it is not a handout to someone because YOU will also benefit, as people who make more money (the person next up on the ladder if you will) will also be paying into this to support YOU.
People - we have PUBLIC education. We have SOCIAL SECURITY. These are UNIVERSAL social programs JUST like universal healthcare. These are rights. This country is the only Western democracy that does NOT provide health care for its citizens. Doesn't that tell you something?
are you entitled SS if you do not pay into it?
You're entitled to public education if you do not pay taxes.
thanks for answering my question
But everyone who works pays social security for everyone else who works. You aren't ONLY paying for yourself.
Do you use roads? Running water? Again, these are things funded through tax dollars. Paying taxes in order to provide things that benefit everyone is actually exactly HOW a country runs effectively.
we are talking about those who do not work. AND those who do not work and do not own property do NOT pay for any of the things listed above yet they utilize them!
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Re: Obamacare YIKES!!!
Posted by MandJZ
No, the whole should be responsible for every individual.
Wow.. just wow.
I had a long reply but realized I'd probably burn to the stake for it. But this sentiment is just.. sad.
I have always known since I was a child that my father worked or my step mother worked FOR our insurance benefits. You get a job to pay for medical (god forbid something happens). I dont know... How silly of them to teach me that there's no free rides in this world.
Apparently there are.
ETA: I owe $375 for last year's medical and will owe at LEAST $500 for this year's medical (outside my premium payments, HRA and FSA) so I can send you my doctors address if you want pick that up.
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MandJZ
Time for Baby #2!
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Re: Obamacare YIKES!!!
Posted by maymama
Posted by MandJZ
Posted by maymama
Posted by MandJZ
Posted by maymama
Posted by MandJZ
Posted by eroxgirl
I just have to point out that we already pay for people who don't work to have health care. This argument kills me because it makes NO SENSE since it shows NO UNDERSTANDING of what really goes on currently.
And not all people who do work have the option for health care - my mother didn't for FIVE YEARS. She was not less deserving of health care than some CEO. She certainly has worked hard, doing what she needed to do to make ends meet. These are the people who need to have some kind of socialized health care in place. It is unconscionable that WORKING PEOPLE have to suffer without seeing a doctor when permanently unemployed people do not.
And people have not 'survived for hundreds of generations' without healthcare. People have suffered and died young without health care.
Also, when we are afraid to speak up to the corporations and the people in power because they're bigger and have all the money, then we've already lost.
Thank you!
I'm sorry but it just seems there is a serious lack of understanding in general about how taxes/healthcare/etc. work. Also, yes, there are people who abuse the system or are lazy. It happens. But despite the attention they get this is a VERY small minority. The vast majority of poor without healthcare are working poor, or the underemployed. And once again I NEED to reiterate - it is not a handout to someone because YOU will also benefit, as people who make more money (the person next up on the ladder if you will) will also be paying into this to support YOU.
People - we have PUBLIC education. We have SOCIAL SECURITY. These are UNIVERSAL social programs JUST like universal healthcare. These are rights. This country is the only Western democracy that does NOT provide health care for its citizens. Doesn't that tell you something?
are you entitled SS if you do not pay into it?
You're entitled to public education if you do not pay taxes.
thanks for answering my question
But everyone who works pays social security for everyone else who works. You aren't ONLY paying for yourself.
Do you use roads? Running water? Again, these are things funded through tax dollars. Paying taxes in order to provide things that benefit everyone is actually exactly HOW a country runs effectively.
we are talking about those who do not work. AND those who do not work and do not own property do NOT pay for any of the things listed above yet they utilize them!
People who don't work use roads, too.
And like I said in another post, though there is a lot of attention paid to them, people who don't work because they are 'lazy' are a very small minority of the un or under employed. The vast majority of poor people are working poor who are under-employed or people who are looking for work, or can not work due to various medical conditions and disabilities. One of the largest groups of people who do not work right now is veterans.
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eroxgirl
My Loves
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Re: Obamacare YIKES!!!
Posted by Onemoretime
Posted by eroxgirl
I just have to point out that we already pay for people who don't work to have health care. This argument kills me because it makes NO SENSE since it shows NO UNDERSTANDING of what really goes on currently.
And not all people who do work have the option for health care - my mother didn't for FIVE YEARS. She was not less deserving of health care than some CEO. She certainly has worked hard, doing what she needed to do to make ends meet. These are the people who need to have some kind of socialized health care in place. It is unconscionable that WORKING PEOPLE have to suffer without seeing a doctor when permanently unemployed people do not.
And people have not 'survived for hundreds of generations' without healthcare. People have suffered and died young without health care.
Also, when we are afraid to speak up to the corporations and the people in power because they're bigger and have all the money, then we've already lost.
The problem is, we can't speak up to corporations. They are providing jobs, which in this economy people are grateful to have.
No, the problem is we THINK we can't speak up to the corporations and they know it. They are shipping jobs overseas faster than you can say "obamacare". They would cut thousands of employees in a minute if they thought it would increase profit margins ANYWAY. They do and they have for generations.
They avoid paying BILLIONS OF DOLLARS in taxes that would help us tremendously, but we won't speak up because we're afraid. Instead we point the finger at the poor, who even with all their handouts and free healthcare, aren't costing us nearly as much as we're losing.
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| Posted 1/10/13 3:09 PM |
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DirtyBlonde
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Re: Obamacare YIKES!!!
Posted by Xelindrya
Posted by MandJZ
No, the whole should be responsible for every individual.
Wow.. just wow.
I had a long reply but realized I'd probably burn to the stake for it. But this sentiment is just.. sad.
I have always known since I was a child that my father worked or my step mother worked FOR our insurance benefits. You get a job to pay for medical (god forbid something happens). I dont know... How silly of them to teach me that there's no free rides in this world.
Apparently there are.
ETA: I owe $375 for last year's medical and will owe at LEAST $500 for this year's medical (outside my premium payments, HRA and FSA) so I can send you my doctors address if you want pick that up.
Yes, people taking care of each other is SAD.
It's SAD, y'all.
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| Posted 1/10/13 3:09 PM |
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Re: Obamacare YIKES!!!
Posted by maymama
are you entitled SS if you do not pay into it?
Some people are. There are survivor benefits for spouses and disability benefits for children disabled before age 22. Technically they are not paying into it but get the benefit. You know, kind of like getting your spouse and kids on your medical insurance that you happen to work for.
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| Posted 1/10/13 3:10 PM |
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headoverheels
s'il vous plaît
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Re: Obamacare YIKES!!!
Posted by DirtyBlonde
Posted by Xelindrya
Posted by MandJZ
No, the whole should be responsible for every individual.
Wow.. just wow.
I had a long reply but realized I'd probably burn to the stake for it. But this sentiment is just.. sad.
I have always known since I was a child that my father worked or my step mother worked FOR our insurance benefits. You get a job to pay for medical (god forbid something happens). I dont know... How silly of them to teach me that there's no free rides in this world.
Apparently there are.
ETA: I owe $375 for last year's medical and will owe at LEAST $500 for this year's medical (outside my premium payments, HRA and FSA) so I can send you my doctors address if you want pick that up.
Yes, people taking care of each other is SAD.
It's SAD, y'all.
This is why our country is going to hell in a handbasket. We're going backwards instead of making progress and the mindset has never been more clearly ME ME ME.
Bottom line is that we are supposedly one of the greatest nations in the world yet we do not take care of our own citizens. That is VERY sad.
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| Posted 1/10/13 3:15 PM |
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Re: Obamacare YIKES!!!
Posted by alli3131
This practice has been going on for years and is nothing new. Many companies have been keeping employees as PT to avoid benefits.
I don't blame Obama care for it.
Yes, it has, sadly. And I was talking to my HR manager about this the other day and the new law prohibits an employer from suddenly cutting an employees hours due to the 2014 mandates. It also prohibits calling an employee part time or per-diem but having them work 30 hours on a regular basis just to not pay the benfits. You can call them what you like but will have to cover them.
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| Posted 1/10/13 3:15 PM |
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DitD
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Re: Obamacare YIKES!!!
Posted by maymama
Posted by DiamondGirl
So someone give me a better solution.
This is AMERICA every citizen should have health care.
Believe me most companies can afford it. It is an expense that will just need to be factored in.
My father is a small business owner and has always provided his employees with health care. It is the decent thing to do.
this is america. a place where people have to work for what they have, not have it handed to them. I do not agree with the above statement at all.
we are all guaranteed the pursuit of happiness, not happiness. it is not the government's job to make us wealthy or poor or to DEMAND we have anything - healthcare included.
since the inception of the country, people have struggled. that is what makes the country what it is. and yet, people still want to be here, people WANT to be Americans. They come here with the money in their pockets and clothes on their backs and hope for the best. This country will fail (oh wait, it is) without that very basic foundation.
Amen!
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| Posted 1/10/13 3:18 PM |
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Xelindrya
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Re: Obamacare YIKES!!!
Posted by headoverheels
Posted by DirtyBlonde
Posted by Xelindrya
Posted by MandJZ
No, the whole should be responsible for every individual.
Wow.. just wow.
I had a long reply but realized I'd probably burn to the stake for it. But this sentiment is just.. sad.
I have always known since I was a child that my father worked or my step mother worked FOR our insurance benefits. You get a job to pay for medical (god forbid something happens). I dont know... How silly of them to teach me that there's no free rides in this world.
Apparently there are.
ETA: I owe $375 for last year's medical and will owe at LEAST $500 for this year's medical (outside my premium payments, HRA and FSA) so I can send you my doctors address if you want pick that up.
Yes, people taking care of each other is SAD.
It's SAD, y'all.
This is why our country is going to hell in a handbasket. We're going backwards instead of making progress and the mindset has never been more clearly ME ME ME.
Bottom line is that we are supposedly one of the greatest nations in the world yet we do not take care of our own citizens. That is VERY sad.
OUR citizens is one thing..
EVERY ONE is entirely different
and pardon me for thinking NOTHING In life SHOULD be free. I know some Americans may need the coverage who are just down on their luck but I KNOW there are plenty other leaches out there who have MADE this situtation the way it is by just taking the free ride. THAT is SAD! period.
And yeah so sue me I dont want to pay for an illegal alien who crossed the border JUST to come into the US to get medical free and clear. Its a rather big issue here as you (im sorry should I say as Ya'll) can imagine
difference of opinions I guess.
Message edited 1/10/2013 3:21:58 PM.
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| Posted 1/10/13 3:18 PM |
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MandJZ
Time for Baby #2!
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Re: Obamacare YIKES!!!
Posted by headoverheels
Posted by DirtyBlonde
Posted by Xelindrya
Posted by MandJZ
No, the whole should be responsible for every individual.
Wow.. just wow.
I had a long reply but realized I'd probably burn to the stake for it. But this sentiment is just.. sad.
I have always known since I was a child that my father worked or my step mother worked FOR our insurance benefits. You get a job to pay for medical (god forbid something happens). I dont know... How silly of them to teach me that there's no free rides in this world.
Apparently there are.
ETA: I owe $375 for last year's medical and will owe at LEAST $500 for this year's medical (outside my premium payments, HRA and FSA) so I can send you my doctors address if you want pick that up.
Yes, people taking care of each other is SAD.
It's SAD, y'all.
This is why our country is going to hell in a handbasket. We're going backwards instead of making progress and the mindset has never been more clearly ME ME ME.
Bottom line is that we are supposedly one of the greatest nations in the world yet we do not take care of our own citizens. That is VERY sad.
Thank you both.
Silly old me. Caring about other people.
Forget that if everyone actually believed this sentiment was 'sad' we would have NO teachers, social workers, nurses, etc. etc. etc.
And for ANYONE who thinks that nobody deserves a 'free ride' - congratulations for getting to where you are with zero help from anybody else ever in your life. You must be amazing for having built the road you drive on to your job hat you are fortunate to have right now, for pumping your water from a well, and for homeschooling yourself.
I'm thoroughly impressed.
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