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HeathKernandez
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Re: An open question to McCain supporters....
Posted by snowflake08
Posted by MrsERod
Posted by snowflake08
Posted by MrsERod
amazing
it was one of your very own mccain supporters who made this thread turn negative
not surprisingly
where?
here:
Posted by Deedlebug126
Same here, plus IM petrified to see what will happen to this great Nation once it is destroyed by Socialism
the OP clearly asked:
Which of his policies do you find most compelling? What was the deciding factor (positive about McCain, not looking for negative about Obama)
understood but wasnt that AFTER an Obama supporter's comment? I'll have to go back to page 1
nope that was the first mentioning of 'that guy'
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HeathKernandez
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Re: An open question to McCain supporters....
Posted by snowflake08
Posted by KeithHernandez
Posted by snowflake08
and so many people i ask in person about obama say "i dont know, i just want a change" or "i dont know, mccain is old"
or, "well, obama will take land that people own and put it to good use!"
or even better "well, mccain voted for the bail out"
SO DID OBAMA!!!
so you have ignorant friends... that's interesting...
i dont know what your problem is but everyone was discussing this topic in a CIVIL manner
I don't why you replied to me twice 
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snowflake08
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Re: An open question to McCain supporters....
um, i felt like writing something
do you have dandruff?? you seem to scratch your head a lot LOL
why would you say the ignorant friends comment when NO ONE was being rude to one another
it was very uncalled for
thats all
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sunnyplus3
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Re: An open question to McCain supporters....
Posted by MrsERod
Posted by KellyFG
So in other words its ok for Obama supporters to post on a thread SPECIFICALLY calling McCain supporters, but not ok for a McCain supporter to flub and make a negative comment that loosely references Obama???
Come on!!!! That is ABSURD!!!!!
Its always a double effing standard here with the cliques & all the crap.
It amazes me at times that this community is made up of so many intelligent, kind hearted, well rounded people when threads like this make us all look like idiots.
NEVER did i say it was okay. All I did was point out the fact that this thread specifically asked McCain supporters to cite positives about him, and did NOT want negative about Obama. And it was a McCain supporter who in fact, turned it negative.
ok, so in honor of equality, lets reprimand the ALL people that didn't follow the OPs instructions "McCain Supporters", not just the ones you feel like calling out.
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HoneyBadger
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Re: An open question to McCain supporters....
NM I was not the one being addressed.
Sorry!
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MrsERod
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Re: An open question to McCain supporters....
Posted by KellyFG
Posted by MrsERod
Posted by KellyFG
So in other words its ok for Obama supporters to post on a thread SPECIFICALLY calling McCain supporters, but not ok for a McCain supporter to flub and make a negative comment that loosely references Obama???
Come on!!!! That is ABSURD!!!!!
Its always a double effing standard here with the cliques & all the crap.
It amazes me at times that this community is made up of so many intelligent, kind hearted, well rounded people when threads like this make us all look like idiots.
NEVER did i say it was okay. All I did was point out the fact that this thread specifically asked McCain supporters to cite positives about him, and did NOT want negative about Obama. And it was a McCain supporter who in fact, turned it negative.
ok, so in honor of equality, lets reprimand the ALL people that didn't follow the OPs instructions "McCain Supporters", not just the ones you feel like calling out.
sure, if that'll help the mccain supporters feel better.
shame on obama supporters! how dare you intrude on a mccain only thread. shame shame shame.
p.s. - it goes both ways around here - always
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sunnyplus3
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Re: An open question to McCain supporters....
Watchdogs shouldn't be rule breakers, that's all I'm saying.
I think people should be able to say whatever they want, even if it isn't exactly what was asked for but the double standard I can't do. 
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MrsERod
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Re: An open question to McCain supporters....
Posted by KellyFG
Watchdogs shouldn't be rule breakers, that's all I'm saying.
I think people should be able to say whatever they want, even if it isn't exactly what was asked for but the double standard I can't do.
who's the watchdog? 
and there is no double standard, as indicated by the link i posted
it goes BOTH ways around here.
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Re: An open question to McCain supporters....
Posted by MrsERod
Posted by KellyFG
Watchdogs shouldn't be rule breakers, that's all I'm saying.
I think people should be able to say whatever they want, even if it isn't exactly what was asked for but the double standard I can't do.
who's the watchdog?
and there is no double standard, as indicated by the link i posted
it goes BOTH ways around here.
The watchdog is anyone that doesn't respect the request of a thread starter but then calls out others that don't. To me that is just being a $hit stirrer. As for the link, I'm not looking to go t*t for tat. It doesn't go BOTH ways with me regardless of how it goes around here. The way it goes around here is immature & absurd, rather than respecting other people that feel strongly about something *we* feel we must prove our point & knowledge to drive it home.
The double standard is jumping on the bandwagon to point out one person's mis-step while ignoring another's.
Its negative & useless & the constant links to threads from the opossing sides only fuels the fire.
There is a reason why our parents & grandparents told us not to discuss politics or religion with 'strangers' and now after almost 40 years LIF has showed me why they said that.
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MrsERod
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Re: An open question to McCain supporters....
Posted by KellyFG
Posted by MrsERod
Posted by KellyFG
Watchdogs shouldn't be rule breakers, that's all I'm saying.
I think people should be able to say whatever they want, even if it isn't exactly what was asked for but the double standard I can't do.
who's the watchdog?
and there is no double standard, as indicated by the link i posted
it goes BOTH ways around here.
The watchdog is anyone that doesn't respect the request of a thread starter but then calls out others that don't. To me that is just being a $hit stirrer. As for the link, I'm not looking to go t*t for tat. It doesn't go BOTH ways with me regardless of how it goes around here. The way it goes around here is immature & absurd, rather than respecting other people that feel strongly about something *we* feel we must prove our point & knowledge to drive it home.
The double standard is jumping on the bandwagon to point out one person's mis-step while ignoring another's.
Its negative & useless & the constant links to threads from the opossing sides only fuels the fire.
There is a reason why our parents & grandparents told us not to discuss politics or religion with 'strangers' and now after almost 40 years LIF has showed me why they said that.
well, since *I* was the one who did the calling out - then I'll take it that you're referring to me being the watchdog, and sh*t stirrer, as you put it. however, there is a flaw in your accusation. if you noticed, i did NOT DISrespect the thread starter - as a matter of fact, i found the first five responses to be very informative and POSITIVE - and i read them all with interest.
i simply corrected the many people on here who accused us obama supporters of turning this thread negative. that simply isn't the case.
sure, eventually there'll be the negative response from EITHER side. whether it be on a 'mccain only' thread, or a positive obama thread (i.e. the colin powell endorsement thread) THAT is what i meant by it goes BOTH ways. No matter how much either side would like the thread to remain free from content about the opposing candidate, it just doesn't happen that way. human nature i guess.
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bluegreen08
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Re: An open question to McCain supporters....
i wasnt going to come back to this thread but after bazillion FMs from both sides i feel like i had to.
to clarify:
1. yes, i am an obama supporter
2. yes, i wanted to actually hear positive things from mccain supporters rather than just attacks on obama bc i enjoy discussing politics and was interested to hear the other side
3. no, i didnt mean that only mccain supporters should post here and obama supporters cannot
4. yes, i wanted the convo to focus on mccain and not obama
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My4GirlsMyLife
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Re: An open question to McCain supporters....
Posted by christys0925
Posted by snowflake08
There was NEVER a thought in my mind about switching as I've said numerous times. I was never undecided -so there was no deciding factor. I was not going to vote at all in this election because i didnt like either candidate. However, I have grown to be opposed to everything that Obama stands for.
1. If we have to live on a budget - so should the gov't (his words)
2. His military experience and loyalty to his country and having been a POW
3. His support of Israel which is important to me.
4. The fact that he has fought Bush and congress on many issues and is not afraid to stand up for what he believes in; even if it goes against the majority.
5. I DO NOT like his health care plan, but not really sure if would have an effect on me anyway and i AM Pro-Choice, though I am NOT pro abortion.
I agree with this except the abortion. I am pro-life 100%
Ditto !!
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Re: An open question to McCain supporters....
Posted by ChilisWife
Posted by KeithHernandez
Posted by Deedlebug126
Posted by JRD2008
Posted by ChilisWife
 very well said...I agree with this word for word. Except...I am pro life.
Same here, plus IM petrified to see what will happen to this great Nation once it is destroyed by Socialism
that would never happen... we have a congress and a Senate you know...
I am no longer so sure that I can trust Congress with ANYTHING as they have proven themselves (both parties) to be quite incompetent and corrupt.
Plus, even one little creep into socialism starts the domino effect. Socialism leads to communism. I want my kids and grandkids to know why this country is (was) so great.
Whoooaaaa - what is this, the 50's???? 
I know nothing, and I know a bit about checks and balances
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GioiaMia
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Re: An open question to McCain supporters....
I just wanted to say that I have my reasons too but due to my job I can't really be so specific at work - so when I get home (if this thread is still here) I would love to explain my reasons! I think this thread had good intentions - but you know what they say about those  
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sunnyplus3
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Re: An open question to McCain supporters....
Posted by MrsERod
well, since *I* was the one who did the calling out - then I'll take it that you're referring to me being the watchdog, and sh*t stirrer, as you put it. however, there is a flaw in your accusation. if you noticed, i did NOT DISrespect the thread starter - as a matter of fact, i found the first five responses to be very informative and POSITIVE - and i read them all with interest.
i simply corrected the many people on here who accused us obama supporters of turning this thread negative. that simply isn't the case.
sure, eventually there'll be the negative response from EITHER side. whether it be on a 'mccain only' thread, or a positive obama thread (i.e. the colin powell endorsement thread) THAT is what i meant by it goes BOTH ways. No matter how much either side would like the thread to remain free from content about the opposing candidate, it just doesn't happen that way. human nature i guess.
No, you were not the first non-McCain fan on this thread to correct or make a McCain supporter feel like they need to justify their answers. I think the concept that Americans are looking for our corrupt government to change, yet we can't rise above our own inclination to participate in bad behavior is proof that we are more alike than most people here would like to admit.
Still I see NO point in jumping on that bandwagon to call people out or as I've said previously make people feel like they need to provide facts. That is something we don't even require from the very people we are supporting to run this country. Our ability to respect one anothers opinions, even if they seem wrong or based on inaccurate info is so low.
I think if everyone would just calm down & read the threads trying to see with an open mind that this is what democracy is. There are people is less educated areas that WILL vote based on the wrong info ( as has been expoited on radio & tv). That doesn't make it our god given right to try to change their minds, and if people feel SO strongly about getting the message out there, join the campaign.
I was a member of a major party & very involved with campaigns local & federal for many years. IMO, this is not the right forum to try to convince people to change their mind or make them feel inferior for having a different point of view.
I do however believe that sharing ideas, perspectives & info is hugely important. Now if we could just learn to respect our differences & natural human error we would truly be on to something.
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rojerono
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Re: An open question to McCain supporters....
IF I were to vote for McCain - and I am not saying I will - the major reason would probably be that he is the candidate who could likely do the least damage. His policies would have to be extremely moderate in order to get through a heavily democratic congress and house.
I also trust someone who knows John McCain personally and based on what I have been told I truly believe that John McCain has the best interests of the US at heart - even when creating policy that I don't personally ascribe to. I don't mean that he has more allegiance than Obama.. I mean that I honestly believe his motivations are good.
Having said that.. I still don't know who I will vote for. There are compelling reasons to vote for Obama as well.
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ThePinkGoose
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Re: An open question to McCain supporters....
Rushed at work but some of the reasons I am voting McCain....
His views on Abortion
He won't throw away our years of work in the middle east
He'll continue to fight terror and keep America safe
Has enough military experience to be commander-in-chief
He believes it's the right of every law abiding citizen to keep and bear arms
Border Security
Much more I will elaborate later when I have more time. This is a good topic but getting way off track. Relax ladies...everyone is entitled to their opinion or remark, this is America, remember?? No need to attack anyone based on their opinion or because "that's the way it is around here." It is any way we want it to be, i'm so sick of all these cliques. Grow up.
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Diane
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Re: An open question to McCain supporters....
Posted by KellyFG
I don't really identify with either of the major parties, I believe I'm more of a libertarian. I'm supporting Sen McCain because I feel he will
1) never take away my right to bear arms
2) always demand respect and honor for our troops and keep America safe
3)keep federal government small, we have too many layers of government & I don't need or want big brother to make every choice in life for me
4)I believe he will always encourage bipartisan efforts to improve our country-I'm confident he will NOT be a puppet for his party, he's already proven that.
5)Senator McCain understands that we need small business growth & job development
6) his expectations of most people needing to be responsible & accountable for their own finances & decisions is exactly how I feel
7) I think any 70+ year old man that can keep the same scheduale as a man in his 40's is in excellent physical & mental health.
8) although I don't believe in everything his party stands for, I do believe he is one of the most dedicated patriots that has been involved in politics in our lifetime.
9) see my avatar
I truly believe that if McCain is not elected our country is going to spiral downward to a place we've never been that will forever 'CHANGE' the fabric of our country.....and NOT in good way.
well said
Going back to the original topic.....we seem to have gone off topic.
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snowflake08
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Re: An open question to McCain supporters....
Posted by MrsERod
Posted by KellyFG
Posted by MrsERod
Posted by KellyFG
Watchdogs shouldn't be rule breakers, that's all I'm saying.
I think people should be able to say whatever they want, even if it isn't exactly what was asked for but the double standard I can't do.
who's the watchdog?
and there is no double standard, as indicated by the link i posted
it goes BOTH ways around here.
The watchdog is anyone that doesn't respect the request of a thread starter but then calls out others that don't. To me that is just being a $hit stirrer. As for the link, I'm not looking to go t*t for tat. It doesn't go BOTH ways with me regardless of how it goes around here. The way it goes around here is immature & absurd, rather than respecting other people that feel strongly about something *we* feel we must prove our point & knowledge to drive it home.
The double standard is jumping on the bandwagon to point out one person's mis-step while ignoring another's.
Its negative & useless & the constant links to threads from the opossing sides only fuels the fire.
There is a reason why our parents & grandparents told us not to discuss politics or religion with 'strangers' and now after almost 40 years LIF has showed me why they said that.
well, since *I* was the one who did the calling out - then I'll take it that you're referring to me being the watchdog, and sh*t stirrer, as you put it. however, there is a flaw in your accusation. if you noticed, i did NOT DISrespect the thread starter - as a matter of fact, i found the first five responses to be very informative and POSITIVE - and i read them all with interest.
i simply corrected the many people on here who accused us obama supporters of turning this thread negative. that simply isn't the case.
sure, eventually there'll be the negative response from EITHER side. whether it be on a 'mccain only' thread, or a positive obama thread (i.e. the colin powell endorsement thread) THAT is what i meant by it goes BOTH ways. No matter how much either side would like the thread to remain free from content about the opposing candidate, it just doesn't happen that way. human nature i guess.
why would the colin powell thread be a positive obama thread - i mean, why cant everyone respond to it??
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Luv2bAmom
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Re: An open question to McCain supporters....
Posted by Deedlebug126
Posted by snowflake08
Posted by bluegreen08
This thread is just inforcing my beliefs that McCain supporters have a hard time talking positive about McCain and will eventually end up making it all about Obama.....
I was hoping you would prove me wrong 
we all gave our reasons
Yeah seriously, sorry if you have to compare a little to prove a point. A lot of us are Democrats who for the first time in our voting lives have to change parties and we need to use that comparison to explain why.
Deedlebug126 you out of all people, are a aperson that turned a postive thread last week into a negative one.
Because you were incapable of saying ONE positive thing about the cadidate you are not voting for.
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HoneyBadger
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Re: An open question to McCain supporters....
Posted by snowflake08
why would the colin powell thread be a positive obama thread - i mean, why cant everyone respond to it??
The Colin Powell thread was a positive Obama thread b/c CP is a prominent republican who is endoursing Obama.
I think the hope of Obama supporters is that this will help persuede undecided republican voters to vote for Obama.
As for who can post on it, that's not even up for debate, everyone should have felt welcome to chime in.
I think it was referred to as an example of a thread that was posted in a positive manner that turned negative, that's all.
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MrsERod
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Re: An open question to McCain supporters....
Posted by snowflake08
why would the colin powell thread be a positive obama thread - i mean, why cant everyone respond to it??
flake, who said that only certain people could respond to it??
it was a positive obama thread because a well known republican has decided to endorse him...that speaks volumes IMO.
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evnme
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Re: An open question to McCain supporters....
wow... this thread is still going on....
it has spun out of control my friends.
i support mccain because i want there to be competition amongst insurance companies to decrease premiums and copays. socialized medicine doesnt work--people from canada, england, etc come to america to have procedures done because the wait list is too long in their own countries.
he will be giving a 5k tax credit per person- not per household if you choose not to take your employer's health insurance.
he will not tax employers who provide health ins.
47 million americans do not have health insurance--9 million of them are illegal immigrants that we as taxpayers are paying for, 13 million are people that make enough to pay for atleast a basic plan, but choose not to get health insurance, so the rest of us end up paying for their health insurance.
socialized medicine will bankrupt the government--the quality of doctors and of healthcare will go way down and i cannot accept that. take what recently happened in hawaii after only 7 months of providing gov't health care for children only as an example of what will happen under socialized medicine--it bankrupted the state!
extrapolate that as to what would happen to the entire country for all citizens and illegal immigrants we have to pay for as well.
i support mccain because i want to keep as much of my paycheck as possible--i work hard for my money and want to use it to make my life better--not to support everyone else. i am not willing to make the sacrifices obama always talks about, i do not want to spread the wealth. that is not the american way, that is not the american dream--that is not capitalism--that is socialism.
the only places i differ w/ mccain is that i am pro-choice and i support gay marriage.
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Deedlebugs
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Re: An open question to McCain supporters....
Posted by Luv2bAmom
Posted by Deedlebug126
Posted by snowflake08
Posted by bluegreen08
This thread is just inforcing my beliefs that McCain supporters have a hard time talking positive about McCain and will eventually end up making it all about Obama.....
I was hoping you would prove me wrong
we all gave our reasons
Yeah seriously, sorry if you have to compare a little to prove a point. A lot of us are Democrats who for the first time in our voting lives have to change parties and we need to use that comparison to explain why.
Deedlebug126 you out of all people, are a aperson that turned a postive thread last week into a negative one.
Because you were incapable of saying ONE positive thing about the cadidate you are not voting for.
And here we go again, as I explained last week, what I said about Obama, to me was positive, you might disagree, awesome for you, but it was positive to me, no one said I had to get approval first to see if Luv2bAmom thinks its good enough.
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Deedlebugs
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Re: An open question to McCain supporters....
Posted by MrsERod
Posted by snowflake08
Posted by MrsERod
amazing
it was one of your very own mccain supporters who made this thread turn negative
not surprisingly
where?
here:
Posted by Deedlebug126
Same here, plus IM petrified to see what will happen to this great Nation once it is destroyed by Socialism
the OP clearly asked:
Which of his policies do you find most compelling? What was the deciding factor (positive about McCain, not looking for negative about Obama)
I didnt mention Obama, I mentioned an issue, so sorry that you correlate that to "bashing" Obama. I wish Obama supporters would spend this much time researching these topics instead of defending them and making those who bring them up out of concern for our Country, bad people.
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